Hf Rushing Question

dutes

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Hf Rushing Question

Hey guys, I'm lucky enough to have gotten a brand new computer and with the extra computing power I'm very tempted by the 'J&J HF Rushing Project' to look into HF rushing myself.
I've read the 1.11 Guide to HF rushing and I'm keen to start, but just so I'm clear,
1. Only 1 rushee/mule has to be level 20/40 for the ancients, not all of them?
2. If I decide to rush in Classic I avoid the level requirement but I need to get all the characters to Act 3 Hell before converting?
3. Will it likely burn my out of D2?
 
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1. Only 1 rushee/mule has to be level 20/40 for the ancients, not all of them?
2. If I decide to rush in Classic I avoid the level requirement but I need to get all the characters to Act 3 Hell before converting?
3. Will it likely burn my out of D2?

1. Yes, 1-15 trist, 15-25 Tomb, 25-40 Baal. That's how I do it.
2. I believe so.
3. Faster than you can even imagine....

Get a partner if your going to attempt 1.12a rushes, otherwise it takes to long doing it solo, and it gets old really fast.

If you are worried about getting burnt out, make smaller goals. HF rushing is a great way to get some runes, but I think any rune over Lo, you'll be getting sick of it. So great for Fort's and Grief's, but no Enigma's.



 
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3. Faster than you can even imagine....

Brutally honest but thanks, I think I'll try and set it all up and try one set today and see what I think.

If you are worried about getting burnt out, make smaller goals. HF rushing is a great way to get some runes, but I think any rune over Lo, you'll be getting sick of it. So great for Fort's and Grief's, but no Enigma's.

My immediate goals are a Fort a Grief and a CtA. Might take me a little while but I'll see how I feel after the first set. It can't be any more mind numbing than LK running (thats what burnt me out last time)...


 
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It can't be any more mind numbing than LK running

... and he was never heard from again. Famous last words you've got, there.

j/k, good luck with the HF rushing. I know I don't have it in me.


 
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MY HF Rush Thread

I agree that its possible to burn out easily from HF rushing, especially in 1.12a. But if you keep it to a set a day or so its not too bad. Here is my process after a lot of sets practice.

1. Make a level 1 assassin. Assassins are used because they get BoS and that speeds things up a lot.

2. Fast questing. No den, no cain. Head straight for Andy. Usually 16-18 pending number of xp shrines. Envy gear is your friend

3. Have a premade staff, talk to cain/drognan. Head straight to Arcane via harem. Attain level 25 during act 2. Easily accomplished with .07/.09 Raven Claw

4. Repeat process until you have 7xlvl 25 assassins.

5. Rush the 7 level 25 guys to normal wsk. Level guys to 39/40 via baals minions. Do not kill baal.

6. For each of your level 39/40 guys you can make six level 1 guys to drag along with it. My level 40 guy is named Bob. The level 1's are BobOne, BobTwo and so forth. Host with BobOne, join with all of the other Bobs and do only the needed quests. When you reach act 5, join with the high level Bob and kill Baal. Provided the high level Bob needs the quest for Baal all the guys in town will receive the quest as well. Than rush NM and upto act 4 Hell. Collect HFs individually, and your good to go.

Average per set of 7 HFs is 1.2 Guls. For what your after (Fort/Grief/CTA) your probly looking at 13 or 14 Sets.

My HF rush results (12 sets)

Good luck
 
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The more I try to understand this process, the more I wonder why people don't just make the runes from duplication of save files. Is one practice more ethical than the other?
 
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No joke intended... I see very little difference. Players are welcome to adopt what ever standard they wish when playing a game, and both activities are really quite against what I would consider ethical play.
 
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No joke intended... I see very little difference. Players are welcome to adopt what ever standard they wish when playing a game, and both activities are really quite against what I would consider ethical play.

Just commenting on it because it's true.

There is a slight difference HF rushing brings you- a Set of 7 characters that you can use if you ever want (However, personally, I see them all as dead because they were rushed like that.), and it takes MUCH more time than duping saves. (In the time of one rush you can probably turn 2 puls into what... 5 - 10 Zods?)

