Hal's 1.10 Conc Build Guide (Updated Edition)

Anti-Life said:
just wondering after wading through about 20 pages of the thread late one night...

is this build a viable PvP build also? i know it can take on ubers, big D and baal even in 8 player games given the right gear (mate has made one for PvM)


now im wondering if like i said its a viable PvP build like a pure WW barb is or other build would be.

thanks...and great guide Hal...very informative

regards

Anti
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You can pvp with it, though you won't have nearly as much success as you would with a whirler. The problem with conc is that even at it's fastest speed, it still caps out at 9 frames. On top of this, it's a stationary attack, whereas whirlwind is mobile. As such, while you'll do great against other melee classes, you don't stand much of a chance against whirlers or casters of any class.

-Hal



 
Plz spell it out for me Hal! :tongue:

I have an IK set Concentrator (great guide, covers all bases) and i want to know how much IAS i need to make me have a decent speed of swing and how to go about it with items in the spare slots around IK set, all sockets (helm, maul and armour) are free but i don't have 40/15's...Shael's in the maul and ???

Any help would be much appreciated, thanks in advance!
 
MrKaxe:

Shaels in the maul will bring you down to 12 fps (from a default of 15). You'd need 69% to get to 11 frames; you get 25% from the set on the gloves, and two shaels in the maul would be another 40. Meaning, you'd need either Highlord's Wrath neckpiece, or a 15% ias jewel in the helm or armor; I'd go for the Highlord's.

That's the best you can do.

-Hal
 
Halciet said:
MrKaxe:

Shaels in the maul will bring you down to 12 fps (from a default of 15). You'd need 69% to get to 11 frames; you get 25% from the set on the gloves, and two shaels in the maul would be another 40. Meaning, you'd need either Highlord's Wrath neckpiece, or a 15% ias jewel in the helm or armor; I'd go for the Highlord's.

That's the best you can do.

-Hal
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Thx very much for diving into that one my friend that sorts me out! Ur great! Take it easy...
dk



 
HI! :D
Sorry if its lazy of me not to go through over 50 sites of posts :P, but i got some questions to this IRON barb.

I want to make one myself, but theres a few things i dont quite understand.

Is it worth it to use a Beast BA instead of Botd? i know dmg will be some what lower, but ull need a whole lot less IAS cause of the Fana aura ?
Dmg can be made up for with either Forti armor, OR perhaps a phoenix shield? (i know, alot more dex will be required), OR the part i was thinking about, a might merc with pride ?

Looking forward to some replys :), and remember this is not me trying to outsmart anyone, its serious questions im thinking about.

Thnx in advance :)
 
The_Real_Maniac said:
HI! :D
Sorry if its lazy of me not to go through over 50 sites of posts :P, but i got some questions to this IRON barb.

I want to make one myself, but theres a few things i dont quite understand.

Is it worth it to use a Beast BA instead of Botd? i know dmg will be some what lower, but ull need a whole lot less IAS cause of the Fana aura ?
Dmg can be made up for with either Forti armor, OR perhaps a phoenix shield? (i know, alot more dex will be required), OR the part i was thinking about, a might merc with pride ?

Looking forward to some replys :), and remember this is not me trying to outsmart anyone, its serious questions im thinking about.

Thnx in advance :)
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Actually, the speed on Botd with Highlords or a single ias jewel is perfectly
fast enough. Trying to get 125% ias really isn't that important, I've used both
speeds (75%/125%) and both weapons and I would say the top speed is more of a novelty at best.

ias frames attack/sec
0 % 15 1.6
9 % 14 1.7
18 % 13 1.9
30 % 12 2
48 % 11 2.2
75 % 10 2.5
125 % 9 2.7 <-----further ias usless

You can get the 125% of course with botd/2x15 ias jewels(arreat/ss)/LoH gloves/Highlords which is fun PvM. But if your going pure Iron, BvB, you might want to consider a Grief Phase Blade/Stormshield.



 
Alright, thnx alot barloc :)
BoTD it is.

Next question! :)

For merc.. Is it worth it to make a might pride merc to boost dmg for both of us with 2 nice auras? Can merc survive or will he suffer?
If _not_ wouldnt perhaps Botd be better than doom with the huge dmg it adds ?
 
The_Real_Maniac said:
Alright, thnx alot barloc :)
BoTD it is.

Next question! :)

For merc.. Is it worth it to make a might pride merc to boost dmg for both of us with 2 nice auras? Can merc survive or will he suffer?
If _not_ wouldnt perhaps Botd be better than doom with the huge dmg it adds ?
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I've used Doom and Botd on the merc and I prefer the Botd for the same reason I'd use it on my Barb. Damage/leach + monsters don't drop when they pop into ice cubes (can't hork them for mf/gf either). Pride looks cool, I havent got one ever myself, but I'd probably try Reaper's Toll since people rave about the effect of decrepify.

Effect: Target's Speed, Damage and Physical Resistance -50%!!!!



 
majidx said:
I didn't want to read through 59 pages of a post, so I apologize if this is a repeat. Does this work with 1.11?
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Absolutely. Nothing that influences this changed in 1.11. This is still a very viable guide. Heck, get enough CB and you could even Uber with it if you're into a serious challenge.



