"meaningful" 1.13 info this week

[Davidus]

"meaningful" 1.13 info this week

"It has been a while since the last update, and I'm sorry about that, but we haven't had any new developments until recently. As much as some people want daily affirmations, they aren't helpful. We'll give updates when they matter, and we have a meaningful one going up this week."

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=20860803429&pageNo=1&sid=3000#10

random user:
So if you know the update, why aren't you updating us? Wait, dont tell me. You will update us "soon" yeah??


Bashiok:
Approvals and localization.

I don't get to post everything I want to right when I want to. Some times, not all the time.

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=20860803429&sid=3000&pageNo=1#14



so a meaningful info they need to localize to other languages?

 

[ancalagon]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

LOL 10chars

 

[omgwtfbbqpwned]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

He made another post:

Spoiler

It's been a trying release and I'm right there with you, but I think you're skewing the facts. Here is the timeline as I have it recorded:

March 3rd
Posts made throughout forums requesting from players their most desired patch change (http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=15443288961)

April 17th
Notification posted that ladder could reset as early as the end of April.

Updates on status or information on the delays posted May 1st, May 12th, June 10th, June 30th, July 20th, August 5th, September 1st, September 2nd, September 30th, October 14th.

You're absolutely right, we created the expectation, and it bit us in the ***. Now all we can do is keep our mouths shut so we don't increase the expectation, give info that matters, and hope we are able to focus on the patch and get it out there.

Be assured that for any future patches you won't even know they exist until they're on the PTR.

Lots of amusing posts in that thread:

Random user 2:

so by "this week," you mean by the end of November (of this, or next year), based on your previous definition of the vaguely defined "next week."

Random, user 3:

1st Mate Legacy Team: Set course for fail.

Captain Bashiok: Belay that order, set new course for... EPIC FAIL. Divert all power from our success turbines and redirect it into our /facepalm systems.

Ahahaha. Also, all these people crying for an end to the dupeconomy and botters... are they aware of the implications this is going to have on gameplay if rune drop rates aren't adjusted? Heck, I see people from B.Net every now and then who still think the rune pool is legit.

 

[KTang]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

One of those Europe guys made a fantastic post about how this game differs in terms of patch announcement, when compared to WC or SC. Something about economy and gameplay being completely destroyed based on the first announcement.

Too true.

KT

 

[crawlingdeadman1]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

he's just been getting too much flak b/c of his first "april" post. if he'd never posted anything, we'd all have been better off.

 

[MarShenk]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

if he'd never posted anything, we'd all have been better off.

Yea i agree maybe announcing it when the patch was nearly ready. however it was good of blizz to actually ask us what we wanted in the new patch even though it looks as tho those things wont be in it.

 

[Doppel]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

Dips on it being "its coming out in early December....................................20??"

(and yes, how much BS is this we're going to "announce something announcement", i promise)

 

[raveharu]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

he's just been getting too much flak b/c of his first "april" post. if he'd never posted anything, we'd all have been better off.

I really doubt so, even if Bashiok didn't post anything, people will still be spamming the forums for info about the patch.

Dips on it being "its coming out in early December....................................20??"

(and yes, how much BS is this we're going to "announce something announcement", i promise)

Probably the contents of V1.13.

 

[Galtrovan]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

Dips on it being "its coming out in early December....................................20??"

I say the forthcoming "announcement" is going to be "1.13 will be on hold until the Battle Net Team finishes BNet 2.0 for the Starcraft 2 release".

 

[omgwtfbbqpwned]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

Whatever the delay, as long as they buff up certain TC87's and let me upgrade set items, I'll be pretty happy.

 

[ancalagon]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

Yea i agree maybe announcing it when the patch was nearly ready. however it was good of blizz to actually ask us what we wanted in the new patch even though it looks as tho those things wont be in it.

LOL. Thankyou for this post because it is very insightful ...

That is Blizzard's marketing and hype strategy .... 'include' fans in the development process, we all know its a farce, while fans are busy writing their ideas they are too busy not reading them. But it keeps the fans busy and nailed in place ... do you think patch 1.13 has any other reason to its announcement besides bringing veterans out of their shells back for D3? And that includes in the end even more people going to every years Blizzcon until D3's release in 2012 / 2013. More money!! MONEY ... makes the world go round.

People have to face up to the fact Blizzard is not a 'nice' company who offers 'continuous support' to its games, its an 'American minded and highly corporate' company who sees 'nothing but cash' and tries to 'milk' every single last penny out of all its 'cash cows'.

All the patches for D2 were always leading up to the fact they needed players to stay put for D3 or to branch off into WoW / SC, they were never serious patches as they never fixed the real game issues, instead they threw in an Uber Diablo (a supposed fix for mass duped SOJs, oh yeah that really worked) and Uber Tristram which took 1 day max to make ... woohoo. If they were serious patches, they wouldve fixed the real bugs and issues fans keep bringing to their attention year after year.

In conclusion, in case anyone still hasnt noticed, this 1.13 patch is going to be a disappointment. Not a normal sized cup or pint, but a gigantic gallon of it.

 

[Qveasd1]

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People have to face up to the fact Blizzard is not a 'nice' company who offers 'continuous support' to its games, its an 'American minded and highly corporate' company who sees 'nothing but cash' and tries to 'milk' every single last penny out of all its 'cash cows'.