Point 2 - HF rushing is accepted around here, Duping isn't.


However yea, you're going against the correct play in the first place (Modified dll), and really isn't in the spirit of play anyways (Runes are meant to be their stupid rarity for some reason)- so no matter what side your on, there is a large opposition to it.


I do HF Rush though, btw.




And to Dutes, about #3 (Burning you out of D2), it depends. It can be boring, but personally, I love racking up tons of runes like that... Once you make those better runewords it becomes a ton of fun.


 
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I don't get it, if you want to dupe runes you'll have unlimited Zods in 30 seconds, never mind turning 2 Puls into 5 Zods in an hour or two.

Anyway, using modified .dll's is like using ATMA in my book, and creating characters is not against the game rules, nor against the spirit of the game. This is of course my opinion only. Personally, I think it's fine to think HF rushing is cheesy and stupid and possibly other things, but I think anyone who says it's the same thing as duping probably hasn't thought his position through very carefully.
 
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Than using ATMA is the same thing too. By using ATMA you can store millions of gold, you can have infinity stash and most importantly you can do these without changing your map!

HF rushing is painfull thing, maybe it is not so ethical but it is definately not duping. People give 4-5 hours to HF rushes which is boring and you dont feel like playing believe me.

About your questions dutes:

1. Yes only one of them. It takes 1.5-2 hours.
2. If you will do more than 10-15 runs, and if you dont have problem with carring items from older versions do it in 1.09. You can find items by trading or doing some runs. Wont be big pain.
3. If you do it 1.12 and alone. Yes it will. So either do it in 1.09 or find a friend :)

I hope these will be helpful :)
 
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So reading this thread caused a couple of questions to pop up in my head, which lead me to do some searching around for the answers, and now leads me to ask a question in confirmation of what I think I've figured out, as well as my ultimate conclusion.

Is it only equipable items that have item fingerprints?

The reason I ask is this - my understanding is that it is the fingerprint that allows the detection of dupes, and that by posting the item readouts in the trade forum, at least that gives you a way of searching to see when (if ever) that item has previously been traded (on the forums at least).

But if PGems (the most common currency) and Runes have no fingerprint, then there isn't any way to know whether they are legit. Right?

And the ultimate conclusion is simply this - if I'm right about the fingerprints, then trading is very risky business if you want to be sure your items are all legit - especially when it comes to runes and runeword items.

I only recently started trading on the SPF, but based on the above, I think my new policy is going to be to only trade equipable items for equipable items. Suddenly I just don't have much confidence in the PGems / Rune currency system.
 
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Let's not hijack this thread into a discussion of rushing ethics. Or a discussion of what/how to determine legitimacy or what constitutes such. Hijacking someone else's thread with these tangets is not acceptable. :(

What is - and isn't - acceptable here is clearly explained in the rules and it's not up for debate. If you have questions or concerns about that, then send Thyiad & I a PM.
 
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Hmmm, it got out of hand a little quickly...
Thanks to all those on topic who have contributed, Asmo I've tried the method given in the guide (results below) but I think I'll try yours for the next one as that was fairly painful.

I did a set this afternoon using a Blizz sorc for the rusher, total time taken was about 5 and a half hours, but a lot of that was because I was getting the feel for it. I think I can definitely get in under 5 hours for the next one.

Because I did the whole thing in 1.12 LoD I picked up the NM hf drops as well.

So, the results of my first ever HF Rushing set are:

Nightmare:

Io, Ko, Dol, Fal, Lum, Sol, Io

Hell:

Pul, Pul, Gul, Hel, Lum, Um, Ist

Readouts:
Nightmare

Code:
Io Rune 
Required Level: 35 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: +10 to Vitality 
Armor: +10 to Vitality 
Shields: +10 to Vitality 

Ko Rune 
Required Level: 39 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: +10 to Dexterity 
Armor: +10 to Dexterity 
Shields: +10 to Dexterity 

Dol Rune 
Required Level: 31 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: Hit Causes Monster to Flee 25% 
Armor: Replenish Life +7 
Shields: Replenish Life +7 

Fal Rune 
Required Level: 41 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: +10 to Strength 
Armor: +10 to Strength 
Shields: +10 to Strength 

