Dii Legend
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You don't have to vote, and you shouldn't not vote just because the person you would vote for has votes already. :tongue:
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OT: Mafia game
- Thread starter Aman
- Start date
Re: OT: Mafia game
You never answered the question. He was aggressively going after me, so you think I should have ignored him?
Ray, explain to me how I was unfair to him. I didn’t go out and say ‘Liquid is after me so I must retaliate in kind!’ - I actually read and reread his posts and made a decision that he was suspicious due to the way he was pursuing me.
I see. So I’m suspicious because I’m not giving analysis on Liquid’s vote wagon, but when I ask you to do it you say there isn’t enough information. A double standard of guilt?
Tell me, what have you contributed to the game, besides deciphering the ‘Zhao … was … here’ message?
You don’t vote or not vote someone based on the number of votes you have but you vote for them if you believe their lynch would be a benefit to the town, either to catch mafia or get rid of unhelpful townies (like lurkers).
However a caveat to that is you generally want to prevent the town from having a No Lynch due to lack of votes. A missed lynch hurts the town.
Ray said:Game 4, and now this game. That's where I got the multiple games.
You never answered the question. He was aggressively going after me, so you think I should have ignored him?
Ray, explain to me how I was unfair to him. I didn’t go out and say ‘Liquid is after me so I must retaliate in kind!’ - I actually read and reread his posts and made a decision that he was suspicious due to the way he was pursuing me.
Ray said:I think it's too early to analyze every move made so far. There just simply isn't enough information to go on. We have one days worth of votes and discussion.
I see. So I’m suspicious because I’m not giving analysis on Liquid’s vote wagon, but when I ask you to do it you say there isn’t enough information. A double standard of guilt?
Tell me, what have you contributed to the game, besides deciphering the ‘Zhao … was … here’ message?
IntellegentX said:I think liquid_evil has enough vote anyways so I am not going to vote him now =X
Or it is a must to vote?
You don’t vote or not vote someone based on the number of votes you have but you vote for them if you believe their lynch would be a benefit to the town, either to catch mafia or get rid of unhelpful townies (like lurkers).
However a caveat to that is you generally want to prevent the town from having a No Lynch due to lack of votes. A missed lynch hurts the town.
BobTheWarrior
New member
Re: OT: Mafia game
Liquid_Evil is not locked in. It takes 9 to lock in a vote, 7 for a majority vote. So, until the end of the day, if someone unvotes L_E, we may not have a lynch. If two more people vote for L_E, without anyone unvoting, then it's a lock.
At this point I don't think either Zhao or L_E are mafia. I hate lynching on the first day, there is so little information to go off of. But I see that it's necessary if we are to weild our only power as a town.
I would be in favor of lynching somoene less vocal and analytical as Zhao or L_E. I've played the SPF games with both of them (and read all the previous games), and I just don't have a mafia read on either of them.
I think we're far more likely to find a mafia hiding as a non-poster, and likely to do less damage to ourselves by lynching a non-poster than someone who posts frequently. What's worse, losing a lurking townie who doesn't contribute, or losing a townie who reads the thread and provides opinions?
But, unless someone does something very out-of-character in the next few hours, I don't see that happening.
I still think Crowd Control wrote that note...
Liquid_Evil is not locked in. It takes 9 to lock in a vote, 7 for a majority vote. So, until the end of the day, if someone unvotes L_E, we may not have a lynch. If two more people vote for L_E, without anyone unvoting, then it's a lock.
At this point I don't think either Zhao or L_E are mafia. I hate lynching on the first day, there is so little information to go off of. But I see that it's necessary if we are to weild our only power as a town.
I would be in favor of lynching somoene less vocal and analytical as Zhao or L_E. I've played the SPF games with both of them (and read all the previous games), and I just don't have a mafia read on either of them.
I think we're far more likely to find a mafia hiding as a non-poster, and likely to do less damage to ourselves by lynching a non-poster than someone who posts frequently. What's worse, losing a lurking townie who doesn't contribute, or losing a townie who reads the thread and provides opinions?
But, unless someone does something very out-of-character in the next few hours, I don't see that happening.
I still think Crowd Control wrote that note...
BobTheWarrior
New member
Re: OT: Mafia game
Looks to me like he has 7, actually. Those silly title tags make it hard to see the bolded votes.
Hey's vote was thrown out, and vorstelman, Soylentred, DiiLegend, and kertin$ have voted for him since your vote tally.
