My new PvP kicksin needs advice!

[Trisk3lion]

My new PvP kicksin needs advice!

It's funny, right now it seems like kicksin is becoming very popular on this forum, wich of caurse is not a bad thing. We need more kicksins and more diskussion around them. So now i like too get my self into the diskussion.
Fo me kickers have always been my nr 1 char, i have made several of them with differant gear and succes but everyone with medium good gear because i have never been rich......till now! So i got my first enigma and of caurse i'm gonna use it on an new kicksin becuase i have read about this new enigma kicksin idea.
So here is mine verision:

First of all skills! I have calculated my skills for lvl 90 because i think its an good level. OW gets it final increase at lvl 90, shure it will be much leveling but it will be worth the time to do it!

20 Dragon Talon
20 Venom
This is what i think the core skills on all kickers. After this it's getting harder
20 Mind Blast
I now this is pretty strange but a maxed MB with 10 skillers have very good stun lenght and pretty nice damage
20 Shadow Master
With all my skillers and +skills from gear i think it can be an pretty good tank. Because of what Speedlander has wrote about his lvl 38 shadow master i think i chose this instead of Dragon flight
8-10 Weapon Block
This i my only defence against casters, with all my +skills i hope to get it to lvl 26 and 60% block
1 point wonder as CoS, BoS, WoF, BShield, BFury, Fade. then all pre requested of caurse

Why not Dragon flight then?
Yes thats a good question, mainly its becasue i'm going to use enigma and then i have teleport. DFlight is very buggy and it's animation is just too long. I dont know how many times i have died because of this!


So now over to the most important part of every kicksin, Equipment!
My Goals are:
Max res on caster switch
Max or close to max PDR% on melee switch
86% Fhr on caster switch
2k+ life
42% FCR (65% will be too hard to get without a 20fcr amu or circlet)

Armor: Enigma BP
This kicksin will be build for enigma, its the only choice right now!

Helm: Shako with um/shael/facet or CoA with um/shael/facet
The absolute best choice here would be an godly circlet with +2 skills/20fcr/str/res but thats too costly for me so its between Shako and CoA. Shako have 1 more skill and very nice life and mana. CoA Have res, 2 sock little more pdr and fhr. Then CoA Has pretty high str req but i dont know if thats a problem because kicksin benefits of high str.

Shield: Stormshield
Their is no one else!

Belt: Arachnid Mesh
I now this looks strange to most of you but i need that 20 fcr to reach the 42% breakpoint and +1 skills is just a plus. Against lightning user i maybe slap a Tgods on if they are too hard!

Gloves: Trang-Oult Bracers
WOW +% poison damage, 20 fcr and 30 cold res in one item!! Thats GODLY!

Boots: Shadow Dancer
Gore Riders dont stand a chance against these in pvp. +2 to my main tree, fhr and a lot of dex.

Amulet and Rings: Angelic Amu+Ring, Fcr ring, Raven, bk
Angelic Amu+ring when i need ton of AR against Barb and some palas. My regular setup will probably be Mara+Raven/Dwarf/Whisp+Good Fcr ring.

Prebuff: Cta+lidless, 2x +3 Shadow Discipline Claws
These prebuff are important. If you wanna be the best you have do this. Many people are lazy and dont want 2 different prebuffs but for me is everything.

Charms: 10x Shadow Skiller, 1 Anni
10 skillers for MB, Venom, SM, BoS and fade. I fill upp with life, res and fhr charms


@[WEAPONS]@
Ahh now we have reached the final and hardest part of my equipment list.
I will be going to use one weapon setup for melee and one for caster. Melee include Storm of caurse and caster will be duel claw.
Melee:
We have some decent choices here
Azurewrath socked with Um
Really good weapon, insane magic damage, +1 skills, fast and stats.
Kingslayer
I haven't tested it my self but the stats are amazing 50% OW, 33% CS, Str and AR%
Death Web
If i was going to use Bramble this would be my Nr 1 Choice but for an enigma using kicker i think their are bether alternatives
Stormlash socked with Um
Probably the best pvm weapon for a kicker but in pvp i dont think it is as good as azure or kingslayer but it's still valible.

