OT: Mafia game

[Ray Patean]

Zhao: I think there is a little more than meets the eye in the note that the killer left at Gorny's.

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

Zhao: I think there is a little more than meets the eye in the note that the killer left at Gorny's.

Let me guess, you're not going to share the information because you suspect a few people, but don't want to tip them off. Last time you refused to share information, your were anti-town ...

 

[Liquid_Evil]

You're voting for the main lynch train, which is consistent with how you play when you don't have a good reason not to suspect the target. But your reasoning for voting Zhao doesn't just include that. Sure, you touch on the need to get a lynch each day, but we're barely an 8th through the first day here. Why the rush?

I don't know these community guys and want to make sure they know where I'm coming from early on because I usually have to repeat myself multiple times every game. Lynching every day is beneficial because it is the only chance to kill mafia!

Secondly, your additional reasons for voting Zhao are because he tends to provide a lot of analysis on the events taking place.

Uh...read what I wrote again. It was not meant to be complimentory of his play-style. "Non-sensical" and "over-analyzation" are not good things.

I'm surprised at Liquid because I'm familar with his playstyle. I would have expected him to analyze my vote wagon. I know he believes in getting the lynch, but like you said Sitro, casting his vote so early with not much to go on is unusual.

Well for starters it's hard to really *analyze* people that I don't know, but my vote does help to push you into a corner Zhao. When you're in a corner, you start to act like Zhao and I need to know for sure since you're one of the few I do know. It's the first day so I'm gonna sit with the majority to help secure a lynch, period. I know that it's early yet and the majority will undoubtedly shift throughout the rest of the day. Like I said before though, it's fine since it's so early in the game, but I don't want people to begin to secondguess the benefits of stringing someone up. We don't kill, we get killed, it's that simple and it's usually day 19 before people start to really understand that. With the current info and Zhao's unsual lack of participation, he is as good as the next for the time being and I am really surprised that SiTro was able to sway so many of you from change. My list of main suspects has been laid out in my previous posts but so far is Thyiad (just for being alive, so it's more of a gut thing) and Nolecub (for being so matter-of-fact when he couldn't know certain things if he was a townie).

 

[Ray Patean]

No Zhao, I was trying to protect you for a little while. I've gone after you in both the games I've played, and wanted to change it up a little here. If you are a townie, you are a good person to have around.

However, you want me to bring it up.

"Zhao watch out lest you be next...was as quite a lot of blood to spill...here in the home of my favorite mod."

This is very specifically written, with breaks between certain words.

Zhao....was.....here.

Are you brazen enough to leave such a message? I seem to remember you talking in codes in another mafia game...a game in which you were a mafioso.

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

Well for starters it's hard to really *analyze* people that I don't know, ...

That's BS. You didn't ask Sitro why he was sure. And you had 4 people quickly bandwagon me. Yet you made no mention of them.

We don't kill, we get killed, it's that simple and it's usually day 19 before people start to really understand that.

So you prefer to basically lynch randomly for the first few days just to get those lynches in. Like I said before, I can understand you attitude if we were nearing the end of the day and we were in danger of a no lynch, but your posting style in this game gives me bad vibes.

With the current info and Zhao's unsual lack of participation, he is as good as the next for the time being

So because I'm not posting alot, I'm a good lynch.

and I am really surprised that SiTro was able to sway so many of you from change.

No comment on his analysis? Ever think that with everyone backing off my wagon, one of the mafia is blending in with them?


I don't trust you at all this game Liquid.

Vote: Liquid_Evil

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

No Zhao, I was trying to protect you for a little while. I've gone after you in both the games I've played, and wanted to change it up a little here. If you are a townie, you are a good person to have around.

However, you want me to bring it up.



This is very specifically written, with breaks between certain words.

Zhao....was.....here.

Are you brazen enough to leave such a message? I seem to remember you talking in codes in another mafia game...a game in which you were a mafioso.

Oh I see, I didn't even notice that. If the mafia want to try to use circular logic to nail me again, then so be it. They were probably going to try to use anything against me anyways.

In the other game, I was about to be lynched so I was trying to send a crypitc message to my team on who I thought need to be night killed. This message serves no purpose for me.

 

[Liquid_Evil]

That's BS. You didn't ask Sitro why he was sure. And you had 4 people quickly bandwagon me. Yet you made no mention of them.

Read. My. Posts. You'll look like less of an idiot.

So you prefer to basically lynch randomly for the first few days just to get those lynches in.

