The 1pt smiter guide to Uber Tristram v 1.0.

I hope this isn't considered bumping because I have another question.

First, it would be nice if someone can point me to some zeal/smite breakpoints.

I used the redeemer with Cat's Eye (20 IAS), lvl 22 Fanaitcism (36 IAS, IIRC).
I shaeled the Redeemer, but I don't really notice a difference in attack speed.
Also, i have some 20 IAS gloves available, and I want to know if i should use them instead of the Blood Gloves I have now (9% CB, I also use Gores).

The 20 IAS gloves options are rather poor for me right now, and they might be replaced with Dracul's.

So what would be the zeal/smite BP's for the Redeemer and if possible for the Lightsabre! (redeemer costs a lot to repair!!!)
 
You need 54IAS with the lvl22 fanat for 6frames smite with redeemer. So you should see difference with 20ias gloves. With zeal it's 60ias for 4frames so the 20ias gloves should be put to use. Can I suggest highlords instead of cat's eye and like better crafted blood 20ias glove...?

easy to use weapon speed calculator http://diablo2.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english
 
sweetalmonds said:
You need 54IAS with the lvl22 fanat for 6frames smite with redeemer. So you should see difference with 20ias gloves. With zeal it's 60ias for 4frames so the 20ias gloves should be put to use. Can I suggest highlords instead of cat's eye and like better crafted blood 20ias glove...?

easy to use weapon speed calculator http://diablo2.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english
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Thanks for the link and Info!

From the calculator i see that there is no Difference between 10 IAS and 50 IAS with the Redeemer. 10 IAS is a 5 frame zeal attack, and 50 IAS is also 5 frames with zeal. I will use one of the gloves I have until I get to Roll some blood gloves with 20 IAS.

As for Highlords... I don't have it, and I really don't see the advantage over Cat's Eye...:undecided:

Cat's eye:

30% Faster Run/Walk (very nice to have!)
20% Increased Attack Speed (main use)
+100 Defense (nice, boosted by holy shield)
+100 Defense vs. Missile (same as above)
+25 to Dexterity (very nice for CTB, more to life -> 75 HP)

Highlords:

Lightning Resist +35 (not needed)
Adds 1-30 Lightning Damage (not needed, doesn't work with smite)
20% Increased Attack Speed (same as Cat's eye)
+1 to All Skills (nice, but not required)
+0.375% Deadly Strike (Per clvl) (doesn't work with smite, I have Gores)
Attacker Takes Lightning Damage of 15 (not needed)

So I tend to say that Cat's eye is actually much better than Highlords.
I also have Tgods (for the lightning resist part)

Edit: Also I found something strange about the IAS that fanaticism gives. Apparently it applies after all IAS from items... or how does it work? Cause 60IAS from items and lvl 22 Fana (about 35 IAS) gives 200 Total IAS... how does the formula work?


 
Fanat's IAS works differently than normal item IAS. It is simply better. (For detailed information, there are some threads somewhere describing about it, but I am not going to attempt to search for them now.)

I agree Highlord's better. I mean, you are not only ubering 24/7. Outside of ubering, ~30% deadly strike is all that is needed to convince me that highlord's better. Besides, extra light resist is always nice to have, which defense is absolutely useless.
 
AnimeCraze said:
which defense is absolutely useless.
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You don't say. My Smiter has around 24k defense (with Chilling Armor procced, and HS of course), and it is noticeable how seldom most enemies can land a hit on me. I mean, having listed that a Pit Lord has some 16-20% chance to hit you (an example, not real numbers) is really satisfying. However, I'd still agree that 35% Light Res and ~30% DS when zealing is somewhat better than the FRW and the defense. Although the Dex on Cat's Eye is nice... I still prefer Metalgrid, however, but that's maybe because I don't need IAS.



 
I realized something while building my own ubertrist 1 pointer:

Many of the best weapons and shields are from Ladder. I don't do Ladder, period. What are some suggestions for us Realm guys? Or just forget it?
 