Can you also name a couple of large well-known software companies that are 'nice'? So we all know the difference. :scratchchin:

 

[boogyman19946]

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Can you also name a couple of large well-known software companies that are 'nice'? So we all know the difference. :scratchchin:

oh dis is ez d00d... Microsoft of course ^_^ haven't you seen the comercials? They made Windows 7 based on YOUR ideas

 

[ancalagon]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

Can you also name a couple of large well-known software companies that are 'nice'? So we all know the difference. :scratchchin:

I dont know what that has anything to do with what I said, or how it will change / disprove it ... but to answer your question ...

I CANT! And that is precisely what I'm trying to say here .... there is none, except the difference with Blizzard is they are very smart and have good strategies to warm up and gather fans regardless.

Fans should step up to the game, and realise what im saying is true

 

[Qveasd1]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

I dont know what that has anything to do with what I said, or how it will change / disprove it ...

It seemed to me that you were complaining at Blizzard, but if every company behaves the same, then there's nothing to complain about. They asked what the fans wanted in the patch, so they would look good. Turned out that the cost of implementing that was too high to justify doing it. Big deal. They didn't know that in advance, and they never said they would implement everything fans wanted to have.

instead they threw in an Uber Diablo (a supposed fix for mass duped SOJs, oh yeah that really worked) and Uber Tristram which took 1 day max to make ... woohoo. If they were serious patches, they wouldve fixed the real bugs and issues fans keep bringing to their attention year after year.

You have no idea how long did it take. NO change takes "1 day max" in a large software project, especially that old. Fixing bugs usually produces a slew of other bugs, so for most non-critical ones — not gonna happen.

 

[ancalagon]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

They asked what the fans wanted in the patch, so they would look good.

We are in agreement here except ...

Turned out that the cost of implementing that was too high to justify doing it. Big deal. They didn't know that in advance, and they never said they would implement everything fans wanted to have.

The cost of implementing? Are we still talking about Blizzard? I lol'd so hard irl. Dont be so naive like all the others please, I already explained what is going on.

You have no idea how long did it take. NO change takes "1 day max" in a large software project, especially that old. Fixing bugs usually produces a slew of other bugs, so for most non-critical ones — not gonna happen.

I do know how long 1.11 took actually, and it once again proves what I'm trying to say. Blizzard are smart, they know how to keep that hype button going, to keep fans there, for their long term vision, a greater good. They take their time in patches just as much as major releases to keep fans hanging around, and then they release a screwed up patch and follow it up with another, and another, and then nothing for a long while as long as the game is being played and at least 1/4 of D2 players also pay monthly to play WoW. Then the sequel D3 is announced, and lo comes another patch. If you fail to see why, you are as naive as all the other fanboiz.

In all the time wasted till now with useless patches and addons, they could have fixed all the major bugs and concerns hands down, trust me. No matter the 'cost of development' as you put it yourself, in all terms of the word too. Cost of labour, cost of financial issues, cost of time, etc .... Would have been long done. Blizzard doesnt want to fix those things, though, because they are actually part of what keeps things going, what keeps the cogs in place for the machine to run. They dont need to release another patch at all this point, so why do they might you ask?

A new patch for D2, at least at this stage, is never going to fix or include anything the fans want, it is just going to add some redundant features on its overdue release (which might have coincided with the ones fans listed, but not because Blizz actually read the list) to make it seem worthwile, but its main purpose is the hype and warmup it provides. After all, Blizzard is only a corporate business and not your friendly next door tech geek.

BTW, I'm not complaining about Blizzard, I am straightening things out.

 

[MarShenk]

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People have to face up to the fact Blizzard is not a 'nice' company who offers 'continuous support' to its games, its an 'American minded and highly corporate' company who sees 'nothing but cash' and tries to 'milk' every single last penny out of all its 'cash cows'.

Last time I checked d2 was still free to play and the patches were free.

 

[ancalagon]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

Last time I checked d2 was still free to play and the patches were free.

Was this the only part of my reply u read? It has nothing to do with what I am trying to say, it could be pay to play and my arguments hold point still. You can make sense as to why this is so if you read everything I read ... oh and BTW, every patch for every game in existence is free of course! That would be crazy if they charged for a patch too. Not to mention extremely cheeky.

Also, with the new WoW phenomenon, there's a high chance D3 is going to be pay to play, D2 was released way before WoW's monthly subscription success, they wouldnt change it to pay to play after so long.

 

[boogyman19946]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

Was this the only part of my reply u read? It has nothing to do with what I am trying to say, it could be pay to play and my arguments hold point still. You can make sense as to why this is so if you read everything I read ... oh and BTW, every patch for every game in existence is free of course! That would be crazy if they charged for a patch too. Not to mention extremely cheeky.

Also, with the new WoW phenomenon, there's a high chance D3 is going to be pay to play, D2 was released way before WoW's monthly subscription success, they wouldnt change it to pay to play after so long.

If Diablo 3 is going to be using Battle.net, there is no possibility that it will be pay to play. Blizzard clearly stated that Battle.net is free and will always remain that way. If they break that promise, then I'll be damned, I'll join with the rest of the complaining crowd but right now I really don't care if the patch is going to come out any time soon.

 

[ancalagon]

Re: "meaningful" 1.13 info this week

If Diablo 3 is going to be using Battle.net, there is no possibility that it will be pay to play. Blizzard clearly stated that Battle.net is free and will always remain that way. If they break that promise, then I'll be damned, I'll join with the rest of the complaining crowd but right now I really don't care if the patch is going to come out any time soon.

Me neither To hell with the patch, and I dont even need a reset, although if it must be done then do so immediately. I am not complaining, once again I stress I am pointing out how things really are from a business point of view, that is all I'm doing.

And Battle.net isnt free for WoW ...