For the first day, it's just a guessing game and you're using your amazing over-analysis talents to try and pretend otherwise.

I don't trust you at all this game Liquid.

You NEVER trust me and every single time you've been either wrong or Mafia.

I didn't really like your response to Ray's little code thing. If anyone was arrogant enough to write that, it would be you. Every SP'er here can attest to that. (and I'm gonna puke if I hear any more garbage about circle logic...you do this every game)

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

Yeah, you're definately different this game. You've never restored to calling me an idiot.

 

[Liquid_Evil]

I think I've always been pretty consistently snippy with you.

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

I think I've always been pretty consistently snippy with you.

Yes, but name calling is a first.

For the first day, it's just a guessing game and you're using your amazing over-analysis talents to try and pretend otherwise.

Seems like you're already convinced that I am mafia.

I didn't really like your response to Ray's little code thing. If anyone was arrogant enough to write that, it would be you. Every SP'er here can attest to that. (and I'm gonna puke if I hear any more garbage about circle logic...you do this every game)

I've died early in Game 5 and 6 so you think I thought to test my luck and pull something like this? I do want to try to play to at least mid-game and to pull a stunt like this is unnecessary.

In Game 6, Ray used circular logic to get me wrongfully lynched and he can attest to that. To say I use circular logic in every game is false, because Game 6 is the first time it was used against me.

I happy with my vote as I can see that Liquid is stretching things to make me look more guilty. Feels exactly how JJscud & Ray treated me in Game 6.

 

[IntelligentX]

May I ask who has the highest number of votes now?

 

[Liquid_Evil]

This is my current tally. Someone can double-check me.

Zhao_Yue- 2
Liquid_Evil-1
Orphan-1
Thyiad-1
Crowd Control-1

 

[Nolecub]

Lots of llures in the lake early in the game. Too late to sort them all out now. That is a job better left for when I am at work tomorrow.

 

[Flip10thMtn]

Yup

That's my tally too Liquid_Evil.

Many votes then un-votes for Zhao plus just random votes on each of the others. :scratch:

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

Since Liquid has gone silent, I’m going to take a guess that he is not going to take the time to help out and analyze my vote wagon, so I’ll do it myself. Like I mentioned before, with so many people bandwagoniing me so early in the day, I would bet that there is at least one anti-town on my wagon.

… and it came down to yourself and Thyiad. Then I chose you based on the fact you might even be responsible for my early death in the last round we played.

For the record, I was a Cultist in Game 6, so I had no killing ability.

Your analysis in #46 seems a sincere attemp to help the town, so it makes me believe that you are not anti-town.

I'm with the last post of first page.


Vote: Zhao_Yue

I think this is quite apparent, so I'm voting this guy to be lynched :O.

Now that I think about it, I don't really remember why I voted him, but I'll keep my vote on him till I find a "better suited" person for my vote ^.^.

So you don't think that reasoning is needed behind your vote. You'll just lynch whomever is convienient for you?

No, I won't. anyways, since I'm probably not gonna be on as much from now till next "Day":

Unvote Zhao_Yue

You never explained what was quite apparent that made me guilty. When Sitro’s analysis brought up the question on this, you said you didn’t remember. Forget why you voted in a span of 4 hours? Then when I approached you about it, you backed off and went into lurk mode. That does not sit well with me.

SiTro: I guess you're right. I thought you might've intuitive enough to pick up what I saw when I read that Gorny was killed.

I believe Ray is not anti-town because he could have immediately come out and used his discovery against me, catching me by surprise.

Anyway, there's still quite a few people that haven't posted (and that's okay for now), but I want to stress that if we don't get a lynch every single day, then the town loses out on its potential to kill mafiosos. Quite simply, its only power.

So, to help reach that magic 10, I'm gonna throw my vote into the Zhao pool for the moment. No hunches, I was just terribly disappionted in his response to the first two votes. From his SP play, we can usually count on him to throw out at least a couple non-sensical tables and a pot full of over-analyzations.

So basically it’s 5 hours into the day and not everyone has posted, but already you are pushing for a lynch. Your reasoning being because I didn’t post a lot.

At that point in the game, didn’t you say yourself there was not much information to go on? So how did you expect me to have an abundance of analysis? Also I don’t make tables … that’s Sint’s forte.

When you placed your vote, #5 and #6 were minutes after. Would you have wanted an additional 4 votes casted on me so I would be quick lynched?

Gorny seems primary target in every mafia game =X

Anyway I will follow the crowd...