Casters:
For casters second claw will always be jade against element users and bartuc against others (bone nec, hammardins)
Chaos
This one is cool 25% OW, Very good Magic damage, ww , str and some cool cast on striking
Fury
The main choice for this one is 66% OW wich is SOOO nice!! Because my equipment lack ow

I cant think of any other right now but if anyone have others please speak up!

Now maybe this looks like I already decided how my assa is going to be but thats not how it is i need your help with EVERY Equipment section and skill placement!

Then i have ab last question
With enigma should i go BoS or Fade. My first thought was BoS because then i dont have to worrie about ias gear but then enigma gives 45% frw and teleport. If i have to go fade my equipmnet have to be changed!


My greatest thx for all who have writen about kickers in these forum!! i :worship: you!

 

[flapserdk]

It's funny, right now it seems like kicksin is becoming very popular on this forum, wich of caurse is not a bad thing. We need more kicksins and more diskussion around them. So now i like too get my self into the diskussion.
Fo me kickers have always been my nr 1 char, i have made several of them with differant gear and succes but everyone with medium good gear because i have never been rich......till now! So i got my first enigma and of caurse i'm gonna use it on an new kicksin becuase i have read about this new enigma kicksin idea.
So here is mine verision:

First of all skills! I have calculated my skills for lvl 90 because i think its an good level. OW gets it final increase at lvl 90, shure it will be much leveling but it will be worth the time to do it!

20 Dragon Talon
20 Venom
This is what i think the core skills on all kickers. After this it's getting harder
20 Mind Blast
I now this is pretty strange but a maxed MB with 10 skillers have very good stun lenght and pretty nice damage
20 Shadow Master
With all my skillers and +skills from gear i think it can be an pretty good tank. Because of what Speedlander has wrote about his lvl 38 shadow master i think i chose this instead of Dragon flight
8-10 Weapon Block
This i my only defence against casters, with all my +skills i hope to get it to lvl 26 and 60% block
1 point wonder as CoS, BoS, WoF, BShield, BFury, Fade. then all pre requested of caurse

Why not Dragon flight then?
Yes thats a good question, mainly its becasue i'm going to use enigma and then i have teleport. DFlight is very buggy and it's animation is just too long. I dont know how many times i have died because of this!


So now over to the most important part of every kicksin, Equipment!
My Goals are:
Max res on caster switch
Max or close to max PDR% on melee switch
86% Fhr on caster switch
2k+ life
42% FCR (65% will be too hard to get without a 20fcr amu or circlet)

Armor: Enigma BP
This kicksin will be build for enigma, its the only choice right now!

Helm: Shako with um/shael/facet or CoA with um/shael/facet
The absolute best choice here would be an godly circlet with +2 skills/20fcr/str/res but thats too costly for me so its between Shako and CoA. Shako have 1 more skill and very nice life and mana. CoA Have res, 2 sock little more pdr and fhr. Then CoA Has pretty high str req but i dont know if thats a problem because kicksin benefits of high str.

Shield: Stormshield
Their is no one else!

Belt: Arachnid Mesh
I now this looks strange to most of you but i need that 20 fcr to reach the 42% breakpoint and +1 skills is just a plus. Against lightning user i maybe slap a Tgods on if they are too hard!

Gloves: Trang-Oult Bracers
WOW +% poison damage, 20 fcr and 30 cold res in one item!! Thats GODLY!

Boots: Shadow Dancer
Gore Riders dont stand a chance against these in pvp. +2 to my main tree, fhr and a lot of dex.

Amulet and Rings: Angelic Amu+Ring, Fcr ring, Raven, bk
Angelic Amu+ring when i need ton of AR against Barb and some palas. My regular setup will probably be Mara+Raven/Dwarf/Whisp+Good Fcr ring.

Prebuff: Cta+lidless, 2x +3 Shadow Discipline Claws
These prebuff are important. If you wanna be the best you have do this. Many people are lazy and dont want 2 different prebuffs but for me is everything.

