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woodenidol

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Found Sacred Charge

So after Pat'ing my Double Swinger I have been running the pits with him. Ok, running is an exageration, crawling? Im not really in danger, but its slow going compared to what most of you vets do.

Anyway, I found Bul-Kathos Sacred Charge. I lack the stregth for it, but was wondering if its worth pairing with my light saber. My choices would be to rebuild him, or to upgrade to 1.13 to get the respec.

I have presently gone back to my Tyrants club "Black" with my Lightsaber. They are similar, both have KB, but Sacred charge is has more damage and resist all.

Thoughts. I may find something else as I run throught he pits, but I thought my find was pretty nice. I would time my runs, all I would need is a callendar! doh.
 
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Well, if you have sword mastery, it's better than Tyrant Club I guess, but I haven't heard much good about that set, so I'd only use it as an temporary solution until you can make Oath and Death RWs.
So I vote no, I wouldn't rebuild him just so that he could use BKSC. :)
 
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It's not a bad weapon, and the resistance bonus is nice. How much STR do you lack, above all else?
 
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Lacking 40 Strength.

Well, Im not sure I can count on Finding Mal, Lo and Vex for Grief and Death.
 
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Oath
4 Socket Swords/Axes/Maces
Shael + Pul + Mal + Lum

30% Chance To Cast Level 20 Bone Spirit On Striking
Indestructible
+50% Increased Attack Speed
+210-340% Enhanced Damage (varies)
+75% Damage To Demons
+100 To Attack Rating Against Demons
Prevent Monster Heal
+10 To Energy
+10-15 Magic Absorb (varies)
Level 16 Heart Of Wolverine (20 Charges)
Level 17 Iron Golem (14 Charges)

Runes are easy to get with 1 or 2 HF rushes, if you do them, and even if you don't, they are not that hard to get by running Countess patiently. ;)
 
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I've always thought BK Sacred Charge was a very reasonable Set/Unique sword for a dual-wielding barbarian (I'd put it in the Top3 with Doombringer and Grandfather). It seems especially well suited for an Act5 merc too. But once you start opening up even moderately-priced runeword options (like Oath and Crescent Moon) then the BK sword will get pushed down the list quite quickly.

For the moment you might be able to tweak your gear a little and get the +40 strength that way (i.e. a few charms, swapping one item for another with +strength, Perfect Amethyst sockets, etc.)... or if you've got a socketing quest for the sword, a Hel rune would cover a nice chunk of that 40 str difference too.

My suggestion would be to identify one or two pieces of gear that you think you can replace, and see if you can find a reasonable replacement for them that'll mostly cover your strength needs (at least, on a temporary basis). Then you can try the sword and see if you think it's a good idea to stick with the temporary solution, or if you want to adjust your gear in some other way to keep the sword, or if you do actualy think a rebuild would be worthwhile for you (afterall, it's your decision to decide on "worthwhile").

Personally, I agree with the others that a rebuild's probably not worthwhile overall - if you're at all interested in collecting items, then other (read: better) options are hopefully just around the corner. Even if you've got another build idea or two in the works, I'd recommend trying those first before you decide to pursue a rebuild.
 
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Yeah, 4 Pammies into a body armor will cover that STR. The runeword Lionheart (HelLumFal) gives +25 STR with other awesome bonuses and hopefully won't take very long to get runes for at the Countess (I've run her with a Barbarian, it's fairly efficient). Spirit Forge (ExU armor) gives +15 STR and has 2 sockets along with other good bonuses.
 
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Thanks for all replies.

My Double Swinger is presently built with Straight Damage Reduction being his defense. At the present that locks in my Ammy, Circlet and Armour. My lack of strong weapons seem to be what caused me issues on builds relying on LL as I simply didnt hit very hard. So Damage Reduction got me over the hump. I guess I can search around to see what strength charms I may have and give it a try.

If I can get a stronger weapon or weapons, I have thought of loading 1.13, doing a respect and trying a more LL dependant build.

Im thinking I may be better off looking for an UM and making CM to pair with Lightsaber for now.
 
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How much PDR do you have?


Also, Poops, you were forgetting Azurewrath, methinks. That easily beats BKSCh, Doombringer (arguably) and Grandfather.
 
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I had been shooting for 100+ PDR, but I have at present 80 PDR. The bulk of it comes from the Circlet, Ammy and Armour. I have a smaller piece coming from two rings.

My boots and gloves are the most replaceable at the moment. The gloves are Blood crafted, giving me a LL and CB. Boots are Mostly Resistance and Increase Speed. I Just found Sandstroms Trek and have Sigons for a plus 20 STR.

I did aquire the runes for Treachery, so I could just switch from PDR to %PDR, with Treachery and SOE. That would free up alot of my equipment for change. My worry is, I still dont do much damage for LL to keep me going.

Im tempted to respec him into a more hybrid of DS and WW. I have been running the pits, and I think that may speed things up and give me some advantage in other areas?
 
