d clone killing sorc??

durph

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d clone killing sorc??

what is best build for killing clone if any? I am planning to make a sorc for mf and all around play and since my only other high level char is a summoner necro (at the moment) I am wondering if a sorc can kill the clone and if so what build and equipment to use to do so. I ask because I would want her to be able to should I ever run into the bastid on a mf run. Has anyone done this successfully with a sorc and without dying? This is a hardcore char so ... well ... she can't die. :)

what equip did you use?

and what is your build?

thanks
 
durph said:
I ask because I would want her to be able to should I ever run into the bastid on a mf run. Has anyone done this successfully with a sorc and without dying? This is a hardcore char so ... well ... she can't die.

I would not recommend it, Hardcore.

However, I'm softcore, anyon want to throw some tips up for me? :thumbsup:
 
Well, I've only use my Skelemancer for dclone killing so far, so this is all just ideas I'd look into if I had to use a sorc for dclone.

For a sorc, "cold" seems to be the only chance. Dclone is 95% resistant to all elements, but he's not immune --- so a maxed cold mastery will be of great help, and IIRC both fire and lightning mastery do not reduce the resistance.

In addition, a wand with lower resist charges can come in handy.

You will need a high damage spell, though --- since fire is supposed to be the tree with the highest damage, you might want to run the numbers first to see if the higher fire damage can compensate for the lack of -resist. I'd guess no, though.

That's the first thing --- damaging him. However, there are more problems than that.

DClone will not die to your first spell, he'll laugh at it. You'll be casting for a long time, so if all you can do is cast 4 times and you're out of mana... no good.

Also, DClone won't just sit there waiting for you to kill him. He'll come after you; and even though he looks like Diablo and behaves like Diablo, he's doing a lot more damage. His Armageddon rains down around him, though, so it's not your immediate concern. Still, you'll want the usual Diablo-setup --- high fiire and lightning resistance. Don't go for dclone if you're not handling Diablo well while you're drunk, asleep and falling out of your bedroom window.

Since you'll want to keep your distance, it's probably a good idea to clear out a reasonably large area before spawning him, so you can run around there freely. I have minions to keep him under control, but a sorc does not --- my merc always dies (he never dies to anything else, but dclone... it's a special case), and I suspect uber gear won't help him either. I may be wrong, though.

The last issue to be addressed is his healing. I've never actually seen him heal (my poison mages have more than 500 seconds poison duration...), but he's said to be healing extremely fast. So, you'll need some means to prevent that --- very fast very high damage so you can just ignore the healing, or some form of prevent monster heal --- which can be a problem. Check the uniques to see if there are any ranged PMH weapons, and hope that you can hit him :) Or try a ranged weapon with poison over a long duration, using that to shoot at him in between your blizzards/orbs. If you haven't played an assassin, you might need to practice fast weaponswitching a bit (ok, martial arts assas switch skills not weapons, but it's about the same thing... they need to get into the right rhythm).

I don't know whether telekinesis can be used to "lock" a single monster in place, away from you and inside your blizzard...

As I said... just thoughts. I sometimes like to think about classes I don't play :)
 
Don't forget about static field. As to PMH, there doesn't seem to be a consensus on whether it works on mercs or not. I'd say it doesn't based on my own experience, so you'll need to take care of that yourself. Find yourself a dagger of vileness or something small and keep in your posession, then enchant yourself and stab him with it a couple times. You'll also want a wand of lower resist, and the slvl 3 wands can be bought from vendors once your lvl 94. As for other stats of concern, high fire, lightning, blocking %, and physical resist/reduction will help. His lightning attack is part lightning and part physical iirc.

While you're fighting, I'd keep my attack on the left button and teleport on the right. Stay as far away as possible. Whenever he cast lightning, run in a circle around him; when he cast his fire, move out of the way; when he charges, tele somewhere parallel to his path or behind him. There are a couple options for which spell to use against him. I'm against FO since it's range is limited and too short for me; I also don't like meteor since he moves around a lot. I'd pick FB or Bliz myself, though something else may appeal to you. As long as it is effective from the other side of the screen.

Finally, be patient. A sorc isn't optimal for the job, but they can do it. Happy holidays.
 
I always found killing DClone a bit difficult with just my sorc... so i'd need someone to tank for me, however static field and prevent monster heal with sufficiently weaken him. As far as what type of sorc, cold is good for cold mastery.
 
