OT: Enjoy the Mal
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Valar-Wrath
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Now I'm sure of it. Pittsburgh goes home next week. Rookie quarterbacks just won't cut it in the playoffs.
TheCerberus
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Yes, play like that and it'll be terrible. Letting the offense score 3 points is outrageous. And allowing the easiest plays in the book to succeed, a punt return and interception return, fire Cowher immediately.cougar said:
Roethlisberger played like crap, and Whisenhunt called some terrible plays. Other than that, the team played extremely well. The Steelers did get lucky, but I throw that out when the other team only has 3 points off of offense.
Steelers offense can't keep pace with Colts. Thats true. However, they can score just as easily as the Colts, surprisingly. Its called the running game. Lets say the Colts take 3 minutes to score. Steelers get the ball, and 8 minutes later, its 7-7. It keeps the defense fresh.
Steelers can't score on Patriots? WHAT? 34-20. With two garbage time TDs from Brady. Sad that its garbage time in the 3rd quarter, but thats the extent to which the Pats got dominated. Spare me the Bellichick factor nonsense, he was pretty bad with the Browns.
EDIT: The Patriots secondary was torn to pieces by the Bengals. Enough said. And I fail to see why Ben Roethlisberger can't make it to the Super Bowl, when Tom Brady did it in 2001 as a first year player with very mediocre performances? Granted, he did have the tuck rule, but the Steelers are a much better team than that Patriots team.
Valar-Wrath
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One word...Playoffs.
hmm posted this before forums ate it up...
You're equating the Jets offense with the Colts offense? Let me be the first to say....
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I hate to tell you this, should the Steelers and Colts meet, the Colts won't be held to 3 points offensively. Thusly, if the Steelers make the same mistakes on special teams and offense, the game will be over quick. And stats would disagree with the Steelers scoring just as easily as the Colts. As the Colts led the league in scoring.
And no, it's not "enough said" when talking about the Bengals. The Bengals were a solid team who had the most players on IR in the league. Most of them being on defense, with like 3 of those in the linebacking core. I'm a Bengals fan and i've watched every game they've played all season. Carson Palmer got hot towards the end of the season. No one in the league can shut down Chad Johnson, and T.J. Houshmanzadeh is a receiver whose stock is growing every year. Palmer's passer rating during his last 6 games of the year was 96.9, it was in the 60's previously. Signs of a quarterback coming into his own throughout the year. Had he not got hurt in the 3rd quarter of the pats game, I feel they would've pulled it off.
Colts gotta win today first.. otherwise it's a moot point.
You're equating the Jets offense with the Colts offense? Let me be the first to say....
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I hate to tell you this, should the Steelers and Colts meet, the Colts won't be held to 3 points offensively. Thusly, if the Steelers make the same mistakes on special teams and offense, the game will be over quick. And stats would disagree with the Steelers scoring just as easily as the Colts. As the Colts led the league in scoring.
And no, it's not "enough said" when talking about the Bengals. The Bengals were a solid team who had the most players on IR in the league. Most of them being on defense, with like 3 of those in the linebacking core. I'm a Bengals fan and i've watched every game they've played all season. Carson Palmer got hot towards the end of the season. No one in the league can shut down Chad Johnson, and T.J. Houshmanzadeh is a receiver whose stock is growing every year. Palmer's passer rating during his last 6 games of the year was 96.9, it was in the 60's previously. Signs of a quarterback coming into his own throughout the year. Had he not got hurt in the 3rd quarter of the pats game, I feel they would've pulled it off.
Colts gotta win today first.. otherwise it's a moot point.
TheCerberus
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cougar said:
I'm aware that the playoffs are different. But are they that different that an anemic defense suddenly will be able to stop the best rushing offense in the league?
