PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
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and here is some feedback.
im overall very pleased with the build, i use multishot alot more than any other skill when i run Chaos but that is because of a few reasons, first is on Eu ladder all hell games are trade games and the few Baal games there is are over in 3 min, so that limets my trys in 3-6 man games, im a little low on life 480 and my dex is about 400, im lvl 86 atm, ill list the gear and stats i have.
Andys (not socket yet)
WF (Sheal)
Eth Titans 180%/8% LL (worth upping?)/Spirit monarc
WT
Highlords
CoH AP
Rare Gloves 2 Java and 20 ias with some resist
Ravenfrost
Rare 5%LL and 4% ML ring with 50mana and resists
Anni and Torch, and some crappy dmg/ar charms
stats are enough str for gear
400 dex
80 vita (had to put in 40 as i entered hell with 296 HP)
and mana is base
resist
fire 16
frost 75
light 62
poison 22 ( i think)
i have maxed LF,CS and Valk and put 6 in multi and 11 in strafe and still have points left i dont know what to do with.
my LF is lvl 37 and i do about 1700 dmg if i remember correct and my Multishot is about 3k and strafe about 3,3k or so, i fire at the highest multi speed as possible.
as i stated in the beginning there are only trade games i can join and multi is insane in those games, i dont clear sanc as fast as you do in your video but im in a learning proces, due to my low life i use bow more since it have Knockback and i only have 4% ML on gear so i run out of mana real fast since i dont leech enough when i throw, this might be different if there was larger packs of mobs in there, so once i find games with 3 others ill try LF more, when i push the seals i use LF tho since it kills them in 2 sec, but overall i use WF more, it works great in chaos i really cant complain, i have solo lvled from 83 to 86 by running it.
i have also done 2 WSK runs and died on one of them, some super fast fana mob killed me before i could react, but due to my low life its alot slower than Chaos since i know whats comming there, but im sure another 300-400 life would make WSK running alot better for me.
This build has to be the most fun build i have ever tried, its strong, and you need to be on your toes since you have such a small life pool, its only weakspot is magot lair with its small hallways but its only in hell mode and you only need to go thru that once.
so this build gets a big :thumbup: from me
kind regards Sinn
and here is some feedback.
im overall very pleased with the build, i use multishot alot more than any other skill when i run Chaos but that is because of a few reasons, first is on Eu ladder all hell games are trade games and the few Baal games there is are over in 3 min, so that limets my trys in 3-6 man games, im a little low on life 480 and my dex is about 400, im lvl 86 atm, ill list the gear and stats i have.
Andys (not socket yet)
WF (Sheal)
Eth Titans 180%/8% LL (worth upping?)/Spirit monarc
WT
Highlords
CoH AP
Rare Gloves 2 Java and 20 ias with some resist
Ravenfrost
Rare 5%LL and 4% ML ring with 50mana and resists
Anni and Torch, and some crappy dmg/ar charms
stats are enough str for gear
400 dex
80 vita (had to put in 40 as i entered hell with 296 HP)
and mana is base
resist
fire 16
frost 75
light 62
poison 22 ( i think)
i have maxed LF,CS and Valk and put 6 in multi and 11 in strafe and still have points left i dont know what to do with.
my LF is lvl 37 and i do about 1700 dmg if i remember correct and my Multishot is about 3k and strafe about 3,3k or so, i fire at the highest multi speed as possible.
as i stated in the beginning there are only trade games i can join and multi is insane in those games, i dont clear sanc as fast as you do in your video but im in a learning proces, due to my low life i use bow more since it have Knockback and i only have 4% ML on gear so i run out of mana real fast since i dont leech enough when i throw, this might be different if there was larger packs of mobs in there, so once i find games with 3 others ill try LF more, when i push the seals i use LF tho since it kills them in 2 sec, but overall i use WF more, it works great in chaos i really cant complain, i have solo lvled from 83 to 86 by running it.
i have also done 2 WSK runs and died on one of them, some super fast fana mob killed me before i could react, but due to my low life its alot slower than Chaos since i know whats comming there, but im sure another 300-400 life would make WSK running alot better for me.