Charms: 10x Shadow Skiller, 1 Anni
10 skillers for MB, Venom, SM, BoS and fade. I fill upp with life, res and fhr charms


@[WEAPONS]@
Ahh now we have reached the final and hardest part of my equipment list.
I will be going to use one weapon setup for melee and one for caster. Melee include Storm of caurse and caster will be duel claw.
Melee:
We have some decent choices here
Azurewrath socked with Um
Really good weapon, insane magic damage, +1 skills, fast and stats.
Kingslayer
I haven't tested it my self but the stats are amazing 50% OW, 33% CS, Str and AR%
Death Web
If i was going to use Bramble this would be my Nr 1 Choice but for an enigma using kicker i think their are bether alternatives
Stormlash socked with Um
Probably the best pvm weapon for a kicker but in pvp i dont think it is as good as azure or kingslayer but it's still valible.

Casters:
For casters second claw will always be jade against element users and bartuc against others (bone nec, hammardins)
Chaos
This one is cool 25% OW, Very good Magic damage, ww , str and some cool cast on striking
Fury
The main choice for this one is 66% OW wich is SOOO nice!! Because my equipment lack ow

I cant think of any other right now but if anyone have others please speak up!

Now maybe this looks like I already decided how my assa is going to be but thats not how it is i need your help with EVERY Equipment section and skill placement!

Then i have ab last question
With enigma should i go BoS or Fade. My first thought was BoS because then i dont have to worrie about ias gear but then enigma gives 45% frw and teleport. If i have to go fade my equipmnet have to be changed!


My greatest thx for all who have writen about kickers in these forum!! i :worship: you!

Your gear and skill distribution looks ok to me, but I have some comments.

Helms:
Good choices, but an Andy’s Visage is handy to have in the stash when you fight chars with high poison damage.

Belt:
If you have max Fade you could also use a crafted Blood belt with OW, life and resist.

Weapons:
My kicker also use Wizard Spike(Um) and together with Trang gloves you reach 11 FPS.

Gloves:
Personally I prefer Dracul’s. 25 % OW is awesome, and OW is more important that Poison damage, but then you need the 20 % FCR.

If you don’t mind the slow Fleshripper is a great kick weapons, but King slayer in a phase blade is also a great kick weapon with –60 speed.


With Enigma you should max fade, because you don’t need any fast R/W, and with your weapons it’s easy to reach the kick breaking points.

Good luck

 

[Speederländer]

Personally I prefer Dracul’s. 25 % OW is awesome, and OW is more important that Poison damage, but then you need the 20 % FCR.

Are you aware of how MUCH poison damage you can get with the right set-up? You are also missing the fact that he needs fast cast and the gloves have 20%. Trangs are a better choice if you have a high level venom and are properly pre-buffing.

 

[Trisk3lion]

Thanks for the anwers mate's!

So now my main problem is helm, jewelery, chaos vs Fury and if i should use fade or BoS
Could you guys post your equipment and skills? It would be realllly Nice of you!

 

[Espeonage]

Thanks for the anwers mate's!

So now my main problem is helm, jewelery, chaos vs Fury and if i should use fade or BoS
Could you guys post your equipment and skills? It would be realllly Nice of you!

Don't overlook Malice. Malice has 100% Open Wounds and -25% Target Defense, in effect, can be better than Fury, and at Ith El Eth being the rune call, you can't get much cheaper. Find a nice claw with + to Weapon Block and you'll be set.

Also, for jewelry, Metalgrid is a nice Amulet. Huge Attack Rating, up to 35 Resist all, only a godly crafted Assassin Amulet beats it. Mara's is a nice cheaper solution.

For Rings, Ravenfrost is always a must. Kicksins can't be slowed, or they're sitting ducks. For the other ring, I've seen combinations. I use Faster Cast there. Crafted 10% FCR, 8% LL, 18 Str, minor Resists. That ring slot's up for you to decide, really.

 

[Speederländer]

Don't overlook Malice. Malice has 100% Open Wounds and -25% Target Defense, in effect, can be better than Fury, and at Ith El Eth being the rune call, you can't get much cheaper. Find a nice claw with + to Weapon Block and you'll be set.