Let me take the Bengals game first. I know that the Bengals have a very good passing offense, Rudi Johnson can be damn good on his own too. It is possible to contain Chad, I had him on my FF team and he sucked it up until the Denver game. The Steelers play them twice a year, and when they contained Chad, Rudi had a big day, and vice versa. However, if my memory serves me correctly, Seymour played in that game. He will not be playing today. But you do agree that the Colts are a better offense right? Thats what I meant by "Enough said." Peyton Manning is a lot more accurate than Palmer is. Chad Johnson is a lesser version of Harrison, maybe even Wayne. The Colts have 5 players with 5+ recieveing TDs. Exactly who on the Patriots defense will step up to pick off Manning? Earthwind Morehead or Randall Gay? If the Bengals could score that much with 2 quality recievers and a good RB, what can the Colts do with 5 quality recievers and a good RB?
You're right, Jets don't compare to the Colts in terms of offense. However, I never compared them. You said if the Steelers play like they did yesterday, the Patriots and Colts would kill them. Thats where I disagree. The Steelers performance was marred by TWO PLAYS. The defense played wonderfully, and there's no doubt in my mind that they can do the same to the Patriots. They can't do that to the Colts, but they can slow them down. There were only 2 plays that went badly on ST, the punt return and one of the kick returns.
The offense in general did well. The running game performed extremely well, except for the fumble. I'm not worried about that, it was his first of the year. The secondary for the Jets is much, much better than the Patriots or Colts, so whats there to expect except for improvement for Rothlisberger?
You're misunderstanding the stats when it comes to scoring. The Colts probably have a much higher scoring average than the Steelers, but that comes down to 3 things. 1, caliber of opponent's offense. 3, caliber of opponent's defense. 2, their method of attack. The only team in their division who matched up well to them was Jacksonville. Why? Because the Jaguars can pound the ball and control the clock. Their defense was good. The Colts take a very short time to score, and thus can score a lot more in a given time than the Steelers. Thats true. But that doesn't mean the Steelers can't keep pace. Look at the 2nd Jacksonville game; it can be done.
Valar-Wrath
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I'm still looking to make bets...
Cerberus, do you still play? If so, what realm?
Edit: Just saw the weather in NE and it doesn't look good for the Colts.
Cerberus, do you still play? If so, what realm?
Edit: Just saw the weather in NE and it doesn't look good for the Colts.
TheCerberus
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Wow did the weather take a 180 or what? A Patriots fan was telling me 30 minutes before the game that the weather was going to be clear, but the field a little rough. Just shows that finesse dome teams can't really handle it December through January. And sorry Valar, I did play East, but SC. I have about 100 SoJs and probably that same amount in items if you wanted, but my characters have probably expired or stripped by my friend.Valar-Wrath said:I'm still looking to make bets...
Cerberus, do you still play? If so, what realm?
Edit: Just saw the weather in NE and it doesn't look good for the Colts.
Alright guys, here's the gameplan for Sunday at Heinz Field, ~35 degrees most likely.
Patriots Offense:
Tom Brady - Very experienced in playoffs, and can deliver clutch throws when he's given time. However, put pressure on him, (see Pittsburgh and Miami), he flusters and makes terrible throws. His team rises and falls with him.
Corey Dillon - Very good runner, not as fast as say Priest Holmes or LT2, but he can power you while being nimble, much like LaMont Jordan, Rudi Johnson, or Jamal Lewis. There's a 80% chance he'll be held to around 80 yards in the game however, because you just can't run against the Steelers.
Deion Branch/David Givens/David Patten - Branch is Brady's favorite, Givens is pretty agile. Nothing outstanding like Moss or Owens, nor speedy like Chad Johnson or Kennison, but they get it done. Patten had the majority of the TDs.
Offensive Line/Tight Ends - They did a average job of protecting Brady this year, and were very good in opening lanes. Allowed 26 sacks.
Steelers Offense:
Big Ben - Inexperienced in the playoffs, had a very bad outing against the Jets. However, the Jets were also the best team against him this year. Can scramble very well, and gets the 2nd most yards per attempt in the entire league. Throws well on the run, but tends to take sacks easily. ROOKIE
Jerome Bettis/Duce Staley - 2 headed monster, 2nd best rushing attack in the league. To put it simply, they can't be stopped. They ran over the Patriots, Eagles, Ravens, Washington, Jets... can't be stopped. Duce Staley has had a bad hamstring injury, but looked very good this week and should be full health next week. Jerome Bettis can run over players, and then sidestep them.
