It's coming down to the wire. Does Trump resign and let Pence pardon him or does he go the self pardon route? I think it will be the latter. It will be for all past and present crimes the fake news/deep state accuses him of committing.
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Pence pardon or Trump self pardon?
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Obstruction of justice.
Perjury.
Bribery.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States.
Campaign finance violation.
Negligent homicide.
Several banking crimes related to loans.
Insurance fraud.
Ordered or coerced others to break the law.
Money laundering.
Rape.
State and federal tax crimes.
Perjury.
Bribery.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States.
Campaign finance violation.
Negligent homicide.
Several banking crimes related to loans.
Insurance fraud.
Ordered or coerced others to break the law.
Money laundering.
Rape.
State and federal tax crimes.
For a pardon, Trump would have to make that list himself.
If he's really intending to pardon himself for anything, that would be hilarious. He would have to point out what he's going to pardon himself for and I guess his list will lack a few matters which his... erm, shimmering personality will prevent him from admitting to them. The dance of his enemies on his political corpse might be entertaining, but I'm aware of their hypocrisy as well.
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Well I guess I did ask for a list. In order to be pardoned he would have to be convicted of something wouldn't he? Besides, I am not sure where that list came from but it sure seems made up, like most of the other things people have said about him. Such as Russian collusion. They spent 3 years talking about that and accusing him of it and impeaching him with zero proof and a made up dossier.
You don't need to be convicted to have committed a crime, just because you aren't convicted doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime. Innocent until proven guilty is a thing sure but it doesn't change the fact that if you committed a crime you committed a crime. New York seems to be lining up to prosecute him as soon as he is out of office.
I mean if you just want the federal laws.
If you want crimes you or I would be jailed for here is a nice break down.
Incorrect. See the Nixon pardon. Ford only stipulated the date range, not the actual crimes.
Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum
www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov
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OK, so he pardoned his buddies and a couple of rappers etc.
I think there's a good reason to allow pardons ba a president. It's a political tool, e.g. in order to avoid prosecution by an unfriendly successor, no matter who's the good guy and who's the bad guy. It's good for the time of passing power from one president to the next, else this process might not happen smoothly enough, e.g. because the current president might try to keep his power out of fear of the next one. If you want it to be a juristic tool, it should need approval by a court, but it doesn't. I think there's a good reason for that, even though people might be pardoned who deserve a prison sentence, one of reason of state which is sometimes a "greater good" than justice.
What remains is the impression it makes on the people. Just don't forget who was accused or convicted of what and got away with it like that.
I think there's a good reason to allow pardons ba a president. It's a political tool, e.g. in order to avoid prosecution by an unfriendly successor, no matter who's the good guy and who's the bad guy. It's good for the time of passing power from one president to the next, else this process might not happen smoothly enough, e.g. because the current president might try to keep his power out of fear of the next one. If you want it to be a juristic tool, it should need approval by a court, but it doesn't. I think there's a good reason for that, even though people might be pardoned who deserve a prison sentence, one of reason of state which is sometimes a "greater good" than justice.
What remains is the impression it makes on the people. Just don't forget who was accused or convicted of what and got away with it like that.
He listened to his lawyers and didn't issue a self pardon or pardons to his kids. He did pardon Bannon who is charged with fraud crimes but not yet convicted.
Bannon is charged with stealing donations sent by MAGAs to build a border wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for. If Donald can steal from the rubes, Bannon should be able to. I don't have a problem with victimless crimes like this one.
Bannon is charged with stealing donations sent by MAGAs to build a border wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for. If Donald can steal from the rubes, Bannon should be able to. I don't have a problem with victimless crimes like this one.