Also, for jewelry, Metalgrid is a nice Amulet. Huge Attack Rating, up to 35 Resist all, only a godly crafted Assassin Amulet beats it. Mara's is a nice cheaper solution.

For Rings, Ravenfrost is always a must. Kicksins can't be slowed, or they're sitting ducks. For the other ring, I've seen combinations. I use Faster Cast there. Crafted 10% FCR, 8% LL, 18 Str, minor Resists. That ring slot's up for you to decide, really.

Malice is never better than fury. Look at the duration on OW. Note how long it goes for and how often you tend to hit in a given WW pass. You have multiple high probablility chances to cast OW on EACH WW pass. It will almost always trigger except vs. extremely high def. chars. You don't need 100% from malice. Fury is a better choice by a good bit.

 

[flapserdk]

I agree that high poison damage is great, but poison can be resisted.
Just use Andy’s Visage and drink some antidote.

FCR is important for a kicker, but there are many ways to get it. My kicker use Wizard Spike (Um) and if I need 65 % FCR, I put on Trang. Arachnid is a great belt, but not for a kicker, because the lack of resist, DR and other useful mods. +1 all skills doesn’t make a big difference and you can get the 20 % FCR elsewhere.

With Enigma you should walk the Fade path because you don’t have to run, but I don’t think you need to max it, because you only need DR when you go melee, and SS + CoA gives you the 50 % DR.

If you choose Fade Fury claw is the best choice because it gives you 40 % IAS and it have some nasty kick mods.

Raven frost is almost a mantra for me, because I think it’s one of the mods useful rings in the game, its cheap gives you a big dex and AR boost (around 2000-3000 AR) +CBF.

My standard set-up is always dual ravens, and that gives me around 14000 AR Dtalon, which is enough against most chars except high defence, but then I switch to Angelic and with amu + 2 rings, and my Dtalon AR is 30000.

My gear is pretty crappy, but it works fine, and I can beat all chars except skilled barbs with BotD/Enigma. (I duel only public Europe NL)

Helm
Shako (Um), rare assa resist diadem (Um) +2 all skills
Andy’s Visage (ias jewel) against Poison.

You have to great helms, use both.

Armor:
Duress

Weapons:

Bartuc (shael)/Jade
Fleshripper (shael) or Wizard spike (Um)/SS

Gloves:
Dracul’s/Trang

Boots:
Shadow

Belt:
Thundergod’s/Verdungo’s (But still working on a crafted Blood belt with goodly mods)

Amu:
Mara/Angelic

Rings:
Raven, whisp, Dwarf, Angelic and rare resist rings

Unless you have 10 goodly shadow charms, I prefer a mix of shadow and Martial with good secondary mods like 12 % FHR, life etc. My slvl 90 kicker has 2 Martial and 5 Shadow +Anni, and the rest is small charms with life and resist.

If you choose a Fury claw then get one with DF, because even a low lvl DF can hit very hard and tricker OW poison. DF is a still a great skill despite the bugs. If you combine DF with MB, you get a deadly combination. When you MB your enemy then cant tele, and then they are forced to run with 1/3 blocking, which makes them very easy to hit with DF.

 

[skygoneblue]

I am personally having a huge beef with maxing Shadow Master over Dragon Flight. Yes, Dragon Flight may be buggy, but in the instance that it DOES land, I would much rather have that extra 475% ED as opposed to a meat shield with 1000 more life that Barbs and Paladins are just going to leech anyway.

I have my kicker with 20 Talon, 20 Flight, 20 Venom, Weapon Block, and the remaining points into Shadow Master. With that setup, my Shadow Master is more than capable of actually killing other players, but the rarity with which she does this is certainly outweighed by how often I completely obliterate other characters because my Dragon Flight actually does good damage.

Just think about it.

 

[Trisk3lion]

DAMN GUY'S
You are getting me headache. Now their are so much thing i have to chose if i gonna use or not. Some thing are shure and some are not. i'm going through my equipment.