Plaxico Burress/Hines Ward/Randel El - Plaxico Burress stretches the field, and is Ben's favorite target because he can throw it up and Plax will get it (Cunningham to Moss). It opens up Hines Ward, who is one of the best recievers in the league. Doesn't drop balls, even in rain, best blocking WR, and can run. Randel El brings trickery, and is on par with Stokely as the best slot WR in the league. TEs are rarely used.
Offensive Line - At the beginning and end of the season, they rarely allowed sacks. However, for about 5 weeks, the sacks poured in. Regardless, they are the best pulling line in the league, with 2 Pro-Bowlers.
I'll do the defenses some other time. I don't really know much about the Patriots defense.
Wasn't really a game of mistakes. Mostly just New England dominating every facet of the game. Weather didn't really help much either.
I didn't think that time of possession would matter very much since the Colts were something like 15th in that during the season. But I stand corrected. The Colts offense was kept off the field while the Pats offense just kept pounding the ball and taking off time. Perfectly executed game plan.
Don't give up the big play, don't turn the ball over, and take all the time off the clock.
Yet another year where all the teams left in the playoffs I don't give a crap about. Guess I gotta find something else to do next Sunday.
Argh I hate the Patriots.
I didn't think that time of possession would matter very much since the Colts were something like 15th in that during the season. But I stand corrected. The Colts offense was kept off the field while the Pats offense just kept pounding the ball and taking off time. Perfectly executed game plan.
Don't give up the big play, don't turn the ball over, and take all the time off the clock.
Yet another year where all the teams left in the playoffs I don't give a crap about. Guess I gotta find something else to do next Sunday.
Argh I hate the Patriots.
Valar-Wrath
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Hmm, just got back. 20-3 Pats, did I not tell you guys? I love being right (I'm not trying to sound like an ass or anything, it just didn't seem like anyone was thinking NE would win and I didn't know why.)
Anyways, back to betting. Jules, do you want to bet on the NE/Pitt game?
(I'm not trying to sound like an ass or anything, it just didn't seem like anyone was thinking NE would win and I didn't know why.)Anyways, back to betting. Jules, do you want to bet on the NE/Pitt game?
Valar-Wrath
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cougar said:
So you really think the weather had everything to do with the Colts only scoring 3 points? Give the NE Defense atleast a little credit.
"Wow did the weather take a 180 or what? A Patriots fan was telling me 30 minutes before the game that the weather was going to be clear, but the field a little rough. Just shows that finesse dome teams can't really handle it December through January."
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Hmm, it seems like me and Valar were pretty dead on...
"Since when are you right anyways >.<" -Jules, regarding Valar
Cheers
-Tai
Tai. 1
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Hmm, it seems like me and Valar were pretty dead on...
"Since when are you right anyways >.<" -Jules, regarding Valar
Cheers
-Tai
TheCerberus
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I actually do think the weather had an effect. Since when did the Colts recievers look like freakin' Seattle? After they realized they couldn't throw the ball 60% of the time they should've gone to running, but they decided to get owned.
Patriots played well today, but for the first half of the game is was equally ugly on both sides of the ball. Patriots were able to pull away though.
Patriots played well today, but for the first half of the game is was equally ugly on both sides of the ball. Patriots were able to pull away though.
CookiesnCream
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TheCerberus said:
Yeah the defense couldn't stop Dillon and Stokley looked like a receiver from Seattle. Those dropped passes killed momentum and they couldn't get drives going. The Pats Linebackers did a good job of putting pressure on Manning, but someone always chokes when the colts play NE. Last year it was Manning, in the seaon opener this year, it was James, and today it was the defense(not surprising) and the WRs(especially Stokley).
Valar-Wrath
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HAH! I didn't even see that. Thanks for bringing that back up Tai
Of course it had an effect. Foxboro is always hard to play at because of the weather. But like I said, I don't think it had EVERYTHING to do with the Pats owning the Colts today. NE played well and they're my pick to win the Superbowl....again...