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Found enough strength items to equip Sacred Charge. I found it underwhelming unfortunatly. The damage is higher than my "Black Tryrants" but I didnt notice much advantage, and I lose hammers bonus damage to undead. Part was due to me having to sacrifice my PDR to use it, but it seems it may not be much of an upgrade over my black.

Still thinking LL with Treachery might be workable.
 
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Well, the Charge has a very nice resistance bonus. What if you try Black + BKSC? That should give you a good amount of Crushing Blows, above all else.
 
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Tubba Blubba said:
Well, the Charge has a very nice resistance bonus. What if you try Black + BKSC? That should give you a good amount of Crushing Blows, above all else.
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Hmm, well since I have just been running the pits, maybe that would work. I had kept Lightsaber as I have no other PI solution as I dont have, nor do I wish to use Berserk with this Character.



 
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If you encounter a mob with Stone Skin, an amplify damage wand (shopped) will do the trick.
 
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There's the slight problem that you can't purchase wands with AmpDamage charges - because they don't spawn. You'd need to find a weapon with chance-to-cast Amp, but that's not limited to wands, and I believe you're only going to get a 5% chance to cast (so it can take some hits to trigger).

And Azurewrath (and its level85 requirement) are overrated as an overall solution. Unless I'm only running undead (i.e. Pindle), I'm choosing something else.
 
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Well, Azurath may not be ideal, but it would certainly be an improvement for me. lol.

I am however only lvl 82. Since Im enjoying playing right now, and I dont want to make one of the more mainstream and effective characters for magic/rune/charm finder. Im working on trying to optimize this character.

So I have several things Im working on. I want to find some better charms to help with resistances and so forth. I would atleast like to find an UM to try Cesent Moon, and I would like to keep leveling.

Im starting to wonder if just two Tyrant "Blacks" wouldnt be faster in the pits than LIghtsaber and my "Black".

I have tried running Ancients Way, much more difficult for me character. I like running council, but its very dangerous for me, and I would like to keep lvlying.

I tried doing some LK runs for runes and charms, but I seem to lack the prerequisite patience, and the ability to run by a monster without trying to kill it, hence, most of what I do is at a rather snails pace.

Presently Im running Pits and now the Countess.

Any suggestions on a better way to increase my Items or runes with this character?
 
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How do you do against Mephisto? If you can run him well enough then he's definitely worth a couple hundred runs. In fact, bosses are the best bet for item-hunting for you right now.

Otherwise, I'd say just stick with what you're doing... Countess & Pits would probably be my recommended areas too.

By the way, are you running on /players1? At this point you'll probably make more headway on lower settings - the lower experience will be more than offset by more frequent kills and drops and better survivability.
 
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Sir,

Im running on players 1 exclusively in Hell, anything else is just painfully slow even by my standards.

I was not running Mephisto very well, but that was several levels ago, so I guess I should give it a go. I need to look at GoMule since I use atma, and Im seriously considering switching to 1.13. Last time I looked at GoMule I was perplexed on how to use it (hell to get old and senile), so I didnt look at it much more.

I noticed there was a run calculator, so I might be interested to see a more accurate measure of just how I am wasting my time. smile.
 
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woodenidol said:
I was not running Mephisto very well, but that was several levels ago, so I guess I should give it a go.
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Yeah, Meph is a perennial favorite for MF runs. While he can't drop the highest-level stuff in the game, he can drop plenty of good stuff. If you've got a good map for running him, then you can add him in even when you're doing area runs.
woodenidol said:
I need to look at GoMule since I use atma, and Im seriously considering switching to 1.13. Last time I looked at GoMule I was perplexed on how to use it (hell to get old and senile), so I didnt look at it much more.
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I recently got GoMule, after having used ATMA for ages. After a minor hiccup with it not reading ATMA v5.04c stash files, I find I'm quite liking it. One feature I really like is the ability to move multiple items at once. This lets you spend more time playing and less time muling. I just spent a while (like three hours or so, man I suck) cubing up all my gems, and I shudder to imagine what that would have been like if I'd had to move them all manually. It was bad enough having to click so many times in game.

The interface does take a bit of getting used to, though, so I see what you mean.
woodenidol said:
I noticed there was a run calculator, so I might be interested to see a more accurate measure of just how I am wasting my time. smile.
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I tend not to use those calculators much, as they're just depressing when you see how low the odds really are. I just run areas or bosses and take what I get, and it's worked great for me so far. Remember that increasing your run speed, even at the expense of MF, is often worthwhile.
 
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pharoah,

That was my issue, it was not reading the stash files. To test it, I just copied the stash file onto desk top and then it was fine. Actually it was more an issue of I couldnt seem to find the actual file in Atma.

Anyway, I havent used it yet, as I was hoping to not used this copied file. If I have to, I will move my one other small jewel file over and delete Atma, so I dont have a redundant file.

I did run Meph. Its not horrible, but its not fast either.
 
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