Helm
Shako: This will be my regular helm probably socked with an um/shael/facet depending on the rest of my gear.
Andariel's Visage: This one will be used against poison users like poison necros and plague javas. Maybe also when i want to use fade against blizz sorcs and fohadin

Armor
Enigma: No dubt, i wont use any else!!

Gloves
Trang: I now many uses Draculas and they are really nice but i NEED that 20 fcr and poison damage is sooo good! Then of caurse 30% cold res!!

Boots
Shadow Dancer: Absolute the best, no dubt!

Belt
This is one of the hard parts. Right now its between Tgods, Arach and verdungos
Arach: Because i need that 20 fcr for the next breakpoint. +1 skill is just a minor mod!
TGods: Str, vita and light absorb! They are soo nice but are they more important then arach?
Verds: Vita, Fhr and pdr%. Also very nice but i think it's the less best of those three.

Jewlery
Angelic+ring+Raven/fcr ring: Against heavy def opponents
Mara's+Raven+Fcr ring: Agaisnt all other.
One thing could be to use an 35 res metalgrid but i dont now if it's superior to mara.

Shield
Storm: No other

Weapon
Melee
Azurewraht(um): Everyone knows that this is an awsome kicker weap!
Fleshripper(um/facet): Awsome for kicker! Maybe even bether then kingslayer. 20% slow can become handy
Lacerator: These one looks pretty cool but i have to test them first.
Wiz(um): It look like flapserdk like this one hehe :lol: . But i cant se how they can be bether then the others. Of caurse we have this really nice fcr so i dont have to use arach but what else? Mana? Okej its nice but not so important. Res? Remember this is my melee switch and i dont need res there.
Caster
This one is much more important then melee because i can test all melee weapons, they arn't so expensive. But here are my coices chaos or fury and those arn't cheap so i cant test both i have to chose one before i trade or make one.
Chaos: Sweet magic damage and ow.
Fury: Nasty ow
As it is now i'm mroe for chaos then fury because of the big magic damage wich will penetrate bone armor and such. But i want your advice first!!
Secondary claw: Will always be jade against element and bartuc against magic.

Now i have this little problem. I dont understand jrichards table that well so i need help with how much ias i would need with an chaos/fury Suwayyah, runic talon and feral claw with an jade talon not socked with shael as second claw!

 

[skygoneblue]

DAMN GUY'S
You are getting me headache. Now their are so much thing i have to chose if i gonna use or not. Some thing are shure and some are not. i'm going through my equipment.

Helm
Shako: This will be my regular helm probably socked with an um/shael/facet depending on the rest of my gear.
Andariel's Visage: This one will be used against poison users like poison necros and plague javas. Maybe also when i want to use fade against blizz sorcs and fohadin

Armor
Enigma: No dubt, i wont use any else!!

Gloves
Trang: I now many uses Draculas and they are really nice but i NEED that 20 fcr and poison damage is sooo good! Then of caurse 30% cold res!!

Boots
Shadow Dancer: Absolute the best, no dubt!

Belt
This is one of the hard parts. Right now its between Tgods, Arach and verdungos
Arach: Because i need that 20 fcr for the next breakpoint. +1 skill is just a minor mod!
TGods: Str, vita and light absorb! They are soo nice but are they more important then arach?
Verds: Vita, Fhr and pdr%. Also very nice but i think it's the less best of those three.

Jewlery
Angelic+ring+Raven/fcr ring: Against heavy def opponents
Mara's+Raven+Fcr ring: Agaisnt all other.
One thing could be to use an 35 res metalgrid but i dont now if it's superior to mara.

