Necro Summoner Guide (Incontestable Greatness)
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Master Zap
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I'm surprised this been mentioned yet, but one of the fundamental arguments the OP makes for not using a A2 merc is death to im. He rationalizes that a infinity IG is better to fit this slot.
Besides the random poofing, an inffin-IG is using a 350% ed 40%cb stick thats virtually auto-hitting anything it swings at is vulnerable to IM. The merc costs 50K to revive, not a big deal. Losing the IG to both bnet randomness and death to im negates the IM argument. Sure you can use a low damage wep, but if your not ontop of it, he'll still kill himself to im in a couple wacks, just like the merc would. This is sometimes harder then one thinks when you've a 30-40 part army on your screen in addition to whatever you happened to partied with.
It's not hard to hit the goals of 125 fcr and 86fhr on the usual fishy setup. ( my opinion is 125 is not necessary and provides for a less sturdy summoner)
I dont see anything fundamentally different from the core summoner guides already reviewed and stickied. This reminds me of TYRANNICIDES , needlessly expensive , somewhat good at couple specific instances but ultimately offering nothing extra and in many cases less then the tried and true.
The tone of superiority I found here is just plain rude.
The damage is less on this build. The merc is far and away the boss killer of summoners and the first corpse ce gatherer. A1 merc yielding a fraction of the damage A2 mercs gross means handicapped kill speed no matter how you cut it and regardless of how many runewords you pop on them.
I'm surprised this been mentioned yet, but one of the fundamental arguments the OP makes for not using a A2 merc is death to im. He rationalizes that a infinity IG is better to fit this slot.
Besides the random poofing, an inffin-IG is using a 350% ed 40%cb stick thats virtually auto-hitting anything it swings at is vulnerable to IM. The merc costs 50K to revive, not a big deal. Losing the IG to both bnet randomness and death to im negates the IM argument. Sure you can use a low damage wep, but if your not ontop of it, he'll still kill himself to im in a couple wacks, just like the merc would. This is sometimes harder then one thinks when you've a 30-40 part army on your screen in addition to whatever you happened to partied with.
It's not hard to hit the goals of 125 fcr and 86fhr on the usual fishy setup. ( my opinion is 125 is not necessary and provides for a less sturdy summoner)
I dont see anything fundamentally different from the core summoner guides already reviewed and stickied. This reminds me of TYRANNICIDES , needlessly expensive , somewhat good at couple specific instances but ultimately offering nothing extra and in many cases less then the tried and true.
The tone of superiority I found here is just plain rude.
The damage is less on this build. The merc is far and away the boss killer of summoners and the first corpse ce gatherer. A1 merc yielding a fraction of the damage A2 mercs gross means handicapped kill speed no matter how you cut it and regardless of how many runewords you pop on them.
mii_the_people
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Re: Necro Summoner Guide (Incontestable Greatness)
why won't you people let this thread die? the OP left after being a d-bag. arguments have occured. no real progress has been made. no progress will be made, because said op has moved on. why can't we move on from the thread?
why won't you people let this thread die? the OP left after being a d-bag. arguments have occured. no real progress has been made. no progress will be made, because said op has moved on. why can't we move on from the thread?
Re: Necro Summoner Guide (Incontestable Greatness)
I finally made a Faith for A1 Merc to test with my Summoner. The results was better than I expected.
A bit better than a regular A2 Might Merc with Insight. The extra IAS from Fanaticism helps.
Now I can enjoy running CS with my Necro.
Still, it can't compete in terms of damage with an Infinity Merc.
I like to run my Necros at 125 FCR, so I never use Beast for regular gameplay. (Only Ubers)
I finally made a Faith for A1 Merc to test with my Summoner. The results was better than I expected.
A bit better than a regular A2 Might Merc with Insight. The extra IAS from Fanaticism helps.
Now I can enjoy running CS with my Necro.
Still, it can't compete in terms of damage with an Infinity Merc.
I like to run my Necros at 125 FCR, so I never use Beast for regular gameplay. (Only Ubers)
darkninjaskills
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Hey i pretty much did the same except i dont use infinity golem because im doing physical damage so i use a non eth pride golem which give my the conc aura and i have a1 fanta merc and it work extreamly well my golem doesnt die in chaos cause pole wepon only does like 100damage and something damage leaving my skelle doeing mass damage> What do you think about what i did some feed back except for the fcr stuff
my gear is shako, arm of leoric, arach, trang, 1soj 1 bk, p marrows, p mara, lifer summon gcs 20/18 torch 20-18 anni, life res scs
on switch 6bo cta and spirit
merc p faith, 20s giant skull, and bramble
im using a Pride cv golem
this is the stuff i get pride
and higher lvl fanta with bo and bc my skelles do 995 damage each not including auras
Hey i pretty much did the same except i dont use infinity golem because im doing physical damage so i use a non eth pride golem which give my the conc aura and i have a1 fanta merc and it work extreamly well my golem doesnt die in chaos cause pole wepon only does like 100damage and something damage leaving my skelle doeing mass damage> What do you think about what i did some feed back except for the fcr stuff
my gear is shako, arm of leoric, arach, trang, 1soj 1 bk, p marrows, p mara, lifer summon gcs 20/18 torch 20-18 anni, life res scs
on switch 6bo cta and spirit
merc p faith, 20s giant skull, and bramble
im using a Pride cv golem
this is the stuff i get pride
and higher lvl fanta with bo and bc my skelles do 995 damage each not including auras
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darkninjaskills
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oh and one thing also my golem has over 10000life with out bo add another 80something % health with bo thats like 18k life it will take alot of hits when golem has IM
to die
oh and one thing also my golem has over 10000life with out bo add another 80something % health with bo thats like 18k life it will take alot of hits when golem has IM
to die
mephiztophelez
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ARRGH, the HORROR!!!