This build has to be the most fun build i have ever tried, its strong, and you need to be on your toes since you have such a small life pool, its only weakspot is magot lair with its small hallways but its only in hell mode and you only need to go thru that once.
so this build gets a big :thumbup: from me
kind regards Sinn
crawlingdeadman1
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Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
when you get into big mob killing with fury, mana per kill works wonders. this build is a bit unforgiving b/c of the low life, but that's where the "glass cannon" part comes from. the key to worldstone keep running is decoy placement.
when you get into big mob killing with fury, mana per kill works wonders. this build is a bit unforgiving b/c of the low life, but that's where the "glass cannon" part comes from. the key to worldstone keep running is decoy placement.
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
1st of all: loh xtra dmg to demons only works on phisical attacks right? And to kill bosses(which are the most important demons) you use CS or in other words mainly lightning dmg so loh is only usefull when you meet LI demons...
As for gloves/boots i have a question:
lava gout+aldur's vs imm boots and gloves.
While lava gives enchant(which helps with ar problems when using a bow) and aldur's give fr imm gives +20str/dex and 25better chance. So which do you think would be better
Also:
And for bow: WF vs eagle. The main advantage for eagle would be ITD..... How does ITD work...does it mean i always have a 95% chance to hit or....(btw i can't affort a faith).
One last thing: Seeing that on switch you have a bow you can't use eth titans right?
CONGRATIOLATIONS. A really great guide. I hope you are still here to answer me these questions.
1st of all: loh xtra dmg to demons only works on phisical attacks right? And to kill bosses(which are the most important demons) you use CS or in other words mainly lightning dmg so loh is only usefull when you meet LI demons...
As for gloves/boots i have a question:
lava gout+aldur's vs imm boots and gloves.
While lava gives enchant(which helps with ar problems when using a bow) and aldur's give fr imm gives +20str/dex and 25better chance. So which do you think would be better
Also:
And for bow: WF vs eagle. The main advantage for eagle would be ITD..... How does ITD work...does it mean i always have a 95% chance to hit or....(btw i can't affort a faith).
One last thing: Seeing that on switch you have a bow you can't use eth titans right?
CONGRATIOLATIONS. A really great guide. I hope you are still here to answer me these questions.
crawlingdeadman1
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Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
there are a crap load of demons in chaos sanc that arent Diablo.
what do aldur's boots offer you? ik parts are too heavy for a typical zon imo. Loh are the best. nothing beats gores or wartravs for a zon doing physical damage boot wise. if i couldnt afford those, i'd go with waterwalks.
why wouldnt you be able to use eth titans on switch from a bow? there's bow side, then there's jav/shield side.
there are a crap load of demons in chaos sanc that arent Diablo.
what do aldur's boots offer you? ik parts are too heavy for a typical zon imo. Loh are the best. nothing beats gores or wartravs for a zon doing physical damage boot wise. if i couldnt afford those, i'd go with waterwalks.
why wouldnt you be able to use eth titans on switch from a bow? there's bow side, then there's jav/shield side.
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
40frw which the other boots don't give. Fr and life.On the other hand waterwalks are probably better than aldur's. As for wts it depends on how much you value mf.Please also keep in mind that this is mainly a javazon and i at least plan to use the bow only for LIs.
Ty also
Because eth tit only has replenish quatity and not repair. Doesn't the dura get used when you atack with cs?
40frw which the other boots don't give. Fr and life.On the other hand waterwalks are probably better than aldur's. As for wts it depends on how much you value mf.Please also keep in mind that this is mainly a javazon and i at least plan to use the bow only for LIs.
Ty also
Because eth tit only has replenish quatity and not repair. Doesn't the dura get used when you atack with cs?
crawlingdeadman1
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Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
for javelins replenish=repair. yes cs does use durability, but they will replenish. durability is a hidden quality on javs. when you lose enough durability (that you dont see) you'll lose one jav, which will then be replenished.
for javelins replenish=repair. yes cs does use durability, but they will replenish. durability is a hidden quality on javs. when you lose enough durability (that you dont see) you'll lose one jav, which will then be replenished.
crawlingdeadman1
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Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
nothing to be sorry for, i was confused as to what you were asking. not everyone knows about javelins and their durability. i'm not sure i described it correctly myself, but i do know you'll be alright. my gunslinger uses eth upped titans herself.
nothing to be sorry for, i was confused as to what you were asking. not everyone knows about javelins and their durability. i'm not sure i described it correctly myself, but i do know you'll be alright. my gunslinger uses eth upped titans herself.
