PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Ilumm said:
Another clear answer.Ty.

However now i am having problems choosing a merc. Is an a2 merc that hard to keep alive?(cows/sanctuary/wsk).

Are a1 mercs worth it(i can't afford faith,only harmony)?
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For a primary CS runner, yes having the merc dieing to IM is annoying. However, if you're focusing on other areas to, IM deaths will become less often of an occurrence so it shouldn't be that a big problem.

You can simply try both out, after all switching merc in case you end up not liking your first choice isn't that hard.



 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

I have some new questions:

1) After a lot of thinking i decided for an insight act2 merc. This is the only aura(except vigor and thorns) i can get and it seems to solve a problem that a lot of people complain of.

2) I was planning to use an ark+2 as an armor(+2skills which are great for p&m and javazon skills and some good life on it). Now thinking again i realise this is way to much str to spend(24points,i messed my calculus the first time) and as such i don't consider it worthy anymore. Due to my setup (shaeled weapon,20ias gloves,highlords,andy) i only need one ias jewel to reach all the bps. What would the best armor in this case be?

So far there aren't any elite unique armors worth and no runeword armors (that don't require at least 1hr) worth it also.

So my best bet here is an upped perfect vipermagi?
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

1) Thorns gets useless quickly, I suggest going with a might merc if you're going for Act 2. As for his polearm, this build can rely on ml for mana, so you don't really need the meditation. Best cheap merc polearm would probably be reapers toll.

2) If you don't need any ias from the armor slot, then you've got pretty free hands. Duress is good for a bit bow damage and some other fun mods, viper good for res and the +1skills.

Upped viper is a good choice, will have to think it over before I can tell for sure that there aren't any better though.










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The guide might mutate in the near future, keep a blunt (preferably very heavy) weapon at hand while reading.
 
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Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

My problem is this: A non eth non upped Titan can handle the game with only 5ml(i have a nice dual leech res ring i don't want to give up).

I do also have an non eth decent insight(around 450max dmg) laying around also so a might/meditation merc should look nice. Ty for checking the best armor btw.

Why does this guide mutate? :D

Edit:
You can't socket Titans right? D:
What the next Bp for WF after the 80(90) one?
 
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Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Ilumm said:
My problem is this: A non eth non upped Titan can handle the game with only 5ml(i have a nice dual leech res ring i don't want to give up).

I do also have an non eth decent insight(around 450max dmg) laying around also so a might/meditation merc should look nice. Ty for checking the best armor btw.

Why does this guide mutate? :D

Edit:
You can't socket Titans right? D:
What the next Bp for WF after the 80(90) one?
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Assume yoiu mean "can't handle", true, however your bow switch may fill your bulb with a single multi/strafe, so doing a quick switch is an option.

While meditation do work, it's a bit wasteful with a build that does physical damage (so that leech could be used instead). Nevertheless, feel free to try it out, each of us will end up playing our hybrids differently, the areas/your playing style might favor using insight more then mine does.

The guide mutates since it was a draft version, haven't been able to update it to a "complete" version until now since I was to busy with my forumtrader project. Errors are easier to fix once you've posted a draft for others to look though. Perfect that the edit expiration is gone too. I'll be messing around with it now and then as I write new stuff to add to/replace into it.

Correct, titans cannot be socketed.
For more bp's please do use the amazon tables (link in sign), or the german calc (link).



 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Kijya said:
Assume yoiu mean "can't handle", true, however your bow switch may fill your bulb with a single multi/strafe, so doing a quick switch is an option.

While meditation do work, it's a bit wasteful with a build that does physical damage (so that leech could be used instead). Nevertheless, feel free to try it out, each of us will end up playing our hybrids differently, the areas/your playing style might favor using insight more then mine does.

The guide mutates since it was a draft version, haven't been able to update it to a "complete" version until now since I was to busy with my forumtrader project. Errors are easier to fix once you've posted a draft for others to look though. Perfect that the edit expiration is gone too. I'll be messing around with it now and then as I write new stuff to add to/replace into it.

Correct, titans cannot be socketed.
For more bp's please do use the amazon tables (link in sign), or the german calc (link).
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First of all damn. the next bp is 150ias which is quite unreachable...unless i use treachery....

