Crafting Hit Power gloves for a Strafer

[Holysinner]

Crafting Hit Power gloves for a Strafer

After LOTS of Countess running for Orts with a different char, I ended up crafting at least 45 Hit Power gloves. I was aiming for 20% IAS and some other nice mods on a pair for my Strafer (currently lvl 48) and I'm not totally satisfied with the results (didn't get 20% IAS on a single one, only 5 with 10% IAS), but a couple could work. Best of the lot are:

Cruel Fist
Heavy Bracers
Defense: 40
Durability: 16 of 16
Required Strength: 58
Required Level: 34
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 58
Fingerprint: 0xad1875e3
Attacker Takes Damage of 3
23% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
Knockback
+5 to Light Radius
10% Increased Attack Speed
5% Bonus to Attack Rating
5% Chance to cast Level 4 Frost Nova when struck

Carrion Grasp
Heavy Bracers
Defense: 39
Durability: 10 of 16
Required Strength: 58
Required Level: 34
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 52
Fingerprint: 0xefa30d48
Cold Resist +10%
Attacker Takes Damage of 6
Knockback
+5 to Light Radius
10% Increased Attack Speed
5% Bonus to Attack Rating
5% Chance to cast Level 4 Frost Nova when struck

I'm now out of PSapphires so unless I decide to run LK with my Blizz sorc for more flawless sapphires it looks like those are the best I'll get.

I did the crafting with the Strafer starting at lvl 43, but mostly at lvl 48. The glove ingredients were mostly heavy bracers - some gambled by a parked lvl 60 character, but that took too long so I switched to gambling with a lvl99 char (leveled in 1.09 but now in 1.10). Before I started I had aimed at doing all the crafts at lvl 43 with ilvl 43 items (all the affixes I wanted would be available as far as I could tell), but I realized that unless I settled for chain gloves I would never be able to gamble enough heavy bracers at that lvl. Did I make a mistake in using higher ilvl gloves?

Has anyone managed to craft ideal Strafer gloves - something like 20% IAS and some combination of +2 Bow or Passive skills, mana or life steal, or other useful mods - and if so, how many craft attempts did it take? Am I being unrealistic to expect better rolls in 45 tries?

 

[Trim]

There seems to be this weird effect whenever people craft/MF in this game. If you're looking for anything at all you'll find it in no time, but as soon as you start searching for something specific the game will NEVER give it to you. Case in point, I was looking for a Buriza for three years for my GA/Multi 'zon in 1.09, but as soon as I settled for a Hellrack and added so many irretrievable skill/stat points... I found two in about two months.

Realistically, if you want a perfect pair of Strafer gloves (IAS, resists, +skills, LL/ML), you're going to have to try many, many times over. IIRC, it might be best to craft them with a higher clvl character; you may be able to get all the mods you desire with the one you're using, but you may be able to get a larger number of affixes with a higher lvl, meaning more chance for all the mods you desire. Then again, you can craft some gloves you'll never be able to use that way, too...

Don't give up! It can take a long time to find what you want, but you'll be ecstatic when you've finally got it!

-Menace

 

[noobintraining]

Without getting into the statistics of ilvls and things like that (frankly, I don't know, because I don't may much attention to that stuff besides breakpoints) here's what I do for crafted Blood Gloves:

1. Dedicated Countess runs can net you Ort runes (in my case, Nefs)

2. LK runs with a sorceress garner a lot of pgems

3. Gamble gloves from Hell Anya. Usually while running Hell Mephisto or Hell Pindleskin, my gold is maxed after 60 to 80 runs.

4. Craft with your highest level character (I do all mine with clvl 90+ characters)

I suppose if you don't have other characters to farm LK, run Countess, etc) or have a high-level character to craft, you might have a harder time. I'm just pointing out what I do. And I will say I craft a pair of gloves with 20 IAS somewhat regularly.

And keep trying. That's the golden rule.

 

[NeoKnuckles]

Those gloves blow. Your luck sucks. You should have something decent in 45 tries

 

[DeathMaster]

Once I got home, I will check the one I have long ago.

Keep in mind that good craft can have very high level requirement. It is usually not for questing, but for high level runs only.

Seriously, why not use the cheesy "poonser" (read the buriza zon guide ).

 

[DeathMaster]

Rune Touch
Chain Gloves
Defense: 9
Durability: 16 of 16
Required Strength: 25
Required Level: 57
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 89
Fingerprint: 0x1967d099
Fire Resist +13%
Cold Resist +18%
Attacker Takes Damage of 4
11% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
Knockback
20% Increased Attack Speed
5% Chance to cast Level 4 Frost Nova when struck

Corpse Hand
Vampirebone Gloves
Defense: 89
Durability: 14 of 14
Required Strength: 50
Required Level: 83
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0x54bb431d
+18 to Life
+35% Enhanced Defense
3% Life stolen per hit
20% Increased Attack Speed
7% Chance of Crushing Blow
+2 to Passive and Magic Skills (Amazon Only)
Level 3 Exploding Arrow (27/27 Charges)

There are two of my good craft. The second one was impressive, but look at its level requirement.

