how to max prebuffed enchant?

[Schnorres]

how to max prebuffed enchant?

I used a +3enchant memory staff, but I tested that a +3 fire eschutas with facet+ lidless/fire facet is better is better for prebuffing.

What is the best choice to prebuff (+3 fire amu and circlet is mandatory)?

weapon:
1. +3 fire skills +3 enchant +3 fire matery 1-hand orb socketed with 2*+5 facets
or
2. +3 fire 25% fire eschutas
(seems 1. is better)

shield (dont know this):
1. lidless with +5 facet
or
2. 4 sock monarch wit 4*+5 facet
3. other possibility
(which is better?)

or +3enchant +3 fire masterymemory staff?

Atm I have ~18k max damage with some fire skillers and a +3enchant memory staff, switching to kingslayer silver-edged axe, kiras and +2 sorc amu. Im aiming for 30k ...

 

[melianor]

I used a +3enchant memory staff, but I tested that a +3 fire eschutas with facet+ lidless/fire facet is better is better for prebuffing.

What is the best choice to prebuff (+3 fire amu and circlet is mandatory)?

weapon:
1. +3 fire skills +3 enchant +3 fire matery 1-hand orb socketed with 2*+5 facets
or
2. +3 fire 25% fire eschutas
(seems 1. is better)

shield (dont know this):
1. lidless with +5 facet
or
2. 4 sock monarch wit 4*+5 facet
3. other possibility
(which is better?)

or +3enchant +3 fire masterymemory staff?

Atm I have ~18k max damage with some fire skillers and a +3enchant memory staff, switching to kingslayer silver-edged axe, kiras and +2 sorc amu. Im aiming for 30k ...

Circlet and Amu is nothing you would change. Perfect would be a +3 Fire Skills circlet with 2 fire facets in sockets.

Eschutas + Lidless is better. Why?

Eschutas +Lidless is +4 skills +20-25% fire damge

That essentially means
+4 skills
+3-3.5 Fire Mastery

Thats alot better than "just" +3 skills and +3 enchant.

Warmth boosts Enchant by 9%, but since mastery gets calculated after synergy is applied and synergies cant be boosted by +skills, looking for a staff with +3 fire mastery would be more interesting, since the damage leap between each Enchant lvl is not that great!
So the added damage from fire mastery or facets has more impact than adding to Enchant itself.

+3 Enchant +3 Fire Mastery Memory would be great and better than Eschutas+Lidless. Good luck finding that one

4 fire facet monarch would be about even. +1 skills +5% fire damage and the little extra damage from enchant is roughly the same as +20% fire damage from for facets. Remember that the -xx% fire resistance is NOT calculated from the facets since you prebuff Enchant and the -xx% fire resistance is calculated when you hit something and since its not as a property on an item you are wearing anymore after prebuff it does not get calculated.
The double fire damage is calculated correectly though also with the added +xx% fire damage from the facets.

High damage setup for prebuff:
+3 Fire Skills Circlet, 2 sockets with Fire Facets
+3 Fire Amu
+3 Eschutas, Fire Facet
+3 Enchant with Fire Facet
+1 Lidless with Fire Facet
+1 Magefist
+1 Soj
+1 Soj
+10 Fire Skillers
-------------------------
+26 skills +15% Fire damage

Maybe there are some better setups...

Also you should switch your gear completly between Enchant prebuff and melee gear. Once Enchant is prebuffed it will easily last you through your whole game

 

[Schnorres]

not 100% clear atm:
why is eschutas +20% socketed with +5/X better than a magic orb +3 fire skills +3 firmastery +3enchant socketed with 2*+5/X
(If a +1skills +5%lidless is equal to a 20% monarch, the orb should be far better)

eschutas:
+3enchant +3firemastery +3warmth +25% fire damage

magic orb:
+6enchant +6firemastery +3warmth +10% fire damage

setup I can/will use for now:
+3 Fire Skills Circlet, 2 sockets with +5/X Fire Facets
+3 Fire Amu
+3 Eschutas 20%, +5/X Fire Facet
+1 Lidless, +5/X Fire Facet
+1 Magefist
+1 Bk
+1 Bk
+1 Arachnid mesh (you missed it?)
+10 Fire Skillers
-------
+24fire skills +40% fire damage

(I usually prebuff with circlet and amu only for baalruns)

 

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

why is eschutas +20% socketed with +5/X better than a magic orb +3 fire skills +3 firmastery +3enchant socketed with 2*+5/X
(If a +1skills +5%lidless is equal to a 20% monarch, the orb should be far better)

The orb should be much better. Are you sure Eschuta's is better than that orb?

 

[melianor]

not 100% clear atm:
why is eschutas +20% socketed with +5/X better than a magic orb +3 fire skills +3 firmastery +3enchant socketed with 2*+5/X
(If a +1skills +5%lidless is equal to a 20% monarch, the orb should be far better)

Oops i didnt read that quite well. I thought you were meaning a staff. Sorry.
Ofcourse the ORB would be better

 

[Dahmer]

+3 fire +3 enchant +3 fire mastery with 2*+5% is better than eschuta in all areas, test in sp cause i cant get my hands on 1 on realm (btw, warmth on orb doesnt add any dmg)
besides that melianor was correct with equipchoise, except for 1 typo, "+3 Enchant with Fire Facet" should be "+3 Enchant Ormus with Fire Facet"

*edit*
with equip mentioned above u get following enchant (without cta):
3/20 eschuta with +5% facet -> lvl48 enchant & 4385-5068 dmg
+3 fire skills +3 enchant +3 mastery with 2*+5% facets -> lvl51 enchant & 4840-5574 dmg

other option : leaf in +3 fire mastery +3 enchant staff -> lvl50 enchant & 4500-5189 dmg

so eschuta is the easiest way to get 5k dmg imo

 

[sorcees]

throw in an anni and an arachnid belt, +2 extra to all skills.

