Forum Mafia - The Dark Tower Game Thread

Caluin Graye said:
His first two. He got an Unfound result on BA, who flipped red. He then got a Red result on Gwaihir, who claims Unfound and also investigated as such by another investigative role.
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Right, but wet don't really know about gwaihir yet, so that's not confirmed.

There is obviously something weird going on with him though. I'm leaning town on him. I'm also leaning town on you, but not by much. You're still behind a few people.

Jcakes said:
you believe Moar? On what basis?
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I do too. Played quite a few games with her and I feel like she's being honest. I hope that she doesn't mod kill herself though.
 
@Laarz: who did you target with your jail ability last night?

No one complaining of being silenced for the second day in a row, btw..
 
I think we need to ignore the supposed daykill ability of Gwaihir and lynch BA, particularly since he flipped strongman.

Gwaihir: can you re-target your ability at someone else? Like, say, Gory?

Gory gives mafia day QT access while he's still alive, so he's worth lynching in the short term as well.
 
Zauper said:
And CDM? We know that VT exists.
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Yes, my bad. I was mostly just teasing CG who I'm unsure about. I get the feeling flubb's results are random in some sense.

About moar:
I'm with kegs. I have one big problem with her claim and it's not from a suspicion pov.
I find claims like hers frustrating because she's either honest like most would suspect of someone who is "throwing in the towel"
or she's a lying jerkwad who's using the "I give up card" so that she's never lynched and deemed townie for the above reason. If you don't believe she's townie and she turns up townie it automatically makes suspicious players look like jerks and is bordering on the questioning RL problem. Do you believe someone wasn't able to attend the thread for whatever reason they have from RL? Well ofc, and it's the same deal here.

the reason this is so bad is that players will either never be trusted for what I think is a bad move because in a way it circumvents the idea that only the mod knows everyone's alignment. As soon as someone does the give-up claim then 'essentially' confirms to everyone their own role. It's almost identical to a modkill but w/o the penalty on the faction.
 
pharphis said:
Yes, my bad. I was mostly just teasing CG who I'm unsure about. I get the feeling flubb's results are random in some sense.

About moar:
I'm with kegs. I have one big problem with her claim and it's not from a suspicion pov.
I find claims like hers frustrating because she's either honest like most would suspect of someone who is "throwing in the towel"
or she's a lying jerkwad who's using the "I give up card" so that she's never lynched and deemed townie for the above reason. If you don't believe she's townie and she turns up townie it automatically makes suspicious players look like jerks and is bordering on the questioning RL problem. Do you believe someone wasn't able to attend the thread for whatever reason they have from RL? Well ofc, and it's the same deal here.

the reason this is so bad is that players will either never be trusted for what I think is a bad move because in a way it circumvents the idea that only the mod knows everyone's alignment. As soon as someone does the give-up claim then 'essentially' confirms to everyone their own role. It's almost identical to a modkill but w/o the penalty on the faction.
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I hope this isn't offensive as I didn't mean to offend anyone with this. Just stating some thoughts that should probably be discussed in more detail post-game.
imo if people can't commit to a game for whatever reason and are actually giving up they should just tell the mod and accept the mod kill. That way there is less drama in the game thread and I bet it would be easier on the mod, too. Like, what if all this happened at MYLO?
 
pharphis said:
Yes, my bad. I was mostly just teasing CG who I'm unsure about. I get the feeling flubb's results are random in some sense.

About moar:
I'm with kegs. I have one big problem with her claim and it's not from a suspicion pov.
I find claims like hers frustrating because she's either honest like most would suspect of someone who is "throwing in the towel"
or she's a lying jerkwad who's using the "I give up card" so that she's never lynched and deemed townie for the above reason. If you don't believe she's townie and she turns up townie it automatically makes suspicious players look like jerks and is bordering on the questioning RL problem. Do you believe someone wasn't able to attend the thread for whatever reason they have from RL? Well ofc, and it's the same deal here.

the reason this is so bad is that players will either never be trusted for what I think is a bad move because in a way it circumvents the idea that only the mod knows everyone's alignment. As soon as someone does the give-up claim then 'essentially' confirms to everyone their own role. It's almost identical to a modkill but w/o the penalty on the faction.
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This is a good point, but at this point we have three confirmed non-town to kill:
BA, Gwaihir, and Gory.

I don't know of any reason why we should kill anyone before those three.
 
Zauper said:
This is a good point, but at this point we have three confirmed non-town to kill:
BA, Gwaihir, and Gory.

I don't know of any reason why we should kill anyone before those three.
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And the drinking. Don't forget about the drinking. It's my Friday and I've already stardted slamminkding the whiskiy like the bokmbs are droppin' on my house. Hallelujah Hallelujah
 
Zauper said:
This is a good point, but at this point we have three confirmed non-town to kill:
BA, Gwaihir, and Gory.

I don't know of any reason why we should kill anyone before those three.
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Although Gwaihir is neutral it is possible he's telling the truth, and the more I think about his claimed wincon with the vig shot the more it makes sense. Maybe Gwaihir is just really crafty but I've been thinking about neutrals with very similar wincons and abilities recently, actually.

I'm inclined to agree with you except I think Laarz belongs in there before Gwaihir. OFC we don't have any proof but he's proven incredibly reluctant to give us his actions for every night and the lack of silencing seems likely to be mafia trying to blow off the whole thing.


@ Laarz and coju, do you think Gwaihir should be killed lynched if his kill on Ba is successful? Why/Why not? If it isn't successful?
Should he be lynched before or after BA?
 
pharphis said:
Although Gwaihir is neutral it is possible he's telling the truth, and the more I think about his claimed wincon with the vig shot the more it makes sense. Maybe Gwaihir is just really crafty but I've been thinking about neutrals with very similar wincons and abilities recently, actually.

I'm inclined to agree with you except I think Laarz belongs in there before Gwaihir. OFC we don't have any proof but he's proven incredibly reluctant to give us his actions for every night and the lack of silencing seems likely to be mafia trying to blow off the whole thing.


@ Laarz and coju, do you think Gwaihir should be killed lynched if his kill on Ba is successful? Why/Why not? If it isn't successful?
Should he be lynched before or after BA?
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I think I believe laarz, currently. But I'll ask again: Laarz, who did you target last night? If he's not willing to tell us, then we may need to lynch him.

Pharphis:
Morder (or whatever his name is) is red. If Gwaihir is a neutral that wins with town, how can part of his wincondition be that he loses if a member of the red is alive? That makes no sense.

Beyond that, neutrals are bad for town, because a neutral win means a town loss. Based on that, I'd say we have to kill the neutral.
 
Neutral doesn't necessarily mean that another faction can't win. That's how I interpret the definition, actually.

Take Survivor or VI. VI can with with either or both of town and mafia, and so can Survivor. SK can only win with other neutrals. Recently I hosted a game where 2/3 neutrals one and both town and mafia lost. Survivor + SK one and VI lost.
 
I would also anticipate mordred as possible SK but there's no evidence for SK yet so I'm doubting the existence of one. Red seems much, much more likely for mordred
 
Also: Why did you target whoever you targetted last night, Laarz?

Pharphis: can I ask you a question? Did you recruit someone into the mason group last night?
 
I'm not answering that question. If I did there is more than enough masons alive (4) to prove the unknown ka-tet member as townie when the time comes.
 
pharphis said:
I'm not answering that question. If I did there is more than enough masons alive (4) to prove the unknown ka-tet member as townie when the time comes.
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Not asking who you recruited (and unless your mason recruit is different, generally mason recruits can be mafia?).

Guess it doesn't matter atm.
 
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