 

[smilts]

that second pair 15 or so lvls less would be sick

 

[Raskah]

Unless I'm doing the maths wrong, you can't get the "+20% increased attack speed" ....

"+20% increased attack speed" is alvl=43;
Heavy Bracers have qlvl=43;

So you need a craft ilvl=65 to get alvl=43, but from the fingerprints you posted, you have ilvl=58 max, which is not enough...

Also i can see that you get 3 extra affixes. It's better to have ilvl=71 at least to get 100% chance of 4 affixes. This way you get better chances of grabing the desired affixes.

Cheerz!!

 

[TheSupercrab]

Or just pick up and ID rare glovs.. I know these are java gloves but still.

Blood Hand
Gauntlets
Defense: 15
Durability: 14 of 24
Required Strength: 60
Required Level: 35
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 85
Fingerprint: 0x21a7dffc
+20 to Attack Rating
Adds 1-5 fire damage
3% Life stolen per hit
20% Increased Attack Speed
+1 to Javelin and Spear Skills (Amazon Only)

 

[Otherguy]

Or have a random unique monster drop.

Laying of Hands
Bramble Mitts
Defense: 86
Durability: 12 of 12
Required Strength: 50
Required Level: 63
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 75
Fingerprint: 0x26ca379
+25 Defense
Fire Resist +50%
20% Increased Attack Speed
350% Damage to Demons
10% Chance to cast Level 3 Holy Bolt on striking

 

[skunkbelly]

I think the last couple of posts here are missing the point (that hit power gloves have knockback, which is great for a strafer, and the whole point of crafting the gloves).

@ raskah: I'm not sure if that's correct or not. I just crafted 20% IAS Blood Gloves, using a pair of heavy gloves gambled from Alkor in act 3 NM, with a level 55 character. I don't know the ilvl/qlvl of the gloves, but I can't imagine it's over 63 (could be wrong, though).

 

[Holysinner]

Thanks for all the replies!

Skunkbelly's point is right, I'm using the Hit Power recipe for the knockback - I guess I should have been more explicit.

Cleglaw's Pincer's are great for the knockback and slows target - maybe they are the best option. I haven't done much crafting in the past, and none since 1.09 so I thought I'd give it another try - and HP gloves for a Strafer seemed the perfect opportunity.

@noobintraining, I do have the characters you lay out, I just haven't been following your 4th point (craft with highest lvl char)- or your last, to keep trying!

I'm not sure I follow Raskah's logic - everything I've seen about the alvl for 20% IAS on gloves is says it's 43 - so why would it require ilvl 65 items? I'm not saying you're wrong (it would explain why I haven't seen the mod) I just don't understand.

 

[purplelocust]

@ raskah: I'm not sure if that's correct or not. I just crafted 20% IAS Blood Gloves, using a pair of heavy gloves gambled from Alkor in act 3 NM, with a level 55 character. I don't know the ilvl/qlvl of the gloves, but I can't imagine it's over 63 (could be wrong, though).

The difference is heavy gloves versus heavy bracers. Remember from the affix formula that is easier for higher level affixes to spawn on LOWER ilvl items, which is the point that Raskah was making. I would vote for using the lowest possible ilvl gloves (chain gloves for Hit Power crafts, heavy gloves for Blood crafts) as the increased defence doesn't really matter for a strafer and the affixes can only become harder to obtain with the higher ilvl items.

Edit: it looks like we had overlapping replies. The Item Generation Tutorial has a great description of the process of choosing affixes, which is complicated and involves ilvl, qlvl and alvl. The relevant bit is here:

{
if (ilvl<(99-qlvl/2))
then {alvl=ilvl-qlvl/2}
else {alvl=2*ilvl-99}
}

which means that higher qlvl items get lower level affixes, if everything else is the same.

This is one of the reasons the rare upgrade recipes are so useful- it is easier for high level affixes to spawn on low qlvl items, so you have a better chance of finding a rare crystal sword with Cruel and Quickness as modifiers than you do finding a phase blade with the same modifiers (in the sense that more monsters can drop the cruel quick crystal sword than the cruel quick phase blade.) Of course, for crafted items this doesn't apply since you can't upgrade them but it does suggest using the lower qlvl items. I do that for just about all crafts, except belts, where the 4-row feature is important and the low qlvl belts don't have the full complement of rows.

 

[skunkbelly]

That's handy to know!

 

[purplelocust]

That's handy to know!

Understanding the interplay between magic/rare affix levels and item/quality levels is even more important in Classic than in LoD, as there rares are much more important in Classic and there is no upgrade recipe in Classic.

In LoD, for really high-level monsters, high-level affixes can drop on elite items, but if you see a rare elite weapon drop from a monster that can just barely drop elite items, rest assured that it won't have high-level affixes.

Of course, for boots/belts/gloves many of the desired affixes like high fire and lightning resists, etc. don't have high affix levels anyway, and many of the high-level affixes aren't things that anyone would want (charges of Multishot) so it's not so simple anyway...

 

[RTB]

There are two of my good craft. The second one was impressive, but look at its level requirement.

That's because of the Exploding Arrow charges, and the Clvl req will drop to 69 if you view it in-game with an amazon.