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Any ladder-only item is available in non-ladder - for a price. Grief, for instance, costs 5hrs or more on Eur NL. I bought a Griffs for about 20 hrs the other week, not perf. However, some people don't know what items are ladder-only and you can get them cheap - I got a Reaper's Toll for next to nothing a little while back.

Anyway, if you're wanting to run ubers, it'll be Grief you're after, but you don't need it. There are plenty of alternatives that'll get the job done, so long as you're ticking the usual boxes (resists, lifetap, crushing blow, fast smite).
 
Regarding my gear setup... I got Drac's.... finally! They are awesome, mu Rogue merc can now hold her own on several occasions.

The rest of my gear is pretty standard: Kyra, 4PDshield, Gores, Tgods, Dwarf start 10res all, 7 life steal ring, Cats eye, Gris w/ 3 PRuby(still working on duress - need good 3 os armor)

My weapon is the Shaeled redeemer. The problem is the IAS. I need 20% more IAS, and putting a jewel in Kyra is not enough!

Where can I get the extra IAS (most of the gear is really not replace-able) is there a ring with IAS?

Thanks
 
If I put jewel in Kyra I get smite to the last BP, but Zeal will still be at the same speed.

If I use Duress or CoH or any other suitable Rune word armor, I cant socket the armor. Also, I'd rather keep the shield as 4PD.

Right now I'm using Gris, and I got a couple Gris on mules, so I could just take a Gris and put 2 x 15 IAS jewels and see how it works. The Kyra is already socketed with a PRuby, and I don't really have hel's to spare.

Goldwrap vs Tgods.... max zeal speed vs 20 life 20 light absorb 10 max light resist.... (I hate the CtC FoH!)

I think I'll stick to Tgods.

I also have Nosferatu's btw (another belt with 10 IAS).

HOWEVER: I will probably be using Duress soon... should I put IAS in 44 res@ akaran targe?

EDIT: or maybe forget about last zeal BP and put 15 IAS in Kyra, this should work until I get a Grief (some time in the future)
 
couldn't edit but i have one more question:

Why do I have to uber alone?
Can't I get some friends (a pally with salvation/defiance on switch), a sorc/zon (for PI?), a Barb for huge BO and Shout?

Is it really going to be harder with a party than alone?

(keep in mind I've never been in there... any PI's? whats the monsters immunities like (%-wise)?)
 
Many just like to do it solo to avoid splitting the spoils of war with anyone else. Also, when there are 4+ players in the game, ubering becomes considerably harder/slower.
 
Even with 2 players in the same game, it becomes noticeably slower if one of you isn't pulling their weight. The main reason, though, is that only one torch drops, and since uber trist can be run extremely easily with only one player, there's no reason to include anyone else.

There are a few PIs spawned, but you don't need to kill them (they don't give you XP). Just kill mephi and his minions (not PI), then kill Ball and Diablo, then pick up the torch and save and exit ASAP to prevent Connection Interrupted.
 
Last night I had my first Uber Tristram experience!
It was fun, but some things I didn't really expect!

So... i worked with a couple friends to get the keys and we decided to uber together, I don't really care about the torch or spoils of war, and we are all good friends (and none have torches for our char class) so we decided pretty much what to do with the torch before we even got it.

So I used my rather crappy setup on a very well built paladin:
3PRuby Gris, Redeemer, 4PD heraldic shield(31 def, 116 res all), Kyra (15IAS), cats eye, Tgods, Dracs, Gores, Dwarf start, 6%mana steal 10 res@ rare ring, and a necro torch (:wink3:)

The other pally had worse gear: lightsabre, guardian angel, tals helm, other crappy gear.

The 3rd guy in the party had a blizz/chain light sorc... just for the heck of it :D

Part 1: Forgotten sands:
The big surprise here was... those swarms... Physically immune! Surprise! We didn't expect that, we couldn't kill them, Duriel pops out of nowehere, my 2 friends die, we needed a plan. So I ask them to life tap duriel with the wand, and i'll take him. We did that, I was mobbed, but I killed duriel (in several minutes - 3-4 mins i guess)

Part 2: Lillith
bad... terrible, we all died several times :tongue: especially when Lillith was surrounded by succubus, one of them was a unique with conviction aura, and cursed. The Dracs were not helpful at the beginning, i had to had a friend cast life tap when i was going in. But even like that (with 1200 HP) I was cursed, and killed. We eventually did it!

