Forum Mafia - The Dark Tower Game Thread

[Gwaihir]

I think you are either scum or have an anti-town wincon as a neutral. I do not at all believe that you are trying to help town.

Even though I story confirmed shot at 2 confirmed mafia? If I was anti-town, why would I not shoot Noamrr (assuming he is neutral) or no one at all? Could have just kept the kill to myself and used it sneakily at the end of the game.

Walter Podick wants everything to stay the same, but with him as god.

I am ok with this. All are welcome to apply as minions You may or may not have to dress up like this:

 

[Gwaihir]

Damn, lost the image

 

[Gwaihir]

NM, I fail.

If you actually want to see, look here.

http://www.popcults.com/e3-2013-despicable-me-minion-rush/

Probably should have figured this out before thread clogging.

 

[pharphis]

I was going to quote you but my post looked horrible.


Anyway, i was just going to say that if I wasn't so sure Noammr is mafia I would think you were in cahoots with him as a neutral group

 

[flubbucket1]

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Why investigate Moar?



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I thought it would clear some things up on my chart between you and her. I've drawn some rather messy lines here. It's gotten almost useless at this point. It looks like someone threw up in MS Paint.

 

[Noammr]

So you share a win with the mafia. I will vote you now for sure.

So you just get a name and alignment flip? So how do you know I am 100% who I said I am? According to what you just said you wouldn't know that I am a VT.

You're not exactly a VY according to what I know, even if you think you are.
However, I'm 100% sure your claimed name is indeed your role.

Your claim just reeks so hard of "lynch me and town loses" it's ridiculous.

Does your ability have a name?

Lynching me won't make the town lose. In fact, most of the damage has been done now that the cat's out of the bag.
My ability doesn't have a name, it's plainly described in words.

Also, whether my rxn was good or bad, I really like the idea and label of trapstigation. Cute!

Btw the reason I went for it at all is our mason group hasn't had a town read on you all game.

1- : )

2- Not surprising, I've been away a lot due to work and in addition I've played this round low-key since I get the feeling I don't really understand the current meta.



What do you think of my offer to lock CG for a lynch? It occurred to me it's a pretty good way to confirm claims after our last lynch.

 

[pharphis]

I don't have a huge opinion on the lock.

I will now say that I did have 1x role cop and investigated Noammr before the trapstigation.
He flipped as role cop, strong anti-town potential role. I'm surprised you didn't just claim that.

This is the actual evidence I have against you and wanted you to say as much as you could before claiming it.

 

[IWantToUseNumbersInMyName]

Lore wise, a lock by gwai seems best, and most likely to result in actual death, or at least a cool interaction, IF CG if mordred.

 

[Noammr]

I don't have a huge opinion on the lock.

I will now say that I did have 1x role cop and investigated Noammr before the trapstigation.
He flipped as role cop, strong anti-town potential role. I'm surprised you didn't just claim that.

This is the actual evidence I have against you and wanted you to say as much as you could before claiming it.

I have not idea why you'd get that result.
Then again, Drixx couldn't really answer that I'm a cop/bodyguard hybrid with specific limitation about who I can target.

I also hope you're keeping an eye on all of these "confimed" townies who've gone all quite.
I'd trust no one apart from the mason group, coju and moar.

 

[flubbucket1]

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I'd trust no one apart from the mason group, coju and moar.

If it weren't for the fact I'm a simpleton, I would be offended. But since I am....

 

[IWantToUseNumbersInMyName]

Good thing I haven't gone quiet. Also, anyone whos been story confirmed can be trusted to be who they say they are, and the masons should know that I'm who I say I am. The deflection is nice and all, but its not relevant to the discussion right now, especially when the two you listed are the ones with the least information to support that view on them.

 

[Jcakes1]

Ok this may be a little WoT'y but bare with me, it is most of the evidence that I've been collecting on Noammr and I wanted it all in one post. I am happy to go for a CG lynch, but wanted this in one place for the rest of the townie.


ok now for evidence

Unless the town/masons haven't been paying attention, then all of the scum have been correctly identified. As of this morning, we mafia know all the important power roles in the game.