Lum Rune 
Required Level: 37 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: +10 to Energy 
Armor: +10 to Energy 
Shields: +10 to Energy 

Sol Rune 
Required Level: 27 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: +9 to Minimum Damage 
Armor: Damage Reduced by 7 
Shields: Damage Reduced by 7 

Io Rune 
Required Level: 35 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: +10 to Vitality 
Armor: +10 to Vitality 
Shields: +10 to Vitality

Hell

Code:
Pul Rune 
Required Level: 45 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: +75% Damage to Demons 
+100 to Attack Rating against Demons 
Armor: +30% Enhanced Defense 
Shields: +30% Enhanced Defense 

Pul Rune 
Required Level: 45 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: +75% Damage to Demons 
+100 to Attack Rating against Demons 
Armor: +30% Enhanced Defense 
Shields: +30% Enhanced Defense 

Gul Rune 
Required Level: 53 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: 20% Bonus to Attack Rating 
Armor: +5% to Maximum Poison Resist 
Shields: +5% to Maximum Poison Resist 

Hel Rune 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: Requirements -20% 
Armor: Requirements -15% 
Shields: Requirements -15% 

Lum Rune 
Required Level: 37 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: +10 to Energy 
Armor: +10 to Energy 
Shields: +10 to Energy 

Um Rune 
Required Level: 47 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: 25% Chance of Open Wounds 
Armor: Cold Resist +15% 
Lightning Resist +15% 
Fire Resist +15% 
Poison Resist +15% 
Shields: Cold Resist +22% 
Lightning Resist +22% 
Fire Resist +22% 
Poison Resist +22%

Ist Rune 
Required Level: 51 
Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
Weapons: 30% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items 
Armor: 25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items 
Shields: 25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items

A pretty good first set! I took about a half hour break after popping the NM hf's as I was getting bored. I know I won't be able to do it every day. I'll give Asmo's assassin suggestion a go for the next batch and try and do them in blocks of 7 (if I do that over the course of a week, and aim for say 1 week a month of hf rushing hopefully that will keep me interested).

I'll need 2 Lo's, an Ohm and a Vex (for grief, fortitude, CtA and the Vex for death so I can ebug my eventual Grief host) so that will be my long term goals for this project.


Thanks again to everyone who has provided some advice. Thanks to Fabian and Zylo for your $0.02 during our MP session today. To all, it's much appreciated :)
 
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Congrats on your first set - a pretty good result!

I did 20 of these in 1.12 and burnt myself out enough to stop playing for a couple of months. My advice is to do them slowly and mix it up with questing, MFing etc. Don't make the mistake I made ;-)

Also, I used a 'sin with Khalim's Will + Hsarus + Arctic gear to 15, then 1.09 RC + Iratha's and Twitchthroe at 16. BoS means you run and level quickly.

Good luck!

When you are sitting there looking at your Fortitude/Grief it'll lessen the pain!
 
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I've started HF rushing with similar goals in mind (Fortitude, Grief, Death) and if anything, it has increased my interest. I have specific goals that are attainable in a reasonable amount of time. I don't plan on trying to get a Ber (yet), so I think the time commitment is reasonable. Many people will suggest not bothering with the NM hellforge since it can only drop up to Um, but I like to get it. I like the extra pgems and I seem to have incredible luck with getting Um's in NM (though my luck with Gul's is awful).

Many people like using an Assassin to level to 40. Burst of Speed is hard to beat, though I do love teleport on the Sorc. I don't have a 1.07/1.09 Ravenclaw, but I've found something else that works rather well. I use an Enchantress (~level 65 with so-so gear) to enchant my rushee. At low levels it doesn't matter what weapon you're using - you'll decimate everything. At level 13 I equip Witherstring Hunter's Bow. It's got IAS and fires magic arrows, so you don't actually lose arrows when you fire. Coupled with a moderate Enchant, leveling goes fast. I was getting to level 24 in about 40 minutes.