 
This guide has had the most research & debate going into it,it has been perfected,nothing has changed except possibility of using newer more powerful weapons.

Rik
 
I have followed Hal's guide as well (and used it since v1.11 came out), and agree that it is a very good guide. I think it is especially good for people who don't have a lot of experience playing on hell difficulty, as the guide's strongest point is keeping you alive.

I used to stink up the joint in hell difficulty, and Hal's guide definitely allows for a large margin of user error. About the only complaint one can direct at this guide is that this is not the guide you use if you go for speed. While you have crowd control skills, you really don't have anything when it comes to a mass attack. The guide is designed around limiting the number of enemies you have to fight at a single time, and killing small number of enemies quickly. Just don't expect to clear out the entire Throne of Baal level and all of Baal's minion is a couple of minutes.
 
I wish we had a rep system on this forum, because I think Aldeth hit this right on the head - those are the exact strengths/weaknesses of the build. +imaginary karma (and some to Rik and Frank as well, for handling the question at hand :wink: ).

maj: as others have pointed out, the build itself is unchanged form 1.1 to 1.11; the only differences are that there are several more powerful items to consider in the latest patch, though nothing mind-blowing. I should really get around to updating that at some point!

-Hal
 
Absolutely. The only barb skill that will not allow leeching is berserk, because it changes physical damage to magic damage. All the damage concentrate deals is physical (well, you could have elemental charms on you or have elemental mods on the weapon, but the skill itself adds to the physical damage of the weapon) so yes, it leeches like crazy.
 
Hal, I have 1 question for you: Have you thought about making a speedier version of the build? I've been playing around with it where I took maxed zerk/bash/bo/conc/mastery and all the 1 point wonders, my conc using an ideal item setup can solo physical immunes with little to no difficulty.
It also does quite a bit more damage, while still providing most of the survivability. I know there are already Conc/Zerk hybrid builds, but this one differs in the fact that, you should almost NEVER have to use zerk (Save chaos sanct and stoneskin/phys immune mobs.)

Also, you may want to add in Last Wish or Kingslayer runeword weps as viable boss killing alternatives. The crushing blow really adds to the build.

I'm currently about to use your build (with the minor adjustments I mentioned for speed) in the new upcoming ladder race to 99, we'll see how it holds up untwinked!
 
It's an interesting idea, but you point out a flaw right from the outset by saying you should almost never have to use berzerk to begin with (in which case those 20 points are wasted the majority of the time). For the instances where you do need to use it, one point with 20 shout will prove more than sufficient. Similarly, the bash synergy is extremely gear dependent, and only really shines when you have a BotD-equivalent weapon and a host of +max charms.

That's not to knock the idea, of course, as it's certainly a viable option :)

And yep; some day I need to go back and update the guide with a lot of extra information regarding new runewords and strategies. It's a bit of a pain to get things changed once their in the compendium though :/

-Hal
 
Re: Hal's 1.10 Conc Build Guide (Updated Edition)

i donno if i missed out something, but i have a few doubts... my build is almost like what was explained here... first i'll tell the build, then i'll tell my problems with it...

Level 80 barb
equip:
Prim weapon: Flamebellow(Mal)+Stormshield ... Mal for "Prevent monster heal"
Sec weapon: 'Fury' Legend Sword+'Call to Arms' Executioner Blade
Armor: 'Enigma' Ornate Plate
Helm: Arreat's face (Cham) ... did this for the 'cannot be frozen'
Gloves: IK Set war gauntlets
Boots: IK Set war boots
Belt: IK Set belt (I chose these 3 from the set coz they give quite a lot of bonuses when equipped together)
Amulet: Mara's Kaleidoscope
Rings: Manald heal+Bul Kathos

Stats: (with all equip)
str: 335
dex: 185
life: 980
mana: around 70-80

Skills:
Sword Mastery - 20
Concentrate - 15
Iron Skin - 20
Natural Res - 8
Berserk - 8
Battle Orders - 10
All the rest - 1 each

Now I have 2 problems:
1. his Attack Speed is not great... it's OK but not as good as i'd like it to be
2. he dies now and then... i mean, i know 900 is not much but with BO, it comes to 1600+ so i don't know where i missed something...

Hal if you could help me, it'd be great...

P.S: I don't play much online... i play single player mostly...
 
Re: Hal's 1.10 Conc Build Guide (Updated Edition)

@ashwinthegrim: I think the weapon is the main problem. If you can afford enigma, a Mal rune and a Cham rune then you can definately afford a better weapon. Grief, Botd, Oath and usch would be much better. Lacking this maybe an Azurewrath could work. Your life is probably low because you did not max BO (which absolutely shoud be done as it is both the most important synergy for concentrate, but also your main life source.) That in combination with high str spending at the cost of vitality makes you rather fragile. especially against whatever ignores your probably high defence.

The IK combination is always nice, but for high survivability Dracul's Grasp is a godsend for a melee build. If you can keep a decent damage and attack speed up you should be pretty much unkillable with them. Goreriders + Verdungo could be an option to the other pieces, assuming you hit an ok IAS breakpoint.
 
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