twisturwhig
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hxcskreemer is right. My chantress uses kuko shakuko bow and i dont get 1/3rd. The 1/3rd is mainly designed to balance zons so they dont own the planet.
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Enchant/es Sorc Using Widowmaker?
- Thread starter hxcskreemer
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hxcskreemer
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guys i think i might just scrap this build because it is becoming very item intensive when using energy shield... i might just go all vita rather than all mana with ES... i think that would allow for more options in terms of gear selection...
Even with exploding arrows, the mastery dont get applied twice!yes i know, unless you use a bow with exploding arrows...
Its true you have the chance of doing double damage IF the arrow hit and you allso get the "splash" dammage from the exploting arrow.
But enchantress has low ar and will have a hard time hitting with the arrow.
So most of the time only the damage from the "splash" will be done.
And the LCS is bugged! if it says 10k fire damage you are probberly doing
5-6k IRL.
Summerfun
Faster Ias
if u are willing to make a faster shooting encahtress id stick with an armor and helm that gives u ressit n ias such as
a +2 sorc 20fcr 30 ias 30 resist helm
its a circ with +2 sorc 20 fcr and 2 open sockets, id fig that no point in adding what 500 in physical damage when u can get 30 ias n 30 ressit
and for armor im using a 60 ias 60 resist armor with 98 life
this is a lil pricy but that hsould fix most of ur ias break points
stick on a nos to get a boost of 10ias
and using highlrods getting htat 20 ias and deadly strike is a + for a bow sorc
and if ur willing to spend a lil more on merc gear get a merc faith and that willd efinitly fix ur ias break point
if u are willing to make a faster shooting encahtress id stick with an armor and helm that gives u ressit n ias such as
a +2 sorc 20fcr 30 ias 30 resist helm
its a circ with +2 sorc 20 fcr and 2 open sockets, id fig that no point in adding what 500 in physical damage when u can get 30 ias n 30 ressit
and for armor im using a 60 ias 60 resist armor with 98 life
this is a lil pricy but that hsould fix most of ur ias break points
stick on a nos to get a boost of 10ias
and using highlrods getting htat 20 ias and deadly strike is a + for a bow sorc
and if ur willing to spend a lil more on merc gear get a merc faith and that willd efinitly fix ur ias break point
Summerfun said:Even with exploding arrows, the mastery dont get applied twice!
Its true you have the chance of doing double damage IF the arrow hit and you allso get the "splash" dammage from the exploting arrow.
But enchantress has low ar and will have a hard time hitting with the arrow.
So most of the time only the damage from the "splash" will be done.
And the LCS is bugged! if it says 10k fire damage you are probberly doing
5-6k IRL.
Summerfun
i got over 150 dex in my sorc and i have no problems hitting barbs, zons trappys, druids, sorcs
only people i have trouble fighting are pally withs there godly resist/ block/ absorb
hxcskreemer said:guys i think i might just scrap this build because it is becoming very item intensive when using energy shield... i might just go all vita rather than all mana with ES... i think that would allow for more options in terms of gear selection...
trust me its worth the time and effort if u have time and if im not busy i could show u my build and gear on my enchatress ( that is if ur on non ladder west). i coudlnt really write down all the items i got because simple its to many lol
hxcskreemer
Banned
budden101 said:trust me its worth the time and effort if u have time and if im not busy i could show u my build and gear on my enchatress ( that is if ur on non ladder west). i coudlnt really write down all the items i got because simple its to many lol
please do list ur gear bc i am not on uswest OR ladder lol.
NewForumBloke
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Ok, im still seeing problem with your bow enchantress man.
1) I see no Knockback what so ever. YOU NEED THIS SO MUCH!!! Its a freaking godsend im telling you! When i was still playing my Widow enchantress i was losing 1/2 of the time, til i slapped on a howltusk that i ias'd for fun. Then all of a sudden i won around 3/4 of my duels and i noticed that i dmged pala's more since the kb can mess with their charge and such.