As for meditation it isn't that it's a good aura,it's just that i don't see any item that would do better on an a2 merc...Reapers Toll seems to have the same stats and i don't value crowd control so much... I just say that if you give me a better alternative for an aura i will take it,but seeing that i don't want to spend more that an ist(tops) to dress my merc nothing beats medi+might.

As for items,please bear with me and tell me what you think about them:

Andy(26str/8ll/jewel 15ias/25def)
Titan(low.I plan to buy an eth in the future)
Wf(shael,i bought it like this).
Spirit(fcr doesn't matter unless you have enigma).
Highlords
Raven
Ring 5ml/4ll/res/ar
Gloves 2java/20ias/19fire/EDef(I do also have LOH and Lava,but these seem the best).
Wts
Razor(maybe thundergood i will try it on)
torch/ani.

Because i can't socket Tit i need 14 more ias so i need to either socket my armor with ias or make an Ias armor....Treachery for example:
This will bring me to 160ias with WF(8sec bp/max strafe) and to 120ias with Titans which should lead me to...I really but at least a nice Speed.



 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Are you more lightning or bow orientated? If you are missing the 14%IAS the the answer is as simple as socketing your chest armour with one. I've not bothered to check in on BPs yet.

Regarding A2 vs A1 Mercs, its entirely upto you. When I started my own Amazon, she had crappy AR, so then I used Blessed Aim. I later upgraded my weapon and got some nice dex charms and changed my Blessed Aim into Defiance Merc. Lvled up a bit and started getting better gear. My Valk was getting better and my merc died less so I switched to Might. ALL of which used a random stick but Reapers works better here then Insight because it boosts your bow damage a lot with the Decrep proc (as well as boosting your valk damage and slows down mobs).
Mana isn't an issue imo, one or two flicks of strafe and its back up again.

Heres my list for comparison:

Andy + Ral
Upgd Titans 188ed/8ll
T-Gods 188ed
Gores 188ed
Spirit Monarch
Atmas Scarab (Previously tried Cats Eye)
+2 Java, 20IAS, +10str gloves
Ravenfrost
5%ML, +10 str, +res ring
Gladiators Bane +IAS'ed

Weapon Switch:
Buriza 194ed + Shaeled

Merc:
Harmony Bow made in 15ed Ward Bow
My Valk Helm + IAS'ed
Gladiators Bane

Inventory:
T-Strokes (currently buying a 188ed one)
Lotsa dex charms...

Stash:
Demon Limb - for that ultra rare phys immune, lightning immune, stone skin unique.

Thoughts:
Amulet - I'm currenly experimenting here. Tried a Cats Eye and was pleased with the FRW more then anything. Currently using Atmas for the 20%AR Bonus and Amplify Damage. Will try HLs next.
Body armour - only using this until I think of something better...like Forti >< I have used Trechery before and I might use it again but that depends on finding one and fixing my res.

Bow: I know Buriza is meh, but I haven't gotten around to WF yet.

Belt: I tried Razorswitch, Nos coil which were great. But I saw myself as a more Java-oriented build so I am using T-gods.
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Ilumm said:
I just say that if you give me a better alternative for an aura i will take it,but seeing that i don't want to spend more that an ist(tops) to dress my merc nothing beats medi+might.
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If you don't have mana problems, meditation is useless. Why not use eth Arioc's Needle - it's cheap as hell. It gives +4 to all skills making his might aurea 4 levels higher - this means 40 % extra off weapon ed.

P.S. Reapers toll isn't about crowd control, it's about lowering physical resistance with 50 % - making damage and thus leech higher.

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Other ideas are Kelpie Snare for huge slow or Hone Sundan for huge crushing blow.

P.P.S. Why is everyone obsessed with Thundergods.



 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Ty Very much.

As this guide is,i am more javazon oriented.
MY question about bp was regarding the actual bps. With 160ias on bow i should be able to reach 8frames(MS) and 4+2 with strafe.

What i can't understand is what bp i can reach with titan.

As for Harmony it seems a nice choice,but loosing might(and maybe even meditation) just for vigor .....

Btw have you ever tried Highlords. +1 skills for javazon,lr and Deadly strike for Bow.
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Making this build. going primarily bow with lf for PI and CS for bosses. I want to run chaos pits and WSK.

Few questions.

1. Where im going to be primarily bow do i want +2 to jav gloves or +2 to bow gloves or do i just want LoH for extra bow damage. Could also use the enchant gloves for extra IAS to switch out evey now and again.

