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aznpwner

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Speeder Barb

In your opinion, do speeder barbs actually own? I am planning on making a scythe speeder, cuz of the grim scythe I found. In everyone's experience, are they actually good? Me and Fred are making nightmare duelers and it would be cool for everyone's feedback. And Fred, it would be great if you could write up a build guide....
 
aznpwner said:
In your opinion, do speeder barbs actually own? I am planning on making a scythe speeder, cuz of the grim scythe I found. In everyone's experience, are they actually good? Me and Fred are making nightmare duelers and it would be cool for everyone's feedback. And Fred, it would be great if you could write up a build guide....
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There is a speeder guide by thecerebus but it is a poor mans guide

Hawk
weapon
30 r/w res boots
14 inc speed after + skills
fhr resist helm, belt, res gloves
res ar rings
+barb res ammy

Get fast, get resists, get a hurty stick. simple. You know how to make barbs









Fred
 
personally.. i think 2 handed speeders suck.. this is just my opinion.. there is no right or wrong character, everyone builds them how they like.. but from watching some duel games, the only couple speeders i have seen were good were the ones loaded with 25 sojs worth of gear ^_^
 
Speeders are great. You could use the scythe you found, but it doesn't allow much versatility. What I mean is that you can't switch to a one-handed weapon and shield if you need extra resists or if one of those silly little bh bvbs won't stop bugging you and needs to be taught a lesson.

This season I have an axe speeder. I have a nice ancient axe and naga. I use the ancient against most chars, that is sorcs, necros, pallys, and zons. For other barbs I throw on a twitch, angelics, swordback, and gtoes.

My barb does pretty well. There isn't really anyone that he can't kill consistently.

You don't need a guide for a speeder, its all common sense. Max ww, mastery, and bo, get speed to 40%, and get resists where you need.
 
Scythes, Swords, and Lances are nice for BvS because of the added AR from dexterity, which also is nice for Trav barbs. Angelics are useless for BvS, but useful for BvA when you need to hit certain chars (other barbs, def hdins)

I'll help you with some of the build, and I have some nice speeder gear I didn't use on mine.
 
Using 2X nagas can be very effective, less damage than an ancient axe, but it stuns really well and can be used to triangle ww.

I prefer 2X naga on BvC and Anc axe//Lance on speeder








Fred
 
correct me if i'm wrong, but hawkmail actually makes you slower:

it's a heavy or medium armor, either case it slows u down, ur better off with twitch or blinkbat, i'm sure theres more options as well

if you want a really fast char, your best option is this:

30 run boots
3-4 parts of irathas
10 from blinkbat

1-20 pts in increased speed

and to be truely speedy: u need 2 weapons and frenzy

(NOW THATS A FUN CHAR!!)
 
JEstevam said:
correct me if i'm wrong, but hawkmail actually makes you slower:

it's a heavy or medium armor, either case it slows u down, ur better off with twitch or blinkbat, i'm sure theres more options as well

if you want a really fast char, your best option is this:

30 run boots
3-4 parts of irathas
10 from blinkbat

1-20 pts in increased speed

and to be truely speedy: u need 2 weapons and frenzy

(NOW THATS A FUN CHAR!!)
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It actually doesnt effect your r/w at all, although blinkbats does. It slows you by 10%, but it also has 10% r/w on it so it evens out.

Lvl 14 inc speed (40%) is the best number to shoot for. Lvl 20+ is like 43%

Frenzy owns =D But if its not pvp you'll find the r/w too much to deal with

You want 90% cr stacked ~130+ deep, but if you cant reach 90% cr after cold mastery, you may as well go with deaths sash + Rare armour (or bbat)







Fred
 
fredsta54 said:
It actually doesnt effect your r/w at all
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Actually it does slow you a little bit, albiet minisculey. It has to do with effective RW from items and blah blah blah, go look it up either in the barb forum or on the Strategy Compendium. Sorry for being so lazy, but I know the answer is there.

With that being said, you are, IMHO, better off with a hawkmail. Yes, ok, you lose ~2 EFRW, and are way slower than with blinks, but its not ALL about speed. Its also about survivability. You are not going to catch a sorc b/c you are fast, you are going to catch her because she screwed up. Also, hawk is nice because it ups your max res, with giving 15%, and CBF.