2) TRY,TRY,TRY to at least hit the 105 IAS bp. The 175 is too hard to hit and be able to effectively tele away from danger. Go with the guys's suggestion of a 2 sorc or 3 fire skill helm with 20 fcr and 2 opensockets w/ ias jewels and if your well off ias/resist jewels. A 4 os 60/60 resist life armor is godly for you girl and you just dont realize it! Hell a cheap alternative is a Treachery armor like mine used lol, 45 ias, 20 fhr, venom dmg added, cold resist...
3) Your enchant dmg is NOT applied twice with ranged wep attacks, ONLY melee ones. The fire explosive bolt/arrow just has the possiblity of you hitting your target basically twice, assuming the arrow hit the target in which case if it didnt you only hit the target once.
4) Uming your widow isnt going to do that much for you unless your using gores and prolly a ow belt. I personally think you'll be better off shealing it or ias/xxx it, depending on if your hitting the 105 ias bp.
5) On my sorc she used a switch for her main source of fcr. Think it was like wizzy/spirit or wizzy/lidless, w/e it was i was able to hit the 105 or 125 bp (im bad on the fcr bps >< ) and tele quickly, and safely, most of the time anyways lol.
Im sure theres some more points i could make but for real man, get some ias and KNOCKBACK on that sorc! Good luck, and not bad so far :grin:
-BLoke :smug:
One more quick thing, Budden... the edit button doesnt go away for about half an hour, lets try not to keep tripple posting hmm? :thumbsup:
1) I see no Knockback what so ever. YOU NEED THIS SO MUCH!!! Its a freaking godsend im telling you! When i was still playing my Widow enchantress i was losing 1/2 of the time, til i slapped on a howltusk that i ias'd for fun. Then all of a sudden i won around 3/4 of my duels and i noticed that i dmged pala's more since the kb can mess with their charge and such.
2) TRY,TRY,TRY to at least hit the 105 IAS bp. The 175 is too hard to hit and be able to effectively tele away from danger. Go with the guys's suggestion of a 2 sorc or 3 fire skill helm with 20 fcr and 2 opensockets w/ ias jewels and if your well off ias/resist jewels. A 4 os 60/60 resist life armor is godly for you girl and you just dont realize it! Hell a cheap alternative is a Treachery armor like mine used lol, 45 ias, 20 fhr, venom dmg added, cold resist...
3) Your enchant dmg is NOT applied twice with ranged wep attacks, ONLY melee ones. The fire explosive bolt/arrow just has the possiblity of you hitting your target basically twice, assuming the arrow hit the target in which case if it didnt you only hit the target once.
4) Uming your widow isnt going to do that much for you unless your using gores and prolly a ow belt. I personally think you'll be better off shealing it or ias/xxx it, depending on if your hitting the 105 ias bp.
5) On my sorc she used a switch for her main source of fcr. Think it was like wizzy/spirit or wizzy/lidless, w/e it was i was able to hit the 105 or 125 bp (im bad on the fcr bps >< ) and tele quickly, and safely, most of the time anyways lol.
Im sure theres some more points i could make but for real man, get some ias and KNOCKBACK on that sorc! Good luck, and not bad so far :grin:
-BLoke :smug:
One more quick thing, Budden... the edit button doesnt go away for about half an hour, lets try not to keep tripple posting hmm? :thumbsup:
Gimmershred
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I don't think you should use anything else then widowmaker. If you use a bow with explosive arrows you need ar to hit 2 times. You loose the guided arrow and you are going to loose +skill and mana gear for stupid ar gear. Then you just as well can go melee and get your fire mastery applied twice. Also open wounds on ranged weapons is less effective then meleed, so indeed rather shael or nef your widowmaker. Wizspike isn't bad on switch indeed. If you get some ias and shael the wizspike you can reach a 9fpa attack with it and suprise some characters by poking them. This all is regarding to pvp off course.
If you are in need of some cheap ias then you could also take a look at treachery. venom , fade and 45%ias aint bad at all.
If you are in need of some cheap ias then you could also take a look at treachery. venom , fade and 45%ias aint bad at all.
