I need to brag for a sec

theredpredator

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I need to brag for a sec

20 life 17 mana 35+ Ist

according to the price guide.

I just traded it for istmal2um.

Thank you whoever you were!
 
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ZOMG DUPEXORS!!!! lol

Just kidding, nice work buddy, enjoy :)
 
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Personally - I wouldn't brag about blatantly ripping off another player.
 
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joke's on you actually, its gna poof enjoy brah XD. some of the most commonly duped sc's out there
 
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Personally - I wouldn't brag about blatantly ripping off another player.
If both associates were happy, what was wrong with the trade? :scratchchin: :jig: I have no pity for ignorant people (who have the possibility of educating themselves), in real life or in games. Caveat emptor, as they say in Rome. Gratz on the good trade, theredpredator. :thumbup:


 
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If both associates were happy, what was wrong with the trade? :scratchchin: :jig: I have no pity for ignorant people (who have the possibility of educating themselves), in real life or in games. Caveat emptor, as they say in Rome. Gratz on the good trade, theredpredator. :thumbup:

Happy? Sure, the other guy will be happy right until he tells someone else about the deal. Then he'll just feel exploited. Just because you're on the interwebz and not face to face doesn't mean you're anything but a tool when you do something like this.

Ofc, that's just how I see it.


 
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lighten up peoples!!

Way to much crying for the newb that sold his sc fow way to little.

Oh and i dont think its duped. Sounds like a guy who knows little and got VERY lucky.

yay
 
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Oh and i dont think its duped. Sounds like a guy who knows little and got VERY lucky.

And then he met you...

It's true that he might have just made a similarly bad trade with someone else; maybe he'll learn to be more careful about trading.


 
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Happy? Sure, the other guy will be happy right until he tells someone else about the deal. Then he'll just feel exploited. Just because you're on the interwebz and not face to face doesn't mean you're anything but a tool when you do something like this.

Ofc, that's just how I see it.
It's called profit. Welcome to capitalism. :wink:

For the record, I myself have overpaid or asked too little for things countless times, and I consider myself the fool when I do it, and not the other guy a tool. (hey, nice rhyme) Ofc irl I wouldn't sleep so tightly if I pretended to be a Nigerian prince with millions on his locked bank account, but it's only pixels here, not someone's life savings. If it's a smaller rl amount, it's a much more gray area. Playing internet poker against the 'fishes' (not saying I ain't one :wink:) could be considered immoral according to your standards. There's a cost to everything in this world, and the cost of ignorance should be high imo, so that people would educate themselves. If I get richer in the process, good for me (so long as I don't ruin them).


 
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It's called profit. Welcome to capitalism. :wink:

For the record, I myself have overpaid or asked too little for things countless times, and I consider myself the fool when I do it, and not the other guy a tool. (hey, nice rhyme) Ofc irl I wouldn't sleep so tightly if I pretended to be a Nigerian prince with millions on his locked bank account, but it's only pixels here, not someone's life savings. If it's a smaller rl amount, it's a much more gray area. Playing internet poker against the 'fishes' (not saying I ain't one :wink:) could be considered immoral according to your standards. There's a cost to everything in this world, and the cost of ignorance should be high imo, so that people would educate themselves. If I get richer in the process, good for me (so long as I don't ruin them).

I'm not implying it's not part of life. Doesn't mean I have to like it, nor think it's something to be proud of. A dishonest act is dishonest, whether it's rl or pixels, big or small you're basically just haggling. All I see in your post is rationalization for doing something which you know is wrong.

All of this is simply for the sake of the argument :grin: I wouldn't really give it that much weight nor do I care overmuch (besides Greizer, I know you're a pretty cool guy yourself ;))...I just dislike people going around bragging about their moral deficiency.


 
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I'm not implying it's not part of life. Doesn't mean I have to like it, nor think it's something to be proud of. A dishonest act is dishonest, whether it's rl or pixels, big or small you're basically just haggling. All I see in your post is rationalization for doing something which you know is wrong.

All of this is simply for the sake of the argument :grin: I wouldn't really give it that much weight nor do I care overmuch (besides Greizer, I know you're a pretty cool guy yourself ;))...I just dislike people going around bragging about their moral deficiency.
Do you consider playing internet poker immoral? Those people have put their own money on the line by themselves; it's their fault if they lose it thanks to their bad skills/not educating themselves (again, I've lost a few 100 $ playing poker and I do not blame my opponents). If you trade in D2 without checking forums for value of items, you pay the cost of your laziness (and that of Blizzard for not implementing a better system of trading :coffee:). Scamming people for their life savings is different since it impacts the mind and quality of life of the victim(s) significantly. Whereas if someone trades their Perf CoA in D2 for 2 Ist and remarks "Oh shoes should've known better! Next time I'LL rip someone off!", if they lose their mortgage payments the reaction is more like "Pass the shotgun when you're done will you mother?". Tbh, I still don't feel that sorry for the victims of the 'Nigerians' et al, even though I wouldn't do that myself. God gave you a brain, people; let's use it. Meh.