Starting two days ago, this stopped being a game of "Who is who?". It is now a war of attrition, and we intend to win it.

I wonder how mafia know who all the key power roles are ... could it be because they have a role cop?

Role Claim:

I'm Earl Harrigan, unfound. Would prefer not to reveal my wincon but I will if town majority ask for it.
Suffice to say my wincon doesn't conflict with town interests and has to do with the way the game is concluded.

I can also confirm Moar is 100% who she said she is.

Question to all the lore-savvy: Now that we know Gwihir's claim is real; Does the wincon he claimed make sense for his character, lore-wise?

This is where it gets a little confusing, Noammr says he can confirm that Moar is 100% who she says she is, yet his complete role claim later on states "There are several characters which will end the game in the mafia's favor if killed. Every night I can either investigate and detect whether this connection is present or one-shot protect each character I find." How would that prove Moars claim either way? Some inconsistencies in Noammrs claim already.

I am willing to do this. I had wondered if Mordred would be Red or another unfound, so there is a distinct possibility he is actually the one I am looking for anyways, and is lying about his name. As town would be unlikely to take care of another unfound for me, I think this might actually be my preference.

This quote is about Mordred not being Red, but potentially being Noammr.

No faction. I have limited investigative and protective powers, which is very much in line with my wincon.
No killing-blocking-restricting abilities of any sort.

It's very likely coju is telling the truth.
Can verify tomorrows.

Fine, I'll elaborate even though I firmly believe this is a stupid mistake:
There are several (don't know have many, have hints at two) hidden win-mechanics in play, my wincon is to avoid them. My abilities are geared towards this and as part of that I know Moar is the character she claimed and can check up on coju.
Satisfied?

Again doesn't add up with Noammr's full claim today about how his ability works. What is special about Coju and Moar?

Your wincon is to prevent other neutral win cons from happening? sounds like more than anything Gwaihir should want to kill you lol.

Can you give us an actual clue of what investigative roles you have/have used to determine that moar is honest?
Do you have other results you feel like you should share for the benefit of the town/yourself?

It's not neutral win cons, there's at least one townie (or maybe ka-tet specific, I'm not sure) and one for the mafia. I will not go into any more details. Maybe there are additional ones for neutrals, but I somewhat doubt it.
My investigative ability is specifically geared towards said goal. I revealed what I did about moar and coju because I feel it's my best chance to achieve standard victory with the town. Anything else I say will only harm my chances.

This was the post that Pharphis pointed out about Noammr being a little cagey about his role.

Mordred is Red.

I tell you this because I like you.

Are you trying to hurt my feelings? Even after I just said that I liked you? Well, if so, you've succeeded. Consider them hurt.

It's okay, though. My feelings regenerate at twice the rate of normal scum.

Fairly soon after Gwaihir is considering going after Noammr, CG claims that Mordred is red. Why would he do that unless he wants to protect Noammr?

Oh, for crying out loud...
I gave you practically all the info I could give without spelling it out for the mafia to use.

But fine, whatever:
There are several characters which will end the game in the mafia's favor if killed. Every night I can either investigate and detect whether this connection is present or one-shot protect each character I find.

This is his claimed ability

So you get a complete flip on investigation? Or just that there is that connection present or not?

Moar's question about how the role works.

Neither.
If there is a connection I get a confirmation along with a name-flip. No role info.
Do you understand why I was reluctant to explain this in detail?

I gotta say phar, your reaction to my claim was super frustrating. I feel you were so focused on your trapstigation that you never stopped to consider I might actually be telling the truth.

Noammr claims straight out that he does not get Role.

I don't have a huge opinion on the lock.

I will now say that I did have 1x role cop and investigated Noammr before the trapstigation.
He flipped as role cop, strong anti-town potential role. I'm surprised you didn't just claim that.

This is the actual evidence I have against you and wanted you to say as much as you could before claiming it.