Part 3: Izual
Minor problems... 1 death for me due to iron maiden. And one of the biggest surprises: All Immune Venom Lords! (the 2nd monster hdins can't kill). Izual himself was easy (for me only) the other 2 guys couldn't really approach him - he was killing the sorc from a distance - wth?

Last part: Tristram

So we decided to open the portal... we go in and surprise: nobody home! What did we do wrong??? we ran all around tristram trying to find the denizens of hell along with the 3 ubers... nobody but us in there.... untill... Baal pops out of nowhere! and of course he tele's...
We started to have major problems... my friends just couldn't survive for more than 30 seconds, they died and lost all money... i was alone in there fighting Baal, and eventually I died....

Then another friend of ours comes (barb), he is very rich, and gave me:
+390 dmg Grief Phase Blade
Dusk Shroud fortitude
Phoenix Monarch
Anni

Then he BO's and Shout all of us and we go in!
After a couple disconnects (due to so many firestorms and other effects) we decide to leave the torches in stash (only 2 of use had torches), and we managed to kill Baal.

With the new Phoenix monarch my resists were pretty bad (not max in town).
Then Mephisto comes! I ask the other pally to run salvation, but not a chance! everyone was dieing like crazy! It was complete suicide!
Life expectancy in Tristram was <5 seconds!

What to do, what to do? Then the idea came to me: my old 31 defense heraldic shield with 116 resist all!
I put it on, and guess what: I tank mephisto in one of the houses, with Diablo being outside the house and killing my friends! Yes 2 ubers on the same screen!

After Meph was dead, I had trouble findind diablo (his skin was black). But when i found him, he was easy to take down (for me, my friends were still dieing - except the barb that had some godly gear)

Anyhow... the torch was a 13/16 pally torch, and went to the pally - simple!


Now after this long story of mine, there are some conclusions:
- an elemental ally can help in duriel's
- a ranged attacked can help in Izual's
- a friend can can help in Lillith's

For Tristram:
- you're better off keeping fana on and stacked resists rather then using salvation!
- The best shield is the one that has the most resists, no doubt!
- do not use a torch (unless u are a caster!)
- have another friend in the game, it's normal to die in there :grin:


Now just a question... did I survive because of the higher leech of grief or the redeemer leech is enough? Damage wise.... idk, I went in Blood moor with the Grief and took 3 smites to kill a zombie...:shocked:
with the Redeemer it takes about... 6-10 maybe.... so no big difference...

In the end... Ubering is lots of fun! (Not for the torch, but for the experience!)
 
Err... you can kill Pit Lords, they are Demons, and BH ignores demon immunities... At least, my Hammerdin could kill them.

As for who can help... A smiter/hammerdin combo works really well in Uber Trist, as well as all the miniubers. Duriel is usually right next to the portal, however, for Izu and Lilith, it's best to find someone who can teleport through the dungeons, and clear out monsters around the miniuber, while the smiter... err... smites.

In Uber Trist, Hdin can take care of all the minions (yes, even PI's and Pit Lords!), while Smiter does the dirty work.
 
I agree with your combo!

The hdin can kill everything, but the ubers will create some issues, so the combo works perfectly.

The thing is my only friends that have hdins are real n00bs that wait for someone to give them enigma so they got rushed to lvl 88 or so and cant use any items cause they dont have str (enigma will give that)

I told them that nobody is gonna give then enigma for free just like that, and that they can use other decent alternatives.... but hey... they didnt play the game, they don't know how ofter runes drop, they even thing ith is a HR (since its needed for enigma).


Since i tend to dislike hdins.... (especially the ones that tele), how about a bowazon with buriza or something? With Fana and multiple shot, it would work agains minions maybe? or a bone necro?
 