2. I put 100 points into base vit, im assuming this is probably to much or no? i could easily remake if it will break this build Im looking for as high as posible bow damage

3. Im going to be using a WF bow, and fort armor (going all out offence) my merc will be using Faith but what helm and armor? i need sugestions

4. Items will be the following.

helm - andys
bow - WF
armor = Fort
Boots - Travs
Gloves - See question 1
Ammy - Highlords???
rings - Double Raven 20 dex
Jav - Tstrokes for CS
sheild - Spirite???? realy not sure here.

What do you think.
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Ilumm said:
Ty Very much.

As this guide is,i am more javazon oriented.
MY question about bp was regarding the actual bps. With 160ias on bow i should be able to reach 8frames(MS) and 4+2 with strafe.

What i can't understand is what bp i can reach with titan.

As for Harmony it seems a nice choice,but loosing might(and maybe even meditation) just for vigor .....

Btw have you ever tried Highlords. +1 skills for javazon,lr and Deadly strike for Bow.
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The throwing and melee javelin tables are in the amazon tables to you know :rolleyes: As long as you hit your bow breakpoints you'll commonly hit a good throwing breakpoint to, at least if you're using a -10 wsm javelin such as the amazon only ones.

If your damage is high enough it'll do you no good if you can't deliver it to it's destination. I lost about 1k bow damage when I switched to using enigma as my main armor, but the mobility was worth it in my opinion. Harmony vs might merc can be though of in the same manner. But to each their own, some of us will gladly give up some movement speed for more damage, while others will not.

Yes I'm using highlords on my amazon right now, work great for me.


Kurtal said:
Making this build. going primarily bow with lf for PI and CS for bosses. I want to run chaos pits and WSK.

Few questions.

1. Where im going to be primarily bow do i want +2 to jav gloves or +2 to bow gloves or do i just want LoH for extra bow damage. Could also use the enchant gloves for extra IAS to switch out evey now and again.

2. I put 100 points into base vit, im assuming this is probably to much or no? i could easily remake if it will break this build Im looking for as high as posible bow damage

3. Im going to be using a WF bow, and fort armor (going all out offence) my merc will be using Faith but what helm and armor? i need sugestions

4. Items will be the following.

helm - andys
bow - WF
armor = Fort
Boots - Travs
Gloves - See question 1
Ammy - Highlords???
rings - Double Raven 20 dex
Jav - Tstrokes for CS
sheild - Spirite???? realy not sure here.

What do you think.
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1) +bow skill gloves are used on FA zons, to a physical bow build they're rather useless compared to the other options. If you have AR problems, then cast enchant with lava gout, otherwise LoH is the best bowzon gloves. The best "hybrid" gloves in my opinion would be a set of +2java/20ias/cb/ll/(ml)/stat/res crafted blood gloves, though those are hard/impossible to get hold of.

2) The build will not break from it, no worries. I added some stat directions in the guide, check those out. Though if you're looking for max damage, then yes those points should have been placed in dex.

3) The highlords will not be needed unless your faith merc only has aura level 12. You can replace it with atmas scarab if you wish. Also only one raven, you should probably do better usinging a dual leech as your second ring. Other then that it looks solid.



 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

ok, so if i do remake put enogh into STR to wear a Monarch sheild. base vit and base eng. and rest into dex. use laying of hands, if i have that much dex + a faith merc my attack rating should not be an issue.

i dont realy see why i would want atmas over highlords. if you could break that down for me please. I know highlords gives + to skills and deadly strike which awsome i think no? im assuming ill be killing packs to quick for amp to realy apply using atams or am i wrong? more info there would be nice.

Also whats an FA zon.


Edit,

Also would like to know what gear should go on a A1 merc never used one before. preferably somthing to make me kill faster if not somthing to make her live.

Second Edit,

Didnt meantion a belt. Thinking Razor Tail for more damage and peirce?

Third Edit,

I worked it out and with the gear i will have - 1 rare ring i will have +50 (20 torch and 20 anni)to vit assuming i will be level 85 ish i will only have 370 health, is this realy a good number. i know if i play it right it should be ok i just never heard of sombody having that low of health in hell. just want your opinion on this or did i miss calculat somthing.
 