On a related note: I consider good trading to be 'legit scamming'. I will never do the Tal armor switch scam, etc, since it is clear deception: not offering what was promised. However in the case of over/underpaying, I haven't made a promise that I break; the agreement is mutual, if based on faulty info on the part of the other party. It is not my fault if they refuse to educate themselves, nor is it my duty to do it for them. Ofc they still get the benefit afterwards (if they bother checking the true value out). Now, if you do consider poker immoral, I concede that you're free to call ripping people off immoral too. However I will continue to lose and win money and items in poker and in D2 (respectively), and not lose sleep over it.

Ofc I would not do stuff like, say, ask an Ist for an Ik maul from some poor noob. However if someone sells me 40 crap jewels and there's a 15/40 among them, then I won't flap my lips about it. If you do, let me know when the pope canonizes you. Maybe us *rich* sinners could use a prayer or two. :smug: :wink:


 
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It's called *greed*. Welcome to capitalism. :wink:

Corrected. Although there's nothing wrong with being a bit greedy, it's useful for motivation :azn:.



 
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Do you consider playing internet poker immoral? Those people have put their own money on the line by themselves; it's their fault if they lose it thanks to their bad skills/not educating themselves (again, I've lost a few 100 $ playing poker and I do not blame my opponents).

In your poker example - money is a major part of that game. The money is on the table so to speak and the person signing up for a game knows exactly what's at stake when he enters his details. The rules are crystal clear and there's no place for cheating or bending of rules.

If you trade in D2 without checking forums for value of items, you pay the cost of your laziness (and that of Blizzard for not implementing a better system of trading :coffee:). Scamming people for their life savings is different since it impacts the mind and quality of life of the victim(s) significantly.

Again, this is all haggling over the details - you agree the principle is the same. If you wouldn't do it in rl why do you allow yourself to do it on the net?

someone trades their Perf CoA in D2 for 2 Ist and remarks "Oh shoes should've known better! Next time I'LL rip someone off!"

So you're also perpetuating some king magic circle of low grade evil among players, well done!

Tbh, I still don't feel that sorry for the victims of the 'Nigerians' et al, even though I wouldn't do that myself. God gave you a brain, people; let's use it. Meh.

I fully agree, you may be under the impression that I'm motivated by sympathy for the victim but I'm not. This has nothing to do with the victim and everything to do with the what you (as the 'aggressor') believe is right or wrong. It's the principle of the thing, it irks me to see people lower their standards when they're interacting with people online.

On a related note: I consider good trading to be 'legit scamming'. I will never do the Tal armor switch scam, etc, since it is clear deception: not offering what was promised. However in the case of over/underpaying, I haven't made a promise that I break; the agreement is mutual, if based on faulty info on the part of the other party. It is not my fault if they refuse to educate themselves, nor is it my duty to do it for them. Ofc they still get the benefit afterwards (if they bother checking the true value out). Now, if you do consider poker immoral, I concede that you're free to call ripping people off immoral too. However I will continue to lose and win money and items in poker and in D2 (respectively), and not lose sleep over it.

Ofc I would not do stuff like, say, ask an Ist for an Ik maul from some poor noob. However if someone sells me 40 crap jewels and there's a 15/40 among them, then I won't flap my lips about it. If you do, let me know when the pope canonizes you. Maybe us *rich* sinners could use a prayer or two. :smug: :wink:

Now you hit on the nail, intention is a deciding factor in my eyes.

In the jewel trade example - both parties entered a deal that they considered fair (in contrast, predator here knew full well he was ripping the guy off when he made his deal), if you found a nice jewel in a pile of crap jewels - good for you, enjoy your unintentional profit. Secondly, there's 'good trading' and then there's giving some newbie 1/20 of what his item is worth...not everyone is worldly, internet proficient (or even smart) enough to research item values on forums and just because a weakness is there doesn't mean you should exploit it.
You yourself say you wouldn't try to trick a noob into trading an IK hammer for an ist, how is this any different from the op's trade?

Getting very rich in D2 (and in most of these games in general) is easy enough without resorting to legal scamming, I can say this from experience.

just ignore the little communist :wave:

Can't deal with someone criticizing your actions and morals? Eh, call him a commie and ignore anything that may actually make you think :thumbup:.


I concede this debate is rather pointless though, people are rarely open to new views in rl, doubly so over the internet. :coffee:


 
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Can't deal with someone criticizing your actions and morals? Eh, call him a commie and ignore anything that may actually make you think :thumbup:.
Please check your humour detector ;)



 
Re: I need to brag for a sec

Please check your humour detector ;)

Damn, is it malfunctioning again? I knew I shouldn't have got one from the bargain bin ^_^.

Humor is still deflection though


 
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Please check your humour detector ;)

I traded mine on the forums - wow, did I get ripped off! ;)

Damn, is it malfunctioning again? I knew I shouldn't have got one from the bargain bin ^_^.

Humor is still deflection though

It is? How much is one with two sockets worth?

/whimsy



 
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