Smite:::Melee or not?

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Smite:::Melee or not?

I have a smiter who pretty much beats any melee character you throw at it...and all i get after I beat some1 is: "Smite's not melee..." "smite is cheap" "smite is ***" and etc etc etc......BUT, how is it not melee if you die from IM? How is it not melee if you use IAS not FCR to make it att faster??

IS SMITE MELEE OR NOT?
 
smite is not melee simply because it has no ar, the fact that it has stun and knockback does not help its cause......

same with charged strike, in my mind and lots of other peoples a attack with no ar = not melee
 
no, not only does it not need ar, it cant be blocked by any other melee char(well maybe assasin can) as well so it is generally considered by most not melee
 
Melee is a (hand to hand) combat. melee requires CLOSE QUARTERS combat to deal dmg... therefore charge, ww, smite, zeal, dragonflight requires CLOSE QUARTERS combat to deal dmg... so in the game... maximum range of melee is 5 when using spears... but most melee combats take place is within the range between 1-3( daggers, swords maces axe shieldbashes aka smite) USING WEAPONS IS WITHIN RANGE OF 1-5 IS MELEE.. projectiles r considered nonmelee (bow, throwing wepons,) and casters is using no wepons to deal dmg such as wind druid.

in short if u use weapon to deal dmg (other than bow or thrown wepon) ur melee.

melee requirers attack rating? lol ur an idiot ...
multi shot strafe throwing weapons at enemies require attack rating but their not melee.

if u say ww, charge, or smite is not melee then ur prolly ret-R-dead
 
Not melee.

Smite needs no Attackrating

its unblockable

knockback

stun

its also using a shield to attack, while melee is using a weapon. or claw, or your fist.

therefore its not melee.
 
LovelyGods said:
Not melee.

Smite needs no Attackrating

its unblockable

knockback

stun

its also using a shield to attack, while melee is using a weapon. or claw, or your fist.

therefore its not melee.
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then u stick to ur opinion... i say ur opinion is SO WRONG
I should get a round metal trash lid which look like a shield if i put my fist on the handle and bash u with it to get it to ur thick head that SMITE IS MELEE

imagine me bashing u with a trashcan lid and ull see that im using melee attack on u
 
GRRRRR. I already posted this in the charge thread, but apparently this idiotic definitions debate couldn't be contained in one thread. So once again, here is the showstopper:

Ok guys, argue all you want, you're still not going to change the meaning of the word MELEE. Someone already posted the definition, but I took it upon myself to do it again and even cite a source.

From the Mirriam-Webster Online Dictionary:
Main Entry: me·lee
Variant(s): also mê·lée /'mA-"lA, mA-'/
Function: noun
Etymology: French mêlée, from Old French meslee, from mesler to mix -- more at MEDDLE
: a confused struggle; especially : a hand-to-hand fight among several people

There you go. That really means that everything you've talked about is melee isn't it? If you disagree with this, send a letter to Mirriam-Webster on how their definition didn't take Attack Rating into account when they published this. In the meantime, please bring an end to this flame thread. The very subject that is being argued about is making my head hurt.
 
TheQuestionForumMan said:
Melee is a (hand to hand) combat. melee requires CLOSE QUARTERS combat to deal dmg... therefore charge, ww, smite, zeal, dragonflight requires CLOSE QUARTERS combat to deal dmg... so in the game... maximum range of melee is 5 when using spears... but most melee combats take place is within the range between 1-3( daggers, swords maces axe shieldbashes aka smite) USING WEAPONS IS WITHIN RANGE OF 1-5 IS MELEE.. projectiles r considered nonmelee (bow, throwing wepons,) and casters is using no wepons to deal dmg such as wind druid.

in short if u use weapon to deal dmg (other than bow or thrown wepon) ur melee.

melee requirers attack rating? lol ur an idiot ...
multi shot strafe throwing weapons at enemies require attack rating but their not melee.

if u say ww, charge, or smite is not melee then ur prolly ret-R-dead
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idiot? ********?

hmm what are you 5? i dont seen any reason for these outburts, i believe garbad calls this trolling?
regardless of your outlook granted smite is hand to hand combat, but guided arrow is more melee then smite. it can be blocked and requires AR unlike smite. In most well mannered dueling smite is not considered melee.
 