Gimmershred said:I don't think you should use anything else then widowmaker. If you use a bow with explosive arrows you need ar to hit 2 times. You loose the guided arrow and you are going to loose +skill and mana gear for stupid ar gear. Then you just as well can go melee and get your fire mastery applied twice. Also open wounds on ranged weapons is less effective then meleed, so indeed rather shael or nef your widowmaker. Wizspike isn't bad on switch indeed. If you get some ias and shael the wizspike you can reach a 9fpa attack with it and suprise some characters by poking them. This all is regarding to pvp off course.
If you are in need of some cheap ias then you could also take a look at treachery. venom , fade and 45%ias aint bad at all.
THEN this build would be a defeat of the tRUE BOW encahtress!!! lol
heres my set up
Pre Buff Gear:
+3 fire ammy
+3 fire circ with +2 5/5 facets
+2 sorc + 3 encaht with 5/5 facet ( i still think eschuta would be better)
enigma
spirit x2
2 sojz
spider
6 bo cta
mage fist
Charms for Pre buff:
anni
hell torch
9 fire gcz
Duel Gear:
Widow maker (40 15ias)
60ias 60resist 98life armor ( its a 4 scoket armor with 15ias 15 resist)
+2 sorc 20fcr 30ias 30 resist (its a 2/20/2open socket)
imps ( dont mind i know its not "legal"
x2 faster cast rings
Razor tail
highlords
magefists
Switch off Gear:
wiz spikes (umed) or lacerator (it has amp :thumbsup: )
Whitstan's Guard
Duel Gear Charms:
08 small charms ( has boht fire n light damage on them)
290z
alota and alota of 100pdscz with 20 lifer
anni
helltorch (gota love that hell torch)
5 or 6 100pdscz with +2 strength
2 fire gcz with 35 n 36 life
dude i hit over 100 ias on my sorc it shotos as fast as those old bow zons did (BEFOR FAITH). and i have no problem teleing either becasue i got 60 fcr while using widdow and over 100 when i switch to wiz spieks to RUN AWAY
my enchatress does over 24k damage in guided arrows
i have less than 1000 life but over i believe 1.5k mana
my skills for my sorc are
20 encaht
20 warmth
20 es
20 fire mastyers
1 tele
1 t storm
(the rest i stick in to skillz i have to put into) (lef tover skillz go into t mastery and telekenisis)
sorc currently at 86
i have no need for knock back because all i do is play cat n mouse with PVP people
EXCEPT THOSE GOD DANG PALLYS!!!! lol I CAN NEVER BEAT PALLYS the only thing my sorc has trouble with
Gimmershred
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Looking good but you have too much ias. 105% let's you reach 10fpa attack with widowmaker wich is the maximum speed you can reach, unless you can get 175% ias. If you would use a faith merc you also reach 9fpa guided.
Also razortail has absolutely no use combined with guided arrow.
You are better off changing it for arach. You gain 1 skill and you will reach the 63%fcr break to tele 1 frame faster. Then take off 1fcr ring and use a raven for cannot be frozen mod, wich you seem to lack and is very very necessary. The raven also helps you get ar if you attack closerange with your weapon on weaponswitch.
You have 15%ias on your bow, 60%armor, 20%Highlords, 30% circlet for a total of 125% ias, so you can ditch 20% ias. If i were you i would get another widowmaker and put a nef in it. And trade the 40/15 with a barb or something. The ed from the jewel doesnt add much damage anyways for you.
Whitstans on switch is the best shield indeed. Statting for max block with it is easy since your dex is already high to equip widowmaker and with the extra 50% fcr you already reach the 10%fcr break.
Um in the wizspike is also nice. With all the ias on your gear you already reach the maximum attackspeed of 9fpa with it, shaeling it would have no use for you. You can't use your wizspike vs high defense chars though since your attack rating will be too low. You can jab low def chars with it though.
Since you only reach 1 frame faster tele on your switch it isn't really necessary i think. You could just as well leave your cta on switch maybe combined with a whitstan. With a cta crystal sword you can attack 11fpa with it. With a cta phaseblade you attack 10fpa with it.
Also before you start getting all those poison charms you should take a look if Skillers don't add much more damage, i don't really know if that's the case or not with a ranged attack.
Also razortail has absolutely no use combined with guided arrow.