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Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Kurtal said:
ok, so if i do remake put enogh into STR to wear a Monarch sheild. base vit and base eng. and rest into dex. use laying of hands, if i have that much dex + a faith merc my attack rating should not be an issue.

i dont realy see why i would want atmas over highlords. if you could break that down for me please. I know highlords gives + to skills and deadly strike which awsome i think no? im assuming ill be killing packs to quick for amp to realy apply using atams or am i wrong? more info there would be nice.

Also whats an FA zon.


Edit,

Also would like to know what gear should go on a A1 merc never used one before. preferably somthing to make me kill faster if not somthing to make her live.

Second Edit,

Didnt meantion a belt. Thinking Razor Tail for more damage and peirce?
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Highlords is most likely the better amulet for this build. But the gear you listed already hits the IAS breakpoint without it. That's why I'd suggest to either use something else, though of course you could change another piece of your equipment instead. Not saying that having more then the bp is bad, but kinda wasteful to be 20% ias above it.

FA = freezing arrow. The cold bowzons have use of +bow skills for damage.

Delerium + CoH will allow her to survive well, it's my choice. No good alternative that increases your damage further afaik.

razortail is my choice to, 100% pierce is great to have and will increase damage more then the alternatives.

370 sounds to low, missed the +life from levels and forti? In any case I've added my thoughs on life in section 3.3.



 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

So did you check what's the best armor Kijia?(sry if i misppeled your name)

Anyway i decided with treachery atm for the insane bps.
 
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Hadn't come up with any better choices then upped viper. But seems you decided on a new approach on your own anyway :cloud9:

Higher bow breakpoints are good, though I though you said you wished for a javazon oriented hybrid? As I bet you can tell by now I really cannot say with items will be best for you, I'm not you. :whistling: As you play her it wouldn't surprise me if you find yourself wanting to explore a new direction in the middle of building her. I myself have rebuild my "finnished hybrid" several times and always liked the new version better.
 
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oops why did I say Razorswitch? I meant Razortail yes :-)
And although I'm not disagreeing with your statement, I repeat that I saw myself as a more Javazon orientated built and she'd benefit more from the + skills it [T-gods] offeres.
Plus you can't get 188ed Razortails..
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

you do more damage by having 100% pierce with minimal investment than the puny 3 skills give you.

what zon ever needs defense?
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Finally finished my char.

A level 83zon after +stats i have(with titan/spirit):
157str
295dex
262vita
base energy
1018life(almost no life scs)
329mana

As for skills i have maxed lf/cs and one sinergy. I also have one point in al p&ms and enough for lvl 15multi/12 strafe

Items are
Andy(ias jewel)
Treachery(Russet armor)
Titan non eth
spririt
windforce shael
Highlords
Raven
ring 5ml/4ll/20fr/20cr/20ar.
Wts
Lava gout/rare 2java,20ias,20fr
Razor/Thundergod

First of all: Everything that isn't immune dies REALLY fast. As for LI's there is a problem.They don't die that fast and here comes my dilema STRAFE>MULTI.
Everything that isn't Li can be killed in 1-3 LFs and after that the Lis that remain are to few to use Multi. So when i will rmk that char(on the next ladder) I will just use my multi points in penetrate.

This leads me to my 2nd problem ar.Even with lava gout i only have a 75% chance to hit(varies a little depending on monster).I have 5800ar btw.

Also Mana leach is a prob (both with 5 and 7 ml). I still haven't equipped my merc so i can't say how good can he survive after.Regarding this.Any idea of a 20-30to all res Helmet(i would preffer to not spend the money on Kiras for just that much res).

SO all in all this is a powerfull hybrid but my build is ruined because i really can't get how to make a hybrid based on 4skills(with sinergies/ar/pasives). Suggesting to only use multi or Strafe would either add about 15-20% chance to hit or about 50% extra damage on strafe skill.

All in all a good guide and i can at the moment clear wsk/sanctuary/cows quite nice but not as fast as this build could have if it would have been a little altered.

One last thing. Once the fade from Treachery is cast you gain 42 to all res.That fade is on most of the time and as such i believe this armor to be better than viper(you don't need def so much),althogh the 2 are close.As for titans i really can't understand how can eth tit be used seeing that at every cow/wsk+baal/river+sanc+diablo run i have to repair them once :D.
 
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