That is all.
 
lCE said:
I believe scale mail is considered a medium armor in classic not a heavy as it is in xpac.
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Where did you get this information? The only things that I can find are saying that it is a heavy armor. Atma has info on items from 1.07, when was LOD released? According to Atma, in 1.07 (and ever since) scale mail is heavy armor.
 
fredsta54 said:
Using 2X nagas can be very effective, less damage, but it stuns really well and can be used to triangle ww.
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meaning it takes at least 3 ww's to kill something? :wink:
 
magnet said:
meaning it takes at least 3 ww's to kill something? :wink:
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No, triangle ww'ing is a technique most use against caster builds. Basically just form a triangle around your opponent as you ww. Sounds simple, but it is actually kinda tricky to do it well consistently.
 
WhiteLightning said:
Where did you get this information? The only things that I can find are saying that it is a heavy armor. Atma has info on items from 1.07, when was LOD released? According to Atma, in 1.07 (and ever since) scale mail is heavy armor.
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While it is considered Heavy and is supposed to take 10% off FRW, don't forget that it also ADDS 10% FRW.

- Akukami
 
Akukami said:
While it is considered Heavy and is supposed to take 10% off FRW, don't forget that it also ADDS 10% FRW.

- Akukami
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Well, it takes off 10% effective run/walk, and adds 10% run/walk.

10% faster run/walk from items does NOT equal 10% effective faster run/walk

The formulae for computing actual run/walk speed is:

Facts & Formulae Archive said:
FinalWalkSpeed = BaseWalkSpeed *(1 + skillFRW/100 + [itemFRW*150/(itemFRW + 150)]/100 + armourRed/100)

FinalRunSpeed = BaseRunSpeed+BaseWalkSpeed *(skillFRW/100 +[itemsFRW*150/(itemFRW+150)]/100 + armourRed/100)

BaseWalkSpeed - Value obtained from above table (4)
BaseRunSpeed - Value obtained from above table (6)
skillFRW - Faster Run/Walk from skills
itemFRW - Faster Run/Walk from items
armourRed - Total reduction (negative number) from armour and/or shield. (-5) for medium shields/armours, (-10) for heavy shields/armours.

The minimum cap on run/walk is 1 yard/s.

If FinalSpeed < 1
then FinalSpeed = 1
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So for a character with 0 frw from skills and only equiped with a hawkmail with have a run speed of 5.99375 yards/s. The same character with no items on at all would run at a speed of 6.0 yards/s.

I know what you are thinking; no one could possibly tell the difference between the two, and you are right. But consider this:

Barbabrian
40 frw from inc speed
20 frw from irathas
30 frw from boots

1) Barbarian has on hawmail
run speed = 8.9 yards/s

2) Barbarian has on no armor
run speed = 9.1 yards/s

3) Barbarian has on Blinkbats
run speed = 9.3 yards/s

Well the moral of the story is that hawkmail does actually slow you down. How much depends on how much frw you have from other items.

Edit: This is assuming that scale mail is heavy armor, I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise.
 
WhiteLightning said:
No, triangle ww'ing is a technique most use against caster builds. Basically just form a triangle around your opponent as you ww. Sounds simple, but it is actually kinda tricky to do it well consistently.
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heh.

i think you missed the joke...

you would have to ww at least three times to do a 'triange ww', by definition. yea?

i'd rather just ww them once, personally.
 
magnet said:
heh.

i think you missed the joke...

you would have to ww at least three times to do a 'triange ww', by definition. yea?

i'd rather just ww them once, personally.
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Usually your opponent will not die in 1 ww from a speeder... unless their a noob.

And no it doesnt mean it takes 3 ww's to kill them, some will die faster, but even those who can tank even 2h speeders will not be able to do anything from a good triangle ww assault, as they will most likely be in fhr + fbr lock due to 2X nagas hitting a LOT

Hell, last season my cleg bvb with 2X clegs swords killed some lvl 93 EVIL sorc quickly with triangle ww... and thats with range 1 + knockback :D









Fred
 
i was thinking of making an uber speeder, with a -30 exe, swordback shield, sick AR, etc, now that' s a dueler, throw on some crushing blow and leech and GG
 
JEstevam said:
i was thinking of making an uber speeder, with a -30 exe, swordback shield, sick AR, etc, now that' s a dueler, throw on some crushing blow and leech and GG
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Yes, go make that char. Let me know if you ever want to duel with him. I will have some fun.

Remember, you want to get the absolute maximum leech possible.
 
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