Enchant/es Sorc Using Widowmaker?

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Enchant/es Sorc Using Widowmaker?

anyone have some suggestions?

so far i've come up with...

skill-wise...
20 enchant
20 warmth
20 fire mastery
20 telekinesis
20 energy shield

gear-wise...
um'ed widowmaker
um'ed shako
facet'ed ormus/coh
frostburn
silkweave
arachs
2x soj
highlord's/mara's

should i make any changes to any of this???
 
well first of all, what type of chr you makin? PvM, PvP? HC, SC?

Since i have a level 75er chantress that uses these skills, ( she hc us east ) I can give you some ideas. First, pump telekinesis at a ratio of about 3-1 compared to energry shield. Its important to have Telekinesis strong to keep you alive!

2nd, The main problem with this build, specially in later difficulties... herds of monsters are difficult to control. I use kuko shakuko bow for the exploding arrow. Not only does this bow do more fire damage than widow maker... the exploding arrow on it effectively hits more than one monster at a time. ( not to mention the penetrate on it as well ) !

Goodluck!
 
twisturwhig said:
well first of all, what type of chr you makin? PvM, PvP? HC, SC?

Since i have a level 75er chantress that uses these skills, ( she hc us east ) I can give you some ideas. First, pump telekinesis at a ratio of about 3-1 compared to energry shield. Its important to have Telekinesis strong to keep you alive!

2nd, The main problem with this build, specially in later difficulties... herds of monsters are difficult to control. I use kuko shakuko bow for the exploding arrow. Not only does this bow do more fire damage than widow maker... the exploding arrow on it effectively hits more than one monster at a time. ( not to mention the penetrate on it as well ) !

Goodluck!
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yeah thanks for the tips... my plan was to max the 3 fire skills first, then put 1 point into ES, then max telekinesis, and then every point after that into ES... i was mainly going to use this build for SC PvP purposes, but if i were to use it for PvM, my choice of bow would be the demon machine, as it's slightly better than kuko i believe. the guided arrow from widowmaker would be ideal for PvP, but i was unsure about the rest of the gear. i just selected it all according to mana increase or +skills. i also have a memory staff with +3 ES, which gives me a total boost of +9 ES using the staff to precast it ;)
 
Another good bow is Witchwild string, it shoots magic arrows, in combination with Razortail you can get amazing crowd control, you might need more ias IMO, with WWS you get 2 sockets which I used for 2xShaels, it also adds Deadly Strike and Resists, although your physical damage wont be amazing, The deadly strike + Amp damage will brg you enough physical damage to kill pesky fire immunes
 
LesClaypool said:
Another good bow is Witchwild string, it shoots magic arrows, in combination with Razortail you can get amazing crowd control, you might need more ias IMO, with WWS you get 2 sockets which I used for 2xShaels, it also adds Deadly Strike and Resists, although your physical damage wont be amazing, The deadly strike + Amp damage will brg you enough physical damage to kill pesky fire immunes
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i planned on using an Act 2 HF merc to deal with fire immunes if i were to play PvM, however, my goal is survival in PvP and efficiency in killing most other builds. i realize i will have trouble with sorbing and such, but what sorceress DOESN'T have that problem? haha. and by the way, Widowmaker also shoots magic arrows, and also allows the sorceress to use the Guided Arrow skill, which would make PvP'ing much easier. Widow also has deadly strike and since i socketed it with an Um rune, it now has open wounds also.

my main "dilemma", however, is not my choice of bow, but my choice in other equipment. i'm not sure if this gear will be sufficient in combination with Energy Shield. i'm looking for suggestions on gear that work well with energy shield and, if possible, also enhance my damage output.
 
I have a sorc with same skills but these items.

Andariels Visage: the Poison Res really helps since energy shield won't help with poison. 20% ias helps too. Socket with 5/5 facet.

Magefist: since even +1 skill adds quite a lot more damage at high skill levels. If you pump energy you should have enough mana with sojs.

+3 fire skill amulet: You won't really need resists with energy shield so +skill is better.

Demon Machine: I found this to be more effective in PvP than widow because guided arrows can be blocked, and it is not hard to aim fast exploding arrows.

Sandstorm Treks: to max out that poison resist. again you shouldn't need 10% more mana from silkweave.

Passion Flail: Fire Mastery stacks 2x for incredible melee damage, so zeal away at monsters or people when you want to mix it up. Shield suggestions: Phoenix, three 5/5 facet Headhunter, Whinstans Guard, Spirit Monarch, Sigon's Guard.
 
Damric said:
I have a sorc with same skills but these items.

Andariels Visage: the Poison Res really helps since energy shield won't help with poison. 20% ias helps too. Socket with 5/5 facet.

Magefist: since even +1 skill adds quite a lot more damage at high skill levels. If you pump energy you should have enough mana with sojs.

+3 fire skill amulet: You won't really need resists with energy shield so +skill is better.

Demon Machine: I found this to be more effective in PvP than widow because guided arrows can be blocked, and it is not hard to aim fast exploding arrows.

Sandstorm Treks: to max out that poison resist. again you shouldn't need 10% more mana from silkweave.