Pharphis' result is that Noammr's ability is Role Cop. Noammr claimed straight out that he gets no role information what so ever, hence not a role cop.

OK that is pretty much the evidence.

Tl;dr - Noammr claims an ability that can investigate but doesn't get role information, our flip on Noammr is Role Cop, CG posted that mafia know who all the power roles in the game are leading us to believe that Mafia have a Role Cop, CG attempts to deflect Gwai's thought that Noammr might be mordered => Noammr is in league with CG and thus scum.

 

[Jcakes1]

Good thing I haven't gone quiet. Also, anyone whos been story confirmed can be trusted to be who they say they are, and the masons should know that I'm who I say I am. The deflection is nice and all, but its not relevant to the discussion right now, especially when the two you listed are the ones with the least information to support that view on them.

Story doesn't necessarily mean anything given we suspect that mafia have fake claims (their fake claim could appear in the story).

I can vouch for you, although we haven't had a nice gift in a while

 

[Jcakes1]

I get the feeling most of the Town want to vote CG today, I get the feeling this is going to backfire and I reserve the right to say "I told you so" and we should have voted Noammr.

 

[Noammr]

@Jackes- I've already addressed most of your "inconsistencies". In short - the reasons I was cagey about my role should be obvious, coju and moar are now targets for whoever remains of the mafia team (you ask why they're special? did you read any of my posts today?) and I can confirm they are who they claimed to be. My 100% comment wasn't referring to the specifics of their role or abilities.

As for CG's words, obvious scum trolling the town really shouldn't be taken seriously.

I get the feeling my posts are falling on blind eyes and I'll be lynched either way so whatever. I just hope you have the collective wits \to avoid losing this game after my flip shows I was telling the truth.

 

[Jcakes1]

I have not idea why you'd get that result.
Then again, Drixx couldn't really answer that I'm a cop/bodyguard hybrid with specific limitation about who I can target.

I also hope you're keeping an eye on all of these "confimed" townies who've gone all quite.
I'd trust no one apart from the mason group, coju and moar.

Except that Drixx has come up with names for other roles. "healer", "Messenger Robot", "Fascinator (combination roleblock + silencer)" I get the feeling he'd have come up with a name for your role other than "Role Cop" when as you claim yourself you do not get anyone's role.

 

[Jcakes1]

I am going to Vote: Caluin Graye.

I personaly believe that we should be going for Noammr, but as I have to go to bed soon and I doubt anyone else believes me I will be content to go for CG (going to say I told you so if he doesn't die though )

This is my list of where people sit.
White
100% sure:
2: pharphis=Roland, white
13: djmbbandie= eddie, white
17: Jcakes=oy, white
19: IWanttoUseNumbersinMyName=ted brautigan, white (Masons have received gifts apparently from him)

In decreasing order of likelihood:
20: TheMouseT=callahan, priest (semi role flip when silenced by Messenger Robot)
1: flubbucket=sheemie, white (claims cop, showed CG to be scum)
6: Moar=vt, white (proven by glibb and Noammr)18: Coju=moses carver, vt, white (proven by glibb and Noammr - tried to provide some info to Moar to back up his claim, haven't heard what Moar thought of that)

Red
12: Noammr= neutral that wins if certain win conditions are prevented
15: Caluin Graye=????, red

Unfound
22: Gwaihir=walter podick, survivor, unfound

Unconfirmed:
21: Zauper=doc, white, can't remember the name. Could be correct as we may have had a save last night, hard to confirm either way.
16: Phillinnicus=patrick danville, white (no real evidence either way)

 

[Jcakes1]

@Moar: Not sure if this means anything to you, don't think I saw you acknowledge this post and I noted you still appear to doubt Coju

I'm told I'm the founder of "that corporation". I'm also the last member of the Ka___ of the Rose. If that helps you, Moar.

 

[pharphis]

Also keep in mind that my 1x ability (gift) was called role cop, and the result I got was role cop. A given ability should have the same name.
Looks like we're doing this, though
Vote: Caluin Graye

 

[coju]

The consensus is back on CG?