Covid-19 Prepping thread
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We did it guys! We are number 1!
Well, probably not number 1, but we reached an important milestone to commemorate the ineffectiveness of leadership.
Well, probably not number 1, but we reached an important milestone to commemorate the ineffectiveness of leadership.
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There might be a few third world countries with higher death tolls. The difference is that the USA has rather good means to count deaths by or with Covid while a lot Covid deaths might go undiagnosed in e.g. India.
But yes, if India cannot prove it, you are ahead of them
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"220,000 Americans dead. If you hear nothing else I say tonight, hear this. Anyone who's responsible for not taking control — in fact, not saying, I take no responsibility, initially — anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as President of the United States of America."
Can anyone help me identify who said this?
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Yes. Get rid of him and get a president willing to force everyone to vaccinate, wear masks, test and social distance.
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What would be your suggestion for people who do not want to get the shots?
Incarceration... banishment from society... death?
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Well many of them are already dead. I don't have a problem with your other 2 suggestions.
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Spoken like a true authoritarian.
This is one of the things I find deliciously ironic about the mandatory-shots-or-else crowd. If the people you disagree with are refusing something you believe is beneficial, wouldn't you encourage this behavior... thereby eliminating the issue?
Brings to mind a quote from one of my favorite movies, "The one man in this sore and sick community who wants to save you from yourself!"
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What about these shots prevents mutation in the Covid-19 coronavirus?
Separately, do you believe that mutation only comes from those who have not received the shots?
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It slows down the spread and decreases the viral load produced by an infected person. Reducing chances for a mutation.
Are you antivax?
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Actually, no. The data has in reality been fairly mixed on that point. In fact some data out of Europe is even suggesting a negative efficacy at some point, particularly among seniors who've been double vaxed.
Furthermore, vaccines that only reduce symptoms but allow the virus to survive are known as "leaky" vaccines, which can actually strengthen the virus and create more virulent and potentially more lethal strains precisely because it allows the virus to survive and does not prevent transmission. The result is somewhat of a faustian bargain. Taking the vaccine will probably reduce symptoms and increase survivability, at least in those that are vaccinated, but at the cost of creating an even stronger variant. What you want is a vaccine that grants real immunity, preventing the virus from taking hold or transmitting at all.
It's something that we've known about for years before Covid. In fact virologists and epidemiologists have been concerned about the consequences of leaky vaccines since at least the 1980's, but of course these days any of them that voice those concerns at the very least face Twitter bans for "disinformation".
Biology is messy and complicated, no matter how much you want the answer to be getting stabbed with a needle.
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That's correct, but that applies to vaccinations in general. Covid is a kind of virus that can mutate rather easily, so we will probably not eradicate it anytime soon. The Omikron variant is probably is a result of mutation and selection from evolutionary pressure by the vaccinations together with having enough breeding ground among unvaccinated people. The interesting thing is that it's rather weak, so if we keep on fighting dangerous variants, we might be successful with providing the ground for rather variants that are "just" like the flu.
However, the result might be unclear because:
But not doing anything is certainly not the right conclusion.
Not only, but they are supporting them. Non-resistant people provide the viruses and the resistant people are their training ground for mutations. It's a bit like the problem with bacteria that develop immunities to antibiotics. Mutation and selection are getting a boost from people (edit)
I agree that incarceration for unvaccinated people is not acceptable, but in case a really dangerous variant comes up, I have no problem with mandatory vaccinations and fines who refuse or evade them.
I have no tolerance for infected people who refuse to stay away from others, in particular from people who are at a high risk of serious harm. People are responsible for their actions or lack thereof. They have to provide a compensation for the damage they cause and it might also need a proper punishment by the law.
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