Honestly, there's only a few builds I would like to partner with my in trist.
1) Hammerdin. Actually, my friend and I often run trist with 2x hammerdin. I switch to smite gear and use salvation, my friend keeps caster gear and conc active. He hammer minions, I smite. Ubers die relatively fast, and it was safe. Mini ubers + minions die even faster (including the pit lords). For sheer laziness, I even run sanctuary vs Baal so that it knocks the undeads back.
2) Barb. BO ftw. I actually don't care about what else the barb can do, really.
3) Bowazon, for clearing Izual's place. I heard hit causes monster to flee works well too for ubers.
4) Necro, preferably summon, for casting terror + life-tap. Enigma is a must for not lurking all 3 out, unless your char is godly enough to tank all 3. If that is not possible, the necro should simply cast bone armor (if he has it), terror, and life-tap, and just sit back + relax.

For running salvation or not, I say 7 frame smite is acceptable, 8 frame is probably not (definitely no slower). I can attain 7 frame with a grief PB easily (and with a heaven's light last ladder too). That goes if you are using redeemer as well, as redeemer leaches more than heaven's light. (which was what I used early last ladder)

Phoenix is THE WORST shield for ubering. From what I heard, the firestorm interrupts you, so you die.

For the mini ubers, why not lure them out? Their stupidly aggressive AI will make them chase you down away from their minions, and you can easily kill them.

Anyways, congrads on your torch.
 
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For uber trist itself, you want to cut out any chars who aren't really, pro-actively useful (example: blizz/CL sorc), because every additional person makes each uber significantly tougher - especially if your gear isn't perfect. I reckon if you'd done it on your own and followed the tried and true method of sneaking Mephi out first you'd have been much better off:

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(please excuse my awful paint skills, also, IMG tags not working?)

Obviously this is top-down instead of isometric, but you should get the idea. The red blob is Mephi, the other two are Baal and Diablo. When you cross the dotted line on the left, Mephi will notice you and attack. I've done this over 100 times and neither of the other two have ever noticed me before Mephisto has. So, Salvation/prebuff fade/seriously stack resists, draw Mephi out from the left, and namelock him as soon as he's away from the center of town. From there on it's easy street.
 
Thanks for all your valuable feedback!

Sanctuary and bowazon with HCMF sound very interesting.

BO made absolutely no difference. Just to make a point here I always died with BO, and when i put my crappy shield with huge resists, I dint have BO and I killed all three ubers (I was killing Meph with Diablo looking at me - there was a wall in between though)

Necro is only useful if you dont have a life tap want to give to your "other friend". I don't really like summons. As for terror... a wand works reasonably well I suppose.

Even though my friend gave me the Phoenix, it didnt take long for me to realize how bad it was, we all got DC a couple times. (same goes for using a Torch in melee)

I reached the 7 frame smite (Shael redeemer - 20 IAS, 20 IAS from Ammy, 15 IAS from helm => 55 IAS with lvl 21-22 Fana), zealing was not as fast, but worked.

As far as buffing and salvation... idk... I didnt use them to kill meph I just used salvation to get close to him, but once i connected and got Life tap on, i switched to Fana.

But our first surprise was:
when we entered tristram we didn't see anyone! We made a tour (avoiding down-town) and found nobody, then Baal poped up near some corner.
This was the first time for me though... when I'll have the experience of 100 times (and 100 torches :laugh:) I'll see thing differently. I think next time I'm gonna go alone and maybe have one more friend keep the game alive and cast life tap for me)

Thanks for all your help though! Without you guys pointing out the most important things for ubering i would have probably wasted the keys!
 
BO will make a difference - if you're going against Mephi without close to maxed resists under his Conviction, a decent level BO might make the difference between survival and a 1-hit KO. I don't really like to see my lifebar move anywhere past the halfway mark when I run uber trist, it's usually a sign I've forgotten something important like swapping Treachery back out for my Duress, or putting on Salvation, or I'm smiting with cta + Spirit, or whatever. These things happen. But yeah, BO can't hurt and may make a difference. Given the low level BO (minimal +skills) it's wise to cast before each encounter. I tend to take Diablo and Baal at the same time, so once before Mephi and once before those two.
 
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