Passion Flail: Fire Mastery stacks 2x for incredible melee damage, so zeal away at monsters or people when you want to mix it up. Shield suggestions: Phoenix, three 5/5 facet Headhunter, Whinstans Guard, Spirit Monarch, Sigon's Guard.
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wow thanks A LOT bro... i'll definately take all of that into consideration! so how does your sorc fare in PvP? which other builds give you trouble and which are easy for you? i'm curious...
 
Since your focusing on dueling.. Consider yourself toast by 1-2 hits from a pally or barb. Energry shield can only do so much dude. Not getting hit is pretty much your only hope against these big men. Also, try using that runeword armor that gives you thorns aura. This could be a huge bonus when duking it out against a ww barb or someone similiar.
 
Its not to ruin you dreams about this char, but it dossent matter how good items you have, you WILL get murdered in PvP.

This is one of my alltime favorit chars to play with, its really funny.
But honestly, it suck in pvp, im sad to say.

Another thing, you will need guided arrows in pvp,
normal arrows from demonmachine is not as fast as firebolts
and you will allso be shooting much slower.

Demonmachine for pvm for exploding arrows, widow for pvp

Ps; remember you cant trust the LCS. you damage is not as high as it says
cause of the mastery bug

Good luck :thumbsup:
¨Summerfun
 
I have a feeling your attacks will be extra slow, from the gear you posted not one of the itmes has IAS. I had such a build, it was a pally however, and I traded for some crafted gloves with IAS and Knockback they helped with IAS and knockback is always a bonus. Belt i suggest Nos Coil, IAS is good and in PVM slows target helps with controlling crowds, and oh whatever i'll tell you my setup:

Mavina's Diadem 'Cham'
CoH (Ormus works but I was a pally and this helped with ym res.)
Widow/WWS on Switch 'umum'
Crafted knockback gloves
nos coil
goreriders
cat's eye
bk ring
rare dual leech ring

i had tons of ele dmg scs in stash along with torch and anni,
im not sure if this setup will work with sorc but i did fine in PvM with this setup, and i could easily take down casters in PvP although melee was a tough battle.

~les
 
I've seen people run this build before, with great effect - and I do agree with replacing those frostburns with magefists. That fire damage you get from them is important, and the fast cast is going to be key - you need to avoid people like the plague, so you don't get killed too fast.

I like the Andy's helm idea - with a 95% esheild, you won't need to worry much/at all about fire, so throw that facet in there and let Andy's head stop you from worrying about poison.
 
i've revised my setup thanks to some suggestions... it goes as follows...

dueling gear...

um'ed widowmaker
andarial's visage / um'ed shako
facet'ed enchant ormus / bramble
frostburn
sandstorm trek / silkweave
arachnid mesh
2x soj
the cat's eye​

enchant pre-casting gear...

facet'ed eschuta's temper
lidless wall
+3 fire skills circlet
facet'ed enchant ormus
magefist
(boots don't matter)
arachnid mesh
2x soj
+3 fire skills amulet​

energy shield pre-casting gear...

memory (in a +3 energy shield staff)
+3 lightning skills circlet
(armor is debatable)
(gloves don't matter)
(boots don't matter)
arachnid mesh
2x soj
+3 lightning skills amulet​



does this approach sound a lot better?
 
With Passion, I suggest a PB and dual Dreams. This, I've found with some lite mastery, gives 20k++ damage :prop:
 
I don't think the mastry double application (not really a bug, I think it was intentional to make enchant not suck for the sorc) does not work with ranged attacks. Also, to cut the build down further, ranged weapons only get 1/3rd of the basic enchant damage bonus. Not to say that it won't work, as I'm sure you could kill things in hell, however the damage won't be nearly as impressive as any given melee sorc.
 
Before dreams are mentioned (eh? too late lol) ranged enchantresses DO kill faster in pvm than melee ones, due to the pierce and explosion. In a tightly packed group every monster should take 3 to 5 explosion hits with any decent pierce. For pvm I suggest razortail, ias armour, demonmachine, giant skull and dedicate what's left to damage. As for duelling... well I made a post about that a while back but never really thought it'd work. You'd really need 110fcr to stay alive imo, which leaves kinda no room for anything else like ias and then damage, which will be something like 1/5 of a FB sorc and firing about twice as slow.
 
Aeonios said:
I don't think the mastry double application (not really a bug, I think it was intentional to make enchant not suck for the sorc) does not work with ranged attacks. Also, to cut the build down further, ranged weapons only get 1/3rd of the basic enchant damage bonus. Not to say that it won't work, as I'm sure you could kill things in hell, however the damage won't be nearly as impressive as any given melee sorc.
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you're wrong... even tho the skill tab says that ranged weps receive 1/3 of the fire dmg... they, in fact, do receive full dmg... my enchantress so far is shooting 10k arrows... heh.
 
you're wrong... even tho the skill tab says that ranged weps receive 1/3 of the fire dmg... they, in fact, do receive full dmg... my enchantress so far is shooting 10k arrows... heh.
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She is not! the LCS might say 10k but IRL the dmg is much lower because the mastery ISSENT aplyed twice like it is on melee.
 
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