An enchantress, with a demon machine and PMH!
Also for HC.
But will take a bit time.
 
You'll need a lot of -Resist% Gear to take down DClone's 95%All Resist especially for a sorc.
 
sorc for dc killing is kinda hard :s
but i'm guessing blizz might work with good mastery :scratch:
best char for me is my smiter (takes ~ 20 seconds)
33% crushing blow & life tap works like a charm
 
I have killed him before with my Blizzard sorceress, but I'm not real keen on doing it again. My merc can tank him for the most part, I had to res him once.

I'd much rather kill him with my zealot :)
 
My blizz sorc can take him... its the -res that really makes the big difference.


:xfrosty:
 
i killed dc with my orb sorc.no,really ,i did dern it!!anyway it wasnt easy but i didnt die either.if you run in circles around hin and cast orb every second he goes down.if my merc could have stayed alive for more than 3 seconds it might have been easier.oh and this was nonladder

equipment
shako 5/5 cold facet
maras 25 res.
magefists
lidless 5/5 cold
coh
2 sojs
arachs
23 fathom 5/5 cold
maxed orb
1 point in cold mastery and a few in frost bolt
 
Just a quick back-of-the-napkin calc for cold vs. any other sorc:

Pure cold Bliz sorc will have about -150% from CM. That takes DC from 95% to -45% resistance. So let's assume, just for round numbers you have a 3k Bliz. Since he has -45%, you actually do 4.3k damage.

Since he's 95% to fire, you'd have to do 87k fire damage before he gets jit with the same 4.3k damage. I don't think that Meteor and FBall are quite that much higher than Bliz.

That's not counting facets and such you might have for fire, but I think it gets the point across.

_______________
Darzog
 
I don't think cold mastery has the full effect on him. I tried to kill DC using an 85th lvl fl/orb sorc, and I could not get it below 33% health even after using static. I had to bring in my Zealot and it was over in less than a min.
 
Ulric said:
I don't think cold mastery has the full effect on him. I tried to kill DC using an 85th lvl fl/orb sorc, and I could not get it below 33% health even after using static. I had to bring in my Zealot and it was over in less than a min.
Did you hit him with PMH? He has insane regen. It is worse with more players in the game.
His regen can be ignored somewhat in melee since the damage is more or less constant...but when teleing around as a sorc, every pause in your attack enables him to regen.
 
Myrakh-2 said:
Well, I've only use my Skelemancer for dclone killing so far,
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How in the world do you kill Dclone with a summoner? Even with both RS and mastery at 35+ after + skills and SR maxed, my skels all died almost instantly to his elemental attacks. I haven't tried it in season 2 - did they remove the boss bonus vs minions on him or something?
 
I've only killed DC w/ a sorc once.

I sacrificed 1 skill gc because I needed 2x1 room for my bone knife w/ lvl 2 lower resists curse charges. My ebotd hyperion merc didn't got PmH so all he basically did was stop him from regenerating so much while tanking, and w/ -57% enemy resi total and 40k lightning it ended somewhat fast, though not as fast as any of my zealot or hammerdin. :xtree:

- Dennis
 
Kurrelgyre said:
How in the world do you kill Dclone with a summoner? Even with both RS and mastery at 35+ after + skills and SR maxed, my skels all died almost instantly to his elemental attacks. I haven't tried it in season 2 - did they remove the boss bonus vs minions on him or something?

>25x Venom Lords w/ >lvl 15 bo w/ >lvl 25 decrep will do the trick nicely provided your nec has the PmH mod and >30% enemy slow clay golem.

Enjoy DC in a slow-mo matrix. :xflash:

Couple skellies will help to, so they can 1hit tank the V-lords. :xsmile4:

- Dennis
 
Ulric, you are forgetting about PMH.

Blizzard Sorceress with lvl32+ Cold Mastery is the ultimate DClone Killer. Infact you all forget about the power of PMH. Before you even think about scratching DClone with your skills FIRST you need to get the PMH on him in one way or another.
After that its a mere breeze and all you have to look at is the damage calculation as darzog pointed out! A fully equipped blizz Sorc with maxed synergies and masteries and top lvl +xx% cold damage equipment makes mince meat out of DClone.
From what i remember all you really need is some PMH on your Merc, but there was an argument once, that PMH on a Merc was not working, which i dont think is true.
 
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