Stoutwood said:
GRRRRR. I already posted this in the charge thread, but apparently this idiotic definitions debate couldn't be contained in one thread. So once again, here is the showstopper:

Ok guys, argue all you want, you're still not going to change the meaning of the word MELEE. Someone already posted the definition, but I took it upon myself to do it again and even cite a source.

From the Mirriam-Webster Online Dictionary:
Main Entry: me·lee
Variant(s): also mê·lée /'mA-"lA, mA-'/
Function: noun
Etymology: French mêlée, from Old French meslee, from mesler to mix -- more at MEDDLE
: a confused struggle; especially : a hand-to-hand fight among several people

There you go. That really means that everything you've talked about is melee isn't it? If you disagree with this, send a letter to Mirriam-Webster on how their definition didn't take Attack Rating into account when they published this. In the meantime, please bring an end to this flame thread. The very subject that is being argued about is making my head hurt.
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Amen Stoutwood. Maybe they require another dictionary, this is from www.dictionary.com:

me·lee ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ml, m-l) also mê·lée (m-l)
n.

Confused, hand-to-hand fighting in a pitched battle.
A violent free-for-all. See Synonyms at brawl.
A confused tumultuous mingling, as of a crowd: the rush-hour melee.


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[French mêlée, from Old French meslee, past participle of mesler, to mix. See meddle.]

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Do you guys want to argue with American Heritage and Meriam-Webster? Then as Stoutwood says, get them to change their definition. I would consider smite ranged if... I could throw my shield at you like Captain America, now that would be cool.
 
chinokix06 said:
idiot? ********?

hmm what are you 5? i dont seen any reason for these outburts, i believe garbad calls this trolling?
regardless of your outlook granted smite is hand to hand combat, but guided arrow is more melee then smite. it can be blocked and requires AR unlike smite. In most well mannered dueling smite is not considered melee.
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Try putting in the name of game the word ZEAL, it works wonders... or FURYZEAL DUELS, dunno, be creative.
 
Smite is melee You could all ways say if I hit you with my sheild then I am using my sheild as a weapon. Hey I could poke your eyes out with a feather and it is still melee. Even tho a feather is not a weapon. You could suffacate me with a bannana but a Bannana is food not a weapon.

How to suffacate some one with a bannana simple.
Take one bannana with its skin still on. Force open the mouth of said person. Take the bannana with the skin still on it and put it in the throat of said person. Note you know you did it right when you have it as far down the throat as you can go. Put your hand over the face of said person. make shure to cover the nose. Wait till the said person does not have a pulse any more. Repeat when nessensay.

Sorry for my sick humor. It is just that sick humor.

The only true way of telling melee from ranged combat is this did you use a extension of your body to hit a person or did you shoot or throw a item to hurt that person.
 
Is this really something to argue about? Who cares if someone thinks smite isn't melee? You heard it before, and will continue to hear it no matter what anyone says.
 
chinokix06 said:
idiot? ********?

hmm what are you 5? i dont seen any reason for these outburts, i believe garbad calls this trolling?
regardless of your outlook granted smite is hand to hand combat, but guided arrow is more melee then smite. it can be blocked and requires AR unlike smite. In most well mannered dueling smite is not considered melee.
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When did GA start requiring AR, or am i just misunderstanding this?
 