Votes for L_E: Zhao, NoleCub, Orphan, vorstelman, Soylentred, DiiLegend, kertin$
Looks to me like he has 7, actually. Those silly title tags make it hard to see the bolded votes.
Hey's vote was thrown out, and vorstelman, Soylentred, DiiLegend, and kertin$ have voted for him since your vote tally.
Votes for L_E: Zhao, NoleCub, Orphan, vorstelman, Soylentred, DiiLegend, kertin$
Crowd Control
Banned
Re: OT: Mafia game
Welcome to the Pal's Bob. Be sure to post there if you hadn't already.
I'm considering to change my vote. But I don't think Liquid is harmful to Townies. Now there's the dilemma not to use my power to save a possibly innocent life or to go with the flow and hope I was wrong.
Still an hour, eh......
Welcome to the Pal's Bob. Be sure to post there if you hadn't already.
I'm considering to change my vote. But I don't think Liquid is harmful to Townies. Now there's the dilemma not to use my power to save a possibly innocent life or to go with the flow and hope I was wrong.
Still an hour, eh......
Puresummon
New member
Re: OT: Mafia game
Well, I was going to vote for Hey because of lackluster effort to defend himself, but I guess that is out. I don't get a read that Liquid is mafia. Perhaps I am wrong. I will keep reading and try to find something.
Well, I was going to vote for Hey because of lackluster effort to defend himself, but I guess that is out. I don't get a read that Liquid is mafia. Perhaps I am wrong. I will keep reading and try to find something.
Re: OT: Mafia game
unvote Orpha
Vote Liquid_Evil
I don't believe Liq is actually mafia but I do believe that it isn't worth the risk of losing a lynch. It's worth seeing what happens and taking reflection on his posts after tonight.
It still believe that the whole Liq/ZY thing is a smokescreen. I'm more likely to see low posters as mafia. I shouldn't say that as I don't post much anyway but hey ho.
Let's see after the lynch and then have a look at a few suspects from today. I'm looking at Orphan and another Pal of a high level. It's the only thing that fits the note.
unvote Orpha
Vote Liquid_Evil
I don't believe Liq is actually mafia but I do believe that it isn't worth the risk of losing a lynch. It's worth seeing what happens and taking reflection on his posts after tonight.
It still believe that the whole Liq/ZY thing is a smokescreen. I'm more likely to see low posters as mafia. I shouldn't say that as I don't post much anyway but hey ho.
Let's see after the lynch and then have a look at a few suspects from today. I'm looking at Orphan and another Pal of a high level. It's the only thing that fits the note.
Liquid_Evil
New member
Re: OT: Mafia game
Okay peope, here's the deal. Not only am I pro-town, but I'm pro-town with a flippin' role. I am the “Coroner.†If you've played before then you should know my abilities are very similar to that of a witness. Every night I get to (after the mafia has done its thing) examine the bodies to match a role to the identity (i.e. aman PM's me their roles). Here’s what I had so far. Last night, I got the roles of Gorny (plain townie), Serdash (Bomb), and Spigot (plain member of Midnight Killers, Mafia group two). I tried to hint in my first few posts that I knew that there was indeed a Bomb and multiple mafia groups in case I was killed the next night and a savvy person was rereading my posts.
Well, my main target is dead (which I think was actually good for the town) so I'm going to vote for someone else that I didn't like (not that it matters at this point), but check him out tomorrow maybe.
unvote Hey
vote Nolecub
Okay peope, here's the deal. Not only am I pro-town, but I'm pro-town with a flippin' role. I am the “Coroner.†If you've played before then you should know my abilities are very similar to that of a witness. Every night I get to (after the mafia has done its thing) examine the bodies to match a role to the identity (i.e. aman PM's me their roles). Here’s what I had so far. Last night, I got the roles of Gorny (plain townie), Serdash (Bomb), and Spigot (plain member of Midnight Killers, Mafia group two). I tried to hint in my first few posts that I knew that there was indeed a Bomb and multiple mafia groups in case I was killed the next night and a savvy person was rereading my posts.
Well, my main target is dead (which I think was actually good for the town) so I'm going to vote for someone else that I didn't like (not that it matters at this point), but check him out tomorrow maybe.
unvote Hey
vote Nolecub
BobTheWarrior
New member
Re: OT: Mafia game
Unvote: Crowd Control
Vote: Nolecub
We don't have much time, Liquid_Evil is not a mafia, and we need to lynch someone. I'm not getting any support trying to lynch Crowd Control, and Nolecub hasn't been incredibly helpful.