After doing a number of sets in 1.12, I decided to try 1.09. I now get to experience the thrill (and frustration) of leveling a new sorc to be my rusher, and in a version that I don't remember all that well. This helps keep things fresh for me. As others have said, it helps to mix things up, questing, magic finding, and rushing. It may be a bit of a grind now, but that Frenzy Barb I make is going to be something special...
 
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I like HF rushing from time to time, since it's a change of pace from normal play, but I agree it can burn you out very quickly if you overdo it. What I often do with NM now is complete the quest while doing the rush, that way you get only one rune but still get all the gems you'd get if you did them individually, and you save some time. I always suggest doing the rushes in older versions in classic, as it's less time consuming if you're in it for the long run, but whatever your choice good luck!
 
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Sorry if this is off topic, but I didn't want to make a new thread about HF rushing. Ragnarod, you might be best equipped to answer this...

I just started making a sorc in classic 1.09 to eventually HF rush, but I haven't found the .dll that allows multiple instances in 1.09 classic - is it the same one as in the stickied atma/rwm thread? Thought that was only for 1.12....

Also, is it possible to run a glide wrapper for 1.09 classic? I have sven's running for 1.12 and it has worked much more smoothly.

How long did it take you to build a sorc to start hf rushing in 1.09? Mine's at 40ish after a solid 2 days after starting from scratch - slow going as I haven't played untwinked in a long time, and I'm real unfamiliar with classic. Thx.
 
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+1 for the burning out.

But the same can happen whenever you start working instead of playing - has happened to me several times (I`ve done a couple dozens of HF sets and thousands of mindless rack/chest popping runs), but I return again and again...addicts don't burn out so easily!

Good luck, its a good feeling when you finally see the bunch of runes in your inventory/stash!

Sorry for a bit of OT and hijacking: I really understand how Shagsbeard feels about this, BUT cheese is not the same thing as hacking. We have boatloads of cheese floating around SPF and thats ok, pretty much every game has those "features". Still, more and more I'm leaning towards a complete restart playing as close to vanilla as possible by the time of 1.13...but we'll see...
 
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Sorry if this is off topic, but I didn't want to make a new thread about HF rushing. Ragnarod, you might be best equipped to answer this...

I just started making a sorc in classic 1.09 to eventually HF rush, but I haven't found the .dll that allows multiple instances in 1.09 classic - is it the same one as in the stickied atma/rwm thread? Thought that was only for 1.12....

Also, is it possible to run a glide wrapper for 1.09 classic? I have sven's running for 1.12 and it has worked much more smoothly.

How long did it take you to build a sorc to start hf rushing in 1.09? Mine's at 40ish after a solid 2 days after starting from scratch - slow going as I haven't played untwinked in a long time, and I'm real unfamiliar with classic. Thx.

As far as I know (someone will surely correct me if I'm wrong) the stickied .dll works in all LoD versions, from 1.07 to 1.12, I'd give it a try (back up your current one just in case though!). I've no experience with glide wrappers, can't help you there I'm afraid.

I didn't have to start from scratch in 1.09, since I had a few characters and items in 1.06 already I converted my sorc there to 1.09. Classic 1.09 is doable untwinked too though, rely on Static Field (monster's life can be brought down to a sliver in all three difficulties) and Frozen Orb and you should be fine! The general tactic is casting a Frozen Orb to chill your enemies, Static them a few times, then Orb, then Static... until hopefully they're all dead :) Warmth is important, and Energy Shield is nice to have too (even as a 1-point wonder), but if this is strictly a rushing sorc I'd put a few hard points into Teleport to lower the mana cost, it'll help a lot.

If I'm not mistaken Meph in NM can drop most of the nice uniques you probably want to have (Ume's/Spectral Shard, Eyeless, Magefist...), so you might want to run him for a while if you find your gear isn't up to the task. As long as you can clear the Chaos Sanctuary in NM (you might want to use a 3pdiamond Tower Shield there) you'll be fine, that and Duriel in NM are usually the most troublesome spots (you can handle Meph with the Moat trick, or just convert the chars to 1.12 expansion, after completing act 2 they'll start as champions and you'll just have to kill the Council and Meph for them with your 1.12 chars, which should be a breeze).

Hope this helps you somewhat, good luck!



 
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