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
ITD isn't just the main advantage for eagle, it's really that bows only selling point compared to WF. Although ITD is useful since we do have AR problems, WF will give far higher damage output so even if you miss a few arrows you'll end up doing more. Enchant really is a better solution to your AR problems.
ITD doesn't work vs unique/super unique monsters.
Think CDM answered all questions except this one.
ITD isn't just the main advantage for eagle, it's really that bows only selling point compared to WF. Although ITD is useful since we do have AR problems, WF will give far higher damage output so even if you miss a few arrows you'll end up doing more. Enchant really is a better solution to your AR problems.
ITD doesn't work vs unique/super unique monsters.
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
Yes i also realised WF for the win.
However regarding boots and gloves i am still in the mist.
SO the best gloves seem to be lava gout or laying of hands. My problem with LOH is this: the 350xtra dmg to demons only goes for phisical dmg right? We only use phisical dmg when using a bow,so when there are LIs. So the extra dmg is only applied to LI demons.....
As for boots can someone explain which of the following is best:
Trek vs War travelers vs waterwalk.
Yes i also realised WF for the win.
However regarding boots and gloves i am still in the mist.
SO the best gloves seem to be lava gout or laying of hands. My problem with LOH is this: the 350xtra dmg to demons only goes for phisical dmg right? We only use phisical dmg when using a bow,so when there are LIs. So the extra dmg is only applied to LI demons.....
As for boots can someone explain which of the following is best:
Trek vs War travelers vs waterwalk.
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
If you're wondering if the 350ed on LoH is worth it, then "maybe" is the answer. I'd personally take a 2java/20ias rare/crafted over it, if I don't have one of those I'd select between lava gout and LoH depending on if I lack AR or not.
Trek and ww barely do anything for the build, WT wins.
Trek acts as little more then poison res boots, since fhr isn't a priority in pvm, and for resists rare boots are better. WW might give life, but if you lack that then it's better to switch some max or res charms for life ones, other boots can give you better returns when looking at charm/boot combos.
Not all hybrids will use the bow only for LI, those with a good bow can move down things without having to bother too much about the packs immunity. Since there's often packs that combine both LI and non-LI, I often find it easier to just multi everything instead of LFing and then picking of the left over LIs. So in the end I hit non LI demons to.
If you're wondering if the 350ed on LoH is worth it, then "maybe" is the answer. I'd personally take a 2java/20ias rare/crafted over it, if I don't have one of those I'd select between lava gout and LoH depending on if I lack AR or not.
Trek and ww barely do anything for the build, WT wins.
Trek acts as little more then poison res boots, since fhr isn't a priority in pvm, and for resists rare boots are better. WW might give life, but if you lack that then it's better to switch some max or res charms for life ones, other boots can give you better returns when looking at charm/boot combos.
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
My own opinion is clearly written in the guide (section 2.3), going that high into those skills will not be that skillpoint effective if you ask me.
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
Ty very much for your answers and this great guide. I am already on my way to making a hibryd like this.
One last question: What are ias breakpoints for WF?
Ty very much for your answers and this great guide. I am already on my way to making a hibryd like this.
One last question: What are ias breakpoints for WF?
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
The ias bp's can be found in the amazon tables ("amazon bp's" in my sign).
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
Gj on the job.
Just to make sure. The most ias you actually need to attain good bps
Is 89 for titans
75 For Wf(with everything except strafe)
80 for WF with strafe.
Ty again and great job on the guide.
Btw you should include bps for the most important items in this guide so it would be easier to read.
Gj on the job.
Just to make sure. The most ias you actually need to attain good bps
Is 89 for titans
75 For Wf(with everything except strafe)
80 for WF with strafe.
Ty again and great job on the guide.
Btw you should include bps for the most important items in this guide so it would be easier to read.
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
90 for normal/multi WF (9fpa)
80 for strafe WF (fastest non bugged speed)
Practically, without fana. Think you mistook WF for a -10 WSM bow ... it's a 10 WSM one.
90 for throw with titans (9fpa)
90 for normal/multi WF (9fpa)
80 for strafe WF (fastest non bugged speed)
Practically, without fana. Think you mistook WF for a -10 WSM bow ... it's a 10 WSM one.
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6736908#post6736908
Here's a post that includes some comments on playing style:
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6736908#post6736908