Shield
Storm: No other

Weapon
Melee
Azurewraht(um): Everyone knows that this is an awsome kicker weap!
Fleshripper(um/facet): Awsome for kicker! Maybe even bether then kingslayer. 20% slow can become handy
Lacerator: These one looks pretty cool but i have to test them first.
Wiz(um): It look like flapserdk like this one hehe :lol: . But i cant se how they can be bether then the others. Of caurse we have this really nice fcr so i dont have to use arach but what else? Mana? Okej its nice but not so important. Res? Remember this is my melee switch and i dont need res there.
Caster
This one is much more important then melee because i can test all melee weapons, they arn't so expensive. But here are my coices chaos or fury and those arn't cheap so i cant test both i have to chose one before i trade or make one.
Chaos: Sweet magic damage and ow.
Fury: Nasty ow
As it is now i'm mroe for chaos then fury because of the big magic damage wich will penetrate bone armor and such. But i want your advice first!!
Secondary claw: Will always be jade against element and bartuc against magic.

Now i have this little problem. I dont understand jrichards table that well so i need help with how much ias i would need with an chaos/fury Suwayyah, runic talon and feral claw with an jade talon not socked with shael as second claw!

Helm
If you are using Enigma, you should have Fade on all the time, not just vs casters. Enigma kicks a serious dent in your resist capabilities by taking the spot of Chains of Honor, Duriels Shell, etc. However, the 45 run walk on Enigma makes Fade totally usable.
I would make sure that you have enough IAS while using Fade, and if you need more, Andy's is the only helm you should use. However, if you get enough IAS from your other gear, I would go with the Shako with an UM for resists.
Gloves
Use both. If you have a weapon that has plenty of OW (like Chaos), then throw on Trangs for the poison damage and FCR. However, if you are using something like Azure and need some OW, throw Drac's on. No shame in having both.

Belts
Once again, examine how much FCR you really think you need. I know there is a huge hype going on about teleporting kickers going really fast, etc, but they can also run very fast too. With Shadow Dancers and Enigma, you have an easy 75% run walk without counting charms. While the FCR on Arachnid's may be nice for your teleport, what else is it good for? You can run from people just as easily as you can teleport, IMO.
TGods has a good stats bonus on it, but the lightning absorb is worthless. It is an absorb of 20 damage, not % (just in case you didn't know). IMO, Verdungo's is your only choice here. With Stormshield and Shako, Verdungo's will put you over the top for DR, and it will give you a gigantic life boost.
I honestly think that Nosferatu's Coil is a better choice than all three, but the Slows Target mod makes it BM in most peoples' books.

Does this help any??

 

[Speederländer]

I am personally having a huge beef with maxing Shadow Master over Dragon Flight. Yes, Dragon Flight may be buggy, but in the instance that it DOES land, I would much rather have that extra 475% ED as opposed to a meat shield with 1000 more life that Barbs and Paladins are just going to leech anyway.

You can't leech off shadow master.

 

[flapserdk]

There is no doubt that an Enigma kicker needs FCR to keep up with sorc’s and Necro’s, but there are many combinations to achieve it.

Trang gloves are obvious, but you seem like a rich guy, and it shouldn’t be difficult for you to get a 20 % FCR amu with skills, resist and life, and then you can use a better belt.

If you can get the 20 % FCR elsewhere Tgod’s/Verdungo’s is better kick belts than Arachnid, but a good blood belt can potentially beat any unique belt, with OW resist and life etc.

I’m a Wizard Spike fan, because it’s a cheap weapon and grants you 50 % FCR + resist and mana, and with Trang gloves your MB is devastating. If you fight a melee char loaded with 290’ 75 % additional poison resist is a great thing and dont underestimate the mana boost, especially if you use WoF and BS.

With your current gear set-up, I see one problem and that is your low OW (25 %). It’s my experience that you can cope with 50 % OW, because it’s will always trigger, but 25 % is a bit low.

High poison damage is always great, but not if you have to sacrifice OW. When my slvl 90 assa trigger OW my enemy will loose 533 life (after PvP penalty).

If you have around 50 % OW, then Chaos is the best choice, because you get magical damage.

If you use Chaos (Runic Talon –65 ws) and Jade (-10ws) with Fade you need 35 % IAS on gear to reach maximum speed (Andy’s with 15 % IAS jewel e.g.). Runic Talon is the best choice because it’s the fastest claw.

http://www.purediablo.com/items/class-specific/asn-elite.shtml

Good luck