Vote: Zhao_Yue

Is there a reason why you needed to say Gorny was a primary target? It feels almost like taunting.

You never address Sitro’s analysis to you. Why do you think bandwagoning a 5th vote with no reasoning is ok?

I agree. I think mentioning his name in the note could be an attempt at a smoke screen. I, too, would like to see some more posts before I cast my vote, but for right now:
Zhao_Yue

I think maybe my prior post was unclear. When I said it could be a smokescreen I meant that Zhao could have written his own name on the note. After thinking about it and reading some more discussion, I realize I may have been a bit hasty. I am not convinced yet that Zhao did not write the note, but forty-eight hours is a long time and much can happen.

Also, I do not know if my first vote was counted or not since I did not insert vote: (thanks for pointing that out to me). Either way, just in case it was counted:

Unvote: Zhao_Yue

I believe Pursummons as he provided some reasoning, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Hey]

I went into "lurk mode" because I had to go to sleep. Awesome.

In four hours I can do a lot, and I don't take the time to remember every little tidbit of which I did, plus I was dueling on d2 quite a bit, which takes more then just idea speculation. I'll be glad to answer any questions I can, but the reason I went into "lurk mode" as you put it yesterday, is because I had to go.

 

[IntelligentX]

@ Zhao_Yue: Actually that is not a taunt - in previous CF Mafia game, Gorny is quite like the first one being killed iirc.

And for your vote... It is totally random, not based on anything besides follow the crowd.

And looks like you do spend some time on typing too! :laugh:

 

[Crowd Control]

Ok, I'm back. Great party yesterday btw. Anyway, I had a lot to catch up with concerning this thread.

I'll start with sayin I was absolutely surprised that there were 3 kills in one night, the opening night!! I can only say that whichever way Aman structured the game this couldn't possibly meant to have happened. 3 kills is alot.

As to suspicions and stuff: I don't get why Zhao was mentioned in the message. There's a couple of options why he was mentioned:
- The Mafia wants the town to lynch Zhao just to lure away any suspicion to them
- Zhao is Mafia and suspects we see through the above option and leave him alon
- Someone within the Mafia has an innate hate against Zhao

Now all 3 are very plausible, but I think the 2nd option is too risky. As a Mafia it's very risky to expose yourself like that and expect everyone to see through this. Option 1 is and stays very plausible. But the 3rd option however is special. The difference between this Mafia game and the others is that there's 3 people who always compete against eachother, namely: Aman vs Zhao vs Liquid. Since Aman hosts and probably has a neutral role that automatically makes Liquid suspcicious. The latter two are dominating the thread already. So let me say that Liquid is on my radar.

The 2nd thing that caught my eye is the sudden increase and drop in votes against Zhao, which is mentioned before. Iirc Sitro was first to uncast his vote in which was instantly followed for no apparent reason. Especially Ray didn't seem to have a good reason to do so. Therefore Ray Patean look suspicious to me too.

Lastly I just want to mention I might just go for my gutfeeling. That one is directed against Thyiad, but I can't give any solid reasons to do so yet.

 

[Liquid_Evil]

I’m going to take a guess that he is not going to take the time to help out and analyze my vote wagon, so I’ll do it myself.

Patience. I looked over the wagon and have reread all the posts a couple times. I noticed two things in particular (one you touched on, and one you didn't).

-There's something a little different about SiTro than his persona from previous games. This game he started off with some rhyming Riddler dialogue and has swayed the votes both for and against Zhao. I've never seen him act quite like this (or really command the masses as efficiently), though motivating people to secure a lynch is far from a bad thing in my book, he needs to be kept at arm's length for a while until I can feel him out better. The new persona isn't a total surprise though as he finished the last mafia game telling everyone that he wanted to try something new. No read.

-Hey’s discrepancies. From this “I think this is quite apparent†to this “I don't really remember why I voted him†is bizarre to say the least. I had been expecting a post from him detailing the apparentness of a Zhao vote and was terribly disappointed in the response. He cited in his last post that he doesn’t remember every little tidbit of info. If it was as apparent as he originally claimed, it should have been apparent enough to spot again, even if his memory is as poor as he makes it out to be (which I find it hard to believe is). He either lied about the apparentness of what he found or lied afterwards about forgetting it. No reason for a town role to lie in these early stages (or arguably ever). Anti-town read.

 

[Flip10thMtn]

Mod vs Mod?

Vote Orphan

I think he killed Gorny based on the note.

Not sure when I can get back on so I'll go with Thyiad's hunch?

Vote: Orphan