 

[Raskah]

Actually craft ilvl need to be at least 64. I mess up the round up!

skunkbelly: Yes, it's perfectly possible to craft those gloves you did.
Gambling with a lvl 55 character set the ilvl of the gloves to 51<ilvl<60. Heavy gloves are qlvl=7, so you get an 48 < alvl < 57, which is enough for the "of the alacrity" affix (alvl=43)!!

purplelocust: Well, i wasn't trying to say all that but you made a good point!! :laugh: All i was saying is that Holysinner need a ilvl=64=0,5*clvl+0,5*ilvl to get alvl=43 and role the +20% IAS. You can use the character and heavy bracers you want, all it's need its that 0,5*clvl+0,5*ilvl = 64. But remember that this way you only get 20% chance of rolling 4 affixes and 80% chance of rolling 3 affixes, which reduce your chance of getting the wanted affixes.

I agree that the defense on gloves its not important specialy to bowzons, but if you use heavy or chain gloves (low quality lvl) with low ilvl, you need to craft those with a high lvl character to get the desired affixes. For example if you craft heavy gloves (qlvl=7) shoped from normal charsi (max ilvl = 12), to get alvl=43 you need craft ilvl=46 and so you need to craft those with a lvl 80 character!


Hollysinner: Crafting without knowing the alvl/ilvl/qlvl thing it's a open road to frustation, like just happened to you! I advise you to read the Item Generation Tutorial from the stickies. There's it's all you need to know. After that it's just running a few numbers. If you dont like maths use the affix calculator from the Diablo German site.


All comes to this: when crafting something you need to pay atention to 2 things:

1) max wanted alvl (in this case alvl=43)
2) qlvl of the crafted item (in this case, heavy bracers qlvl=43)

With these we get the min crafted ilvl (in this case min craft ilvl=64). Now all that's left is to play with ilvl of the input item and crafter lvl ([craft ilvl] =0,5*[input ilvl] + 0,5*[crafter lvl])and get the craft ilvl = 64.

Ok, for last a disclaimer: I'm not an expert on crafting! On the contrary, the only time i did some crafting was to try out the recipes... Truly right now i dont have a single crafted item!...

Cheerz!

 

[purplelocust]

For example if you craft heavy gloves (qlvl=7) shoped from normal charsi (max ilvl = 12), to get alvl=43 you need craft ilvl=46 and so you need to craft those with a lvl 80 character!

The best combo is a low qlvl item with a high ilvl, and so it is much better to shop or gamble gloves with high level character to get ingredients. Staying away from normal Charsi! Shopping with a lvl 90+ character you'll have ilvl 90+ heavy gloves/chain gloves which will make excellent ingredients for the crafting.

@RTB: Great info, as always! I didn't realize that the required level could depend upon class, although it makes perfect sense...

 

[Raskah]

Hollysinner: Ok, some numbers to crack...

Craft formula: Crafted Ilvl= 0,5*[input ilvl]+ 0,5* [crafter lvl]

The affix determining formula is:

If (ilvl>99) then {x=99}
if (qlvl>ilvl) then {x=qlvl}
if (magic_lvl>0) then {alvl=x+magic_lvl}
else
{
if (x<(99-qlvl/2))
then {alvl=x-qlvl/2}
else {alvl=2*x-99}
}
If (alvl>99) then {alvl=99}


The craft you were trying to do was:

INPUT: heavy bracers (qlvl=43) gambled with a lvl60 character - min ilvl=56; max ilvl= 65; crafter lvl=48

min craft ilvl=0,5*48+0,5*56= 52
max craft ilvl=0,5*48+0,5*65= 56

If (ilvl>99) then {x=99} -----> 56 > 99 False
if (qlvl>ilvl) then {x=qlvl} -----> 43 > 56 False
if (magic_lvl>0) then {alvl=x+magic_lvl} -----> False

So max x=56,

if (x<(99-qlvl/2)) ----> 56<99-43/2 <=> 56< 78 True!
then {alvl=x-qlvl/2} ----> alvl=56-43/2=56-21=35
else {alvl=2*x-99}

So you end up with affix lvl = 35!


Now, heavy bracers gambled with a lvl 99 character and crafted with the lvl 48 character you roll craft ilvl= 71 (perfect for 4 affixes) which gives you alvl= 50, so i guess you just had bad luck with those crafts!!

 

[Raskah]

The best combo is a low qlvl item with a high ilvl, and so it is much better to shop or gamble gloves with high level character to get ingredients. Staying away from normal Charsi! Shopping with a lvl 90+ character you'll have ilvl 90+ heavy gloves/chain gloves which will make excellent ingredients for the crafting.

I (would) prefer to shop items intead of gambling since shopping sets ilvl to a fixed number...
As i said, it doesnt matter if you use a low or a high ilvl... You can shop chain gloves from normal charsi and end up with a +2bow skills, +20% IAS, +3 ml, +3ll. All you need it's to craft those with a lvl 80 character.

With ilvl 90+ you'd need to craft those with a lvl 38 character to get the best chances to those affixes. Of course you can end up with a similar item but all my maths were done to get the best chances of rolling this item...