never speak of it again.:girly:
ARRGH, the HORROR!!!
never speak of it again.:girly:
bill_n_opus1
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Because it's like a mephis ... whatever his name is, car-wreck. You just can't help and slow down and view the carnage.
Apologies to mephiztophelez, of course. :wave:
this is what i've assessed of this kid ...er the OP:
- an "interesting" take on a standard summoner guide - somehow focusing on fcr as creating a viable alternative ideology compared to a general summoner. (yeah, just who is this NightFish dude anyways?! :jig
- he attempts to bully others into accepting his "guide" and then becomes offensive and insulting to those who do not accept it in totality.
- says, because he's not getting accepted and loved unconditionally, that he's going to take his ball and go home, never to be seen again. (yeah, I bet ... when 1.13 is out will we see him again?)
- we still laugh (I wonder if he's finished high school yet?)
- how the heck did I ever miss this thread?
Bump! for mii_the_people.
Because it's like a mephis ... whatever his name is, car-wreck. You just can't help and slow down and view the carnage.
Apologies to mephiztophelez, of course. :wave:
this is what i've assessed of this kid ...er the OP:
- an "interesting" take on a standard summoner guide - somehow focusing on fcr as creating a viable alternative ideology compared to a general summoner. (yeah, just who is this NightFish dude anyways?! :jig
- he attempts to bully others into accepting his "guide" and then becomes offensive and insulting to those who do not accept it in totality.
- says, because he's not getting accepted and loved unconditionally, that he's going to take his ball and go home, never to be seen again. (yeah, I bet ... when 1.13 is out will we see him again?)
- we still laugh (I wonder if he's finished high school yet?)
- how the heck did I ever miss this thread?
Bump! for mii_the_people.
chezzmaster
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Why all that FCR if if you don't max CS, have no bone/poison spells, and don't have insight? Wouldn't it really only help you with tele? I dun get it!
Why all that FCR if if you don't max CS, have no bone/poison spells, and don't have insight? Wouldn't it really only help you with tele? I dun get it!
Taxi Driver
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Using a1 merc = Fail. Beast + Might from A2 merc >>>>>> Faith alone , in total damage output and killing speed. Not to mention a2 merc has better damage, better tank ability, and he is the 1 who often make 1st kill, not your skellies. IM is not everywhere anymore (or I might say nowhere) so he rapes that a1 merc of yours.
Using infi iron golem and seems to be a nice idea at 1st, but see how hard you cry when jumping in a super fast, mana burn group. And dare you swear not to use mana pots constantly? So dont tell people to go for an expensive way while it is worse and more annoying than the cheap old way.
And Carin shard is a nice mid level wand and can be use as end game stuff 4 poor men, but even Hoto (which I personally dislike in favor of Beast) beats it everyday. I wouldnt be so humble calling FHR is **** 4 summon nec but to go for 86 breakpoint and lose tons of other nice mods is plain stupid.
1 to CE in a summon build, LOLLLLLLLLL. You dont know which kill faster, minions or CE, do you? Or you are just totally ignorant about it.
You need as much as 20 Urdars to uber??? I guess it takes you half an hour for an Uber then
Using a1 merc = Fail. Beast + Might from A2 merc >>>>>> Faith alone , in total damage output and killing speed. Not to mention a2 merc has better damage, better tank ability, and he is the 1 who often make 1st kill, not your skellies. IM is not everywhere anymore (or I might say nowhere) so he rapes that a1 merc of yours.
Using infi iron golem and seems to be a nice idea at 1st, but see how hard you cry when jumping in a super fast, mana burn group. And dare you swear not to use mana pots constantly? So dont tell people to go for an expensive way while it is worse and more annoying than the cheap old way.
And Carin shard is a nice mid level wand and can be use as end game stuff 4 poor men, but even Hoto (which I personally dislike in favor of Beast) beats it everyday. I wouldnt be so humble calling FHR is **** 4 summon nec but to go for 86 breakpoint and lose tons of other nice mods is plain stupid.
1 to CE in a summon build, LOLLLLLLLLL. You dont know which kill faster, minions or CE, do you? Or you are just totally ignorant about it.
You need as much as 20 Urdars to uber??? I guess it takes you half an hour for an Uber then