 

[sorcees]

I come to +31 max for enchant = a total of 51 tot enchant!
amu +3 fire
circlet +3 fire
ormus +3 enchant
staf +6 (+3 to fire +3 to enchant)
magefist +1 fire
arachnid +1 all
2 soj +2 to all
CtA(switch) +1 to all
anni +1 to all
10 GC +10 to fire

skilltree +20 to enchant
skilltree +20 fire mastery

total for enchant = 51
total for fire mastery = 45

can someone say how long this will last?
and how much damage for a melee party member?
and how much damage for a ranged party member?
and how much damage for your merc?

 

[melianor]

I come to +31 max for enchant = a total of 51 tot enchant!
amu +3 fire
circlet +3 fire
ormus +3 enchant
staf +6 (+3 to fire +3 to enchant)
magefist +1 fire
arachnid +1 all
2 soj +2 to all
CtA(switch) +1 to all
anni +1 to all
10 GC +10 to fire

skilltree +20 to enchant
skilltree +20 fire mastery

total for enchant = 51
total for fire mastery = 45

can someone say how long this will last?
and how much damage for a melee party member?
and how much damage for a ranged party member?
and how much damage for your merc?

Enchant will last for 1344 seconds = ~22 minutes
For melee party member and merc:
4206-4844 added fire damage
For yourself even more, since Fire Mastery is applied a second time when you hit something.

For ranged party members: If remember correctly its less than then displayed value and will also Fire Mastery will not be applied a 2nd them if your sorc should use a bow/crossbow.
I think it was 1/3rd of the displayed damage. Not totally sure though.

Between for a calculator that displays all the properties of a skill, search with google for "chippydip".

 

[Pitboss_2000]

Slightly OT: I knew about the second application of Fire Mastery when you hit something while being Enchanted, but is this a bug or a feature? There was a thread about this a week ago, but all old threads seem to have been erased from the sorc forum!

Cheers,
PB2K

 

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

If remember correctly its less than then displayed value and will also Fire Mastery will not be applied a 2nd them if your sorc should use a bow/crossbow.
I think it was 1/3rd of the displayed damage. Not totally sure though.

Not correct anymore. The skill description still speaks of this 1/3 penalty, but that is not the case in reality. Ranged party members receive the full enchant bonus. You're right about the character damage display though. It always shows the damage with the double application of Fire Mastery even if your sorc is using a bow at the moment.

@Pitboss_2000: No, it's not a bug. It is an intended feature and it's not limited to being Enchanted. It applies to all damage types when melee'd and their corresponding Masteries (and items with +xx% [element] skill damage).

 

[Schnorres]

Perfect setup:

amu +3 fire
circlet +3 fire (2*+5/X fire socketed)
ormus +3 enchant 15%fire (+5/X fire socketed)
orb +3 to fireskills +3 to enchant +3fire masterie (2*+5/X fire socketed)
lidless +1 (+5/X fire socketed)
magefist +1 fire
arachnid +1 all
2 soj +2 to all
CtA(switch) +1 to all
anni +1 to all
10 GC +10 to fire

skilltree +20 to enchant
skilltree +20 fire mastery

total for enchant = 52
total for fire mastery = 49
total +%fire damage = +45%

 

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

On a sidenote, I just found a magical orb with +2 sorc, +3 enchant, +2 firewall. Should I keep it? It can get two sockets from Larzuk (if I'm lucky) so it's marginally better with Lidless than a Leaf/Memory staff with +3 Enchant...

 

[melianor]

On a sidenote, I just found a magical orb with +2 sorc, +3 enchant, +2 firewall. Should I keep it? It can get two sockets from Larzuk (if I'm lucky) so it's marginally better with Lidless than a Leaf/Memory staff with +3 Enchant...

:| Nice Orb. Ever sicne this thread i have been picking up all orbs and staffs that have dropped to look for suitable mods.

It will be a tad bit better than Eschutas, so i'd say give it a try 8)

+2 Sorc +3 Enchant +3 Fire Mastery would have been nice!

 

[Dahmer]

nice orb liessa
but iirc u need 2 sockets in that to get higher dmg than +3/25% eschuta's
not sure tho, should check that in sp where i got savegame ready with all sorts of kicky enchant stuff

 

[vini.vidi.sugi]

usually a leaf staff does better enchant prebuff than anything else.

definately blows eschutas out of the water.

+3 fire skills
+3 warmth

add that to a staff with
+3 enchant
+3 warmth
+3 FM (can they get 3 mods?)

and you are rock music. you can shop a stick in norm drognan theoretically with +3 enchant/warmth.

run the numbers on that skill site.

 

[Miladys-Knight]

The +skills to warmth DO NOT add to the Enchant synergy. Only hard points in warmth add damage to enchant at a max of 20 skills points.