Thanks for comming forward Liquid. I'm going to quote a bit of your post for emphasis:
There are two mafia factions. This game is hard enough to win against a single mafia group, two can't be any easier. I hope everyone gets a chance to change their vote prior to days end.
Unvote: Crowd Control
Vote: Nolecub
We don't have much time, Liquid_Evil is not a mafia, and we need to lynch someone. I'm not getting any support trying to lynch Crowd Control, and Nolecub hasn't been incredibly helpful.
Thanks for comming forward Liquid. I'm going to quote a bit of your post for emphasis:
Liquid_Evil said:...of Midnight Killers, Mafia group two...
There are two mafia factions. This game is hard enough to win against a single mafia group, two can't be any easier. I hope everyone gets a chance to change their vote prior to days end.
Ray Patean
New member
Re: OT: Mafia game
I had some suspicions about Nolecub earlier. I didn't like how he was trying to corner Liquid earlier, and seeing as how Liquid is so close to a lynch...
Vote: Nolecub
I had some suspicions about Nolecub earlier. I didn't like how he was trying to corner Liquid earlier, and seeing as how Liquid is so close to a lynch...
Vote: Nolecub
Puresummon
New member
Re: OT: Mafia game
I find it odd that Nolecub has been strangely silent since the back and forth between him and Liquid. Liquid has at least made a continued effort to come forward and keep involved. Since we are almost out of time.
Vote: Nolecub
I find it odd that Nolecub has been strangely silent since the back and forth between him and Liquid. Liquid has at least made a continued effort to come forward and keep involved. Since we are almost out of time.
Vote: Nolecub
Crowd Control
Banned
Re: OT: Mafia game
unvote: Ray
vote: Nolecub
Either this is VERY good acting with desperation, or this piece of information is very very vital. We can be sure it's the truth if he doesn't make it through the night. You brought alot of information just out of 3 dead bodies.
unvote: Ray
vote: Nolecub
Either this is VERY good acting with desperation, or this piece of information is very very vital. We can be sure it's the truth if he doesn't make it through the night. You brought alot of information just out of 3 dead bodies.
Re: OT: Mafia game
Back from work:
Not quite the post I was hoping to read.
Liquid_Evil's tale today has been interesting to see. I have to confess, despite his early weak vote on Zhao, I didn't get an anti-town vibe while reading his posts. Not from either of them, even during the back and forth posts between them. I'm still unsure about both though. That's an interesting role claim, due to the fact that there's not much we can do to disprove it if he is lying.
Gorny's role and Serdash's roles can't be checked. Liq's claim can be verified by lynching another mafia player who belongs to Midnight Killers. On the other hand, we need to lynch members of two mafia groups to be fairly sure this claim is false and even then neither can be called Midnight Killers. This is if we even find out the name of the group the lynchee belonged to.
It'd be quite a nice cover claim if I was a mafioso in a corner. Then again, t sounds plausible given that we don't know how many of which roles are in the game.
Need more time to see how this plays out. I'm not willing to vote for a player I think is innocent at the moment, even if it secures a lynch.
So I'm voting for another of the players with a few votes who has given me less of a positive read through the game. Nolecub's seemed to know more than he should a few times through this game. From his sureness that the mafia had killed Gorny (at a time where no one had any form of evidence there might be two factions) to the odd use of a wiki link on a reference in the note I haven't seen much by him that reassured me. That, and I don't really trust people telling me directly they're a townie.
Unvote: kertin$
Vote: Nolecub
Liq:
Interesting wording in the description of Spigot there. Is that just an assumption that Murder, Inc. are Mafia group one though? Also, the statement of Spigot as a plain mafia member means there are possibly other mafia members with more of a role. We could be facing crooked cops, evil doctors, maybe even roleblockers employed against us. It just depends on where Aman got his inspiration from I guess. I don't know if some of the sites I've seen regarding additional roles are similar to references he's drawing on or if he's just created some of his own ideas.
Interesting though.
Back from work:
I was gonna vot Hey too, based on his first post and the change of his attitude later
but seeing he's already out the mass convinced me to
Vote: Liquid_Evil
Not quite the post I was hoping to read.
Liquid_Evil's tale today has been interesting to see. I have to confess, despite his early weak vote on Zhao, I didn't get an anti-town vibe while reading his posts. Not from either of them, even during the back and forth posts between them. I'm still unsure about both though. That's an interesting role claim, due to the fact that there's not much we can do to disprove it if he is lying.