You are better off changing it for arach. You gain 1 skill and you will reach the 63%fcr break to tele 1 frame faster. Then take off 1fcr ring and use a raven for cannot be frozen mod, wich you seem to lack and is very very necessary. The raven also helps you get ar if you attack closerange with your weapon on weaponswitch.
You have 15%ias on your bow, 60%armor, 20%Highlords, 30% circlet for a total of 125% ias, so you can ditch 20% ias. If i were you i would get another widowmaker and put a nef in it. And trade the 40/15 with a barb or something. The ed from the jewel doesnt add much damage anyways for you.
Whitstans on switch is the best shield indeed. Statting for max block with it is easy since your dex is already high to equip widowmaker and with the extra 50% fcr you already reach the 10%fcr break.
Um in the wizspike is also nice. With all the ias on your gear you already reach the maximum attackspeed of 9fpa with it, shaeling it would have no use for you. You can't use your wizspike vs high defense chars though since your attack rating will be too low. You can jab low def chars with it though.
Since you only reach 1 frame faster tele on your switch it isn't really necessary i think. You could just as well leave your cta on switch maybe combined with a whitstan. With a cta crystal sword you can attack 11fpa with it. With a cta phaseblade you attack 10fpa with it.
Also before you start getting all those poison charms you should take a look if Skillers don't add much more damage, i don't really know if that's the case or not with a ranged attack.
Gimmershred
New member
Ow i see you have a faith merc already. I looked up that you really need much much less ias now. With the fanacitism from your faith merc and 60% ias, you already reach the maximum attackspeed of 9fpa. It seems like you can loose 65% ias or 20% ias if you don't want to depend on your merc.
NewForumBloke
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Much much better, congrants man looks like you have yourself one very fly little enchantress. But you do have at least 13 pts into telekeneisis right...? Also, im tellin ya man, knock back is going to assist with those stupid pala's lol. Nice chioce on the switch for sure :wink3:
-BLoke :smug:
-BLoke :smug:
Gimmershred said:Ow i see you have a faith merc already. I looked up that you really need much much less ias now. With the fanacitism from your faith merc and 60% ias, you already reach the maximum attackspeed of 9fpa. It seems like you can loose 65% ias or 20% ias if you don't want to depend on your merc.
the problem with a merc faith with me is that i shoot much faster and plus if i shed off a few ias and my merc gets owned then im stuck with low ias which i tryed but didnt like the speed
Having one of the higher lvl enchantress on west ladder. I have some experiences to share.
1) If you want to go pure ranged , no melee. Then at least get your enchant prebuffed as high as possible. As fire mastery will not affect ranged attacks, you dont have to worry about that skill level after enchant is casted. My enchant currently offers about 5.3~6.3k (forgot exact number). You wouldwant to get at least 4k~5k!
2) If built properly, enchant/ es sorc can take maybe 4~5 hits but no more than that. Dont consider yourself a tank. Instead, try to avoid any consecutive hits. (At the first 1 or 2 hits, you probably wont get to FHR mode so you should be able to tele away.)
3) Even if you go ranged, have a good block shield on switch such as Whitsan's.
4) You need enough IAS for widowmaker. Else it's not a viable pvp weapon.
5) Give up on the sorber if you go pure range. Give up on the big sorber if you go melee.
hope this helps.
1) If you want to go pure ranged , no melee. Then at least get your enchant prebuffed as high as possible. As fire mastery will not affect ranged attacks, you dont have to worry about that skill level after enchant is casted. My enchant currently offers about 5.3~6.3k (forgot exact number). You wouldwant to get at least 4k~5k!
2) If built properly, enchant/ es sorc can take maybe 4~5 hits but no more than that. Dont consider yourself a tank. Instead, try to avoid any consecutive hits. (At the first 1 or 2 hits, you probably wont get to FHR mode so you should be able to tele away.)
3) Even if you go ranged, have a good block shield on switch such as Whitsan's.
4) You need enough IAS for widowmaker. Else it's not a viable pvp weapon.
5) Give up on the sorber if you go pure range. Give up on the big sorber if you go melee.
hope this helps.