Talking about humor I find these 2 post rather funny. I kind of wonder how many people here have actly fought with a melee weapon or studyed wartime combat tatics before. Do any of you actly know why the word confused comes up in the many definitions of the word melee? Because one of the greatest tatics is to actly confuse the person you are actly trying to kill. I know that from training in 2 defrent forms of combat. No I am not talking about boxing or when actly fighting in a ring. No I am talking about escape and evasion, and rpsrpg DragonCreast. We would actly hit each other with padded weapons. I all ways played a npc. Because I actly just liked doing the combat. Bla to Role Playing I want to get to the action kind of person. One of the tatics We would use is to hit some one that was not actly fighting me. To score a hit and help out a person on my team. Even at times I would run in from the side of a formation and try to tag a quick hit and run out. Just like the ideal with charging, leap attack, and wirlwind (the skills in d2). Ya most of the time I would get killed by archers or Mages but hey. I got 1 or 2 hits in before that happened. So before you actly try to figuer out what is melee and what is not in this game think about what you are doing. Because if you actly thought about some one could run in and slice you with a sword and and run off in one motion. Is it melee yes it is. Why is it so, it is a confusing attack that is done with a extension of your arm or leg. If so one could actly preform a wirlwind in real life there would be no dought in any ones mind that it is a melee attack.

The real question is why people think that some melee attack in game are not melee attacks. Some people would say because you are moving in the attack. Some people will say that it is because you are not using attack ratting, using a sheild, or knocking the person back. So those things are actly saying that some of the great melee attacks are not melee at all. A sheild is a extension of your arm there for it could be used in a melee attack. Same thing with a boot. Attack ratting issue. Ok why would you need attack ratting if you are hitting some one that is ment to knock a person back. I only seams logical that it would all ways hit, stun, and knock a person back. I know I have been hit is a sheild made out of foum. It knocked me back, they did not have to aim it at me really, and I was stunned by it. KNOCKED THE F _ _ _ OUT NO BUT DAZED YA. I have run right up to a person hit then with a sword. Watched them take the hit. Did I stop running yes, did I need to no. Was it a melee attack yes it was. Could I have knocked them down yes, did I no. Why I was not actly trying to hurt the person just score a hit. CONFUSED YET, WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF FORMATION COMBAT!!!
 
GA does not need attack ratting. Who ever said that is confused. I would back up that GA does not need attack ratting even if the great Mr. Sheaffers came in to this forum and said no it does not. I think he would actly back you and I up.
 
You ******** mother ****ers.

In 1.09, Zealots were considered melee, yes? Yet I do believe that 99.5% of all pvp zealots abused the Eth bug? Last time I checked, that nullified the need for AR? So, by your rule, no AR, NO ZEALOT, BARB, DRUID, ASSY.... anyone with Eth was melee.

Repeat what they said about the definition.

It is blockable. Ask any d/c assy, zon.

Go back to sorcs/zons/and barbs. Get the **** out.
 
Fonis post mortem said:
You ******** mother ****ers.

In 1.09, Zealots were considered melee, yes? Yet I do believe that 99.5% of all pvp zealots abused the Eth bug? Last time I checked, that nullified the need for AR? So, by your rule, no AR, NO ZEALOT, BARB, DRUID, ASSY.... anyone with Eth was melee.

Repeat what they said about the definition.

It is blockable. Ask any d/c assy, zon.

Go back to sorcs/zons/and barbs. Get the **** out.
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I'm gonna kinda get off topic about this.. Anyway I was in druidpk the other day with my level 9 dueler just watching WW fight as it was entertaining becase it reminded me of 1.09 dueling back in the day. I was eventually followed by a few zealots and one who hostle me and had Godly gear and what not. He continue the pk me after I told him not to seeming i'm a patient fellow. Now by the ninth time my patience dried up. I came in with my V/T and eventually continue to pk him until he left stating "I will finish this" and he did finished it with his save n exit skills. All in the meanwhile he just said "Smiter this and smiter that".

Bottom line is Smite/WW is melee but they are the 2 most overpowered melee attacks in the game. Anyone who doesn't think it's melee then cry me a river and get a caster. end of rant.
 
If people beat you, then all your skills are melee. If they lose, then nothing you kill them with is manner skill...

Everytime people say Smite isnt melee to me, I just calmly reply:

" Want more Kimchi? " or " Okie, it is Guided Arrow in disguise! "

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