Gorny's role and Serdash's roles can't be checked. Liq's claim can be verified by lynching another mafia player who belongs to Midnight Killers. On the other hand, we need to lynch members of two mafia groups to be fairly sure this claim is false and even then neither can be called Midnight Killers. This is if we even find out the name of the group the lynchee belonged to.
It'd be quite a nice cover claim if I was a mafioso in a corner. Then again, t sounds plausible given that we don't know how many of which roles are in the game.
Need more time to see how this plays out. I'm not willing to vote for a player I think is innocent at the moment, even if it secures a lynch.
So I'm voting for another of the players with a few votes who has given me less of a positive read through the game. Nolecub's seemed to know more than he should a few times through this game. From his sureness that the mafia had killed Gorny (at a time where no one had any form of evidence there might be two factions) to the odd use of a wiki link on a reference in the note I haven't seen much by him that reassured me. That, and I don't really trust people telling me directly they're a townie.
Unvote: kertin$
Vote: Nolecub
Liq:
...Spigot (plain member of Midnight Killers, Mafia group two).
Interesting wording in the description of Spigot there. Is that just an assumption that Murder, Inc. are Mafia group one though? Also, the statement of Spigot as a plain mafia member means there are possibly other mafia members with more of a role. We could be facing crooked cops, evil doctors, maybe even roleblockers employed against us. It just depends on where Aman got his inspiration from I guess. I don't know if some of the sites I've seen regarding additional roles are similar to references he's drawing on or if he's just created some of his own ideas.
Interesting though.
Re: OT: Mafia game
Liquid is false claiming. He's going to kill me tonight and say he investigated me and found out I was mafia. I can't believe you people are buying into it, given his suspicious behaviour today.
Oh well, I guess I die on Night 2. Don't worry, I'm used to dying early.
Liquid is false claiming. He's going to kill me tonight and say he investigated me and found out I was mafia. I can't believe you people are buying into it, given his suspicious behaviour today.
Oh well, I guess I die on Night 2. Don't worry, I'm used to dying early.
Ray Patean
New member
Re: OT: Mafia game
Liquid's vote for you came with this...
Oh yes, Liquid came after you extremely aggressively.
Putting words in my mouth? I never once said you were unfair to him. I just said that I didn't like how quickly you retaliated with a vote on him. I like it even less now that Liquid has told us his role.
Again, I never said that, and you're putting words in my mouth to try and make me look suspicious. The only thing I said about the fast bandwagon against Liq was that it was suspicious because, like the bandwagon against you, there was little actual reasoning for the votes.
What do you want me to contribute? Do you want me to make pointless posts about the game? I've commented when I've had something to comment on.
Would you rather I try and get everyone to lynch a power role?
He was aggressively going after me, so you think I should have ignored him?
Liquid's vote for you came with this...
Liquid said:So, to help reach that magic 10, I'm gonna throw my vote into the Zhao pool for the moment. No hunches, I was just terribly disappionted in his response to the first two votes. From his SP play, we can usually count on him to throw out at least a couple non-sensical tables and a pot full of over-analyzations.
Vote: Zhao_Yue
Change my mind or keep my vote.
Oh yes, Liquid came after you extremely aggressively.
Zhao said:Ray, explain to me how I was unfair to him. I didn’t go out and say ‘Liquid is after me so I must retaliate in kind!’ - I actually read and reread his posts and made a decision that he was suspicious due to the way he was pursuing me.
Putting words in my mouth? I never once said you were unfair to him. I just said that I didn't like how quickly you retaliated with a vote on him. I like it even less now that Liquid has told us his role.
Zhao said:I see. So I’m suspicious because I’m not giving analysis on Liquid’s vote wagon, but when I ask you to do it you say there isn’t enough information. A double standard of guilt?
Again, I never said that, and you're putting words in my mouth to try and make me look suspicious. The only thing I said about the fast bandwagon against Liq was that it was suspicious because, like the bandwagon against you, there was little actual reasoning for the votes.
Zhao said:Tell me, what have you contributed to the game, besides deciphering the ‘Zhao … was … here’ message?
What do you want me to contribute? Do you want me to make pointless posts about the game? I've commented when I've had something to comment on.
Would you rather I try and get everyone to lynch a power role?
Dii Legend
Banned
I have a question about the "bomb" role. From what I've read it sounds like the person that targets "the bomb" will infact be killed themselves. But what becomes of the bomber? Is this person killed also, sort of like a suicide attack, or does only the person (or group of persons?) that targeted him get killed?
