Convictor - help plz! :)

Reborn2k

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Convictor - help plz! :)

Hi!

You might have noticed that some of us are buildin up a solid mp party in the "convention of heroes" thread. I am going to be the support pally with conviction. I don't want to play a standard avenger, so I chose to go the "convictor" route. A paladin using zeal + conviction. This may sound awkward, but should turn out decent in the end! I dunno if you know this build, it is actually from germany. The skills are easy and clear:

Conviction 20
Zeal 20
Sacrifice 20
Holy shield 20
defensive auras 1 (think so. at least redemption 1 or something)

Choosing the gear is the difficult task:

The weapon is this gimmershred. Quite clear: LOADS of elemental damage which is then boosted by conviction + decent physical damage. The physical damage will be enhanced with a might merc.

The idea is somehow like physical + elemental damage + crushing blow (and a bit deadly strike).

Now this is what is available to me and what I thought to be good:

Guillaume's face
Duriel's shell
Mara's caleidoscope
laying of hands
gore rider
moser's blessed circle (2x PD)

There are still a few problems:

Guillaume's face and gore rider are pretty needed, because of the resulting 50% CB and 30% DS. With duriel's shell + mara's caleidoscope + moser's blessed circle I will have 40% prisma in hell. I have two shimmering large chamrs with a total of 15% prisma. Would make 55% allres. 50% fire and 30% cold resist of loh + duriel's will give me maxed fire + cold res. Poison doesn't seem too important and I will be able to get 20 more lightning resist through charms. So resists are fine, but I am really missing the IAS. I won't be able to get to 4 frames of course, but I think I need 5! Gimmershred needs 60% ias to get to 5 fps. I have 20 of loh, so I am at 6 fps. I haven't decided on the belt yet, but I could use nosferatu's coil, giving me 10% ias. Together 30%! I still need another 30%! I have an ias jewel lying around, socketing it in duriel's would make 45% ias. If anyone could trade me another ias jewel to socket in the guillaume's I would attain 60% ias... :lol: You might suggest wearing a highlord's, because it has ias + ds, but the problem is that I don't have a highlord's... And I would lose res with out the maras...

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Wow, that's nice, but I just can't accept it this way! It is no unique or something, but a jewel with a specific mod, so quite rare! It would of course be VERY nice, if you could send it to me. I dunno if I can give you anything you need, but I'd like to at least give something back to you in some time! :thumbsup:

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Yeah, baranas will be a temporary weapon until I can wear gimmershred. My damage is based on weapon damage + elemental damage. Since there's not really much elemental damage on any other equipment than weapons, I need the most elemental damage I can get. gimmershred has 1381 max elemental damage and baranars only 600. Also the physical damage is higher than baranars. The only advantage of baranars is the speed, eh... :) It needs only 40% ias for 5 frames. Since I have gimmershred, I will use it as my main weapon, from when I can wear it on. :)
 
kabojjin: Hm, thanks! Let me know if I can trade you ANYTHING! :) You could send it to me, because Nightfire05 hasn't send his one already! :p But actually I need only 2 and I have already 1... dunno.

symeon: Yeah, would be an option. I don't have a tiamats, though... :-/ Also it has low def and a crappy chance to block. I am lacking in the shield department in general. Alma negra has no resists and I need no AR. I have no herald or dragonscale (for fire damage). My hammerdin uses a shael eth shield with 39 prisma. I chose the mosers because I already have cbf on duriels and 25 isn't worth it. I will rather take mosers resists...
 
Reborn2k said:
kabojjin: Hm, thanks! Let me know if I can trade you ANYTHING! :) You could send it to me, because Nightfire05 hasn't send his one already! :p But actually I need only 2 and I have already 1... dunno.

I sent it over. Enjoy.
 
Reborn2k said:
symeon: Yeah, would be an option. I don't have a tiamats, though... :-/ Also it has low def and a crappy chance to block. I am lacking in the shield department in general. Alma negra has no resists and I need no AR. I have no herald or dragonscale (for fire damage). My hammerdin uses a shael eth shield with 39 prisma. I chose the mosers because I already have cbf on duriels and 25 isn't worth it. I will rather take mosers resists...

Kind of a stupid question perhaps- but are you only going to be zealing with Gimmershred, or will you be primarily a thrower towards the end? I would almost think that throwing would be more useful, as you could throw on the tiamat's and not have to worry so much about melee as you'd be behind the tanks. In 1.09 there was a throw-smiter build, and throw+ conviction in a party seems like it'd rock some too, esp. with the gimmers.
 
Nightfire05, thx! You said I didn't have to send anything back, that's so nice, I don't know how to thank you! Please, if there's ANYTHING I can give you or do for you, let me know! :thumbsup:

Now I have 3 jewels of fervor, :lol:. But please tell me if you need anything! Thanks again!

In that kind of party, you look more like a walking aura then a killer. You might want 90% res all through GA.
I have no GA, either. :) However, I did some calculations with calculators (lol) and it doesn't seem to be THAT bad... However, you are probably right that I won't stand a chance against one of those uber chars. At least I will be not useless (if only because of my aura lol) and I hope to have fun with him in SP, too.

WhiskeyJack, I will be a zealot, primarily. But that's just what I prefer. If I throw, I will lose the physical damage bonus of zeal and I won't be as fast. But I will probably throw the gimmers if I'm IM cursed. ^^

Hm, I need a better shield. Moser's should be alright, but... THE STYLE!! THE STYLE!! AH! ^^
 
Reborn2k said:
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WhiskeyJack, I will be a zealot, primarily. But that's just what I prefer. If I throw, I will lose the physical damage bonus of zeal and I won't be as fast. But I will probably throw the gimmers if I'm IM cursed. ^^

Hm, I need a better shield. Moser's should be alright, but... THE STYLE!! THE STYLE!! AH! ^^
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well, for the shield, with max'd HSd, and the other auras around (someone will have defiance merc and another HF, right? Or are you also considering solo play?) I would think that a tiamat's would still be viable...as it is, the other shields I have for my pallys are Rhyme and AP akaran ronaches/zaks, etc. heh heh...shield poor I am! That's to say, I don't know what else to advise...
 
I have played pallys for a long time and heres my 2 cents,

Try and get an eth gimmershred as durability wont matter, and it will boost the damage considerably. Also Tiamats is viable if you up it and stick an Um in it. You will lose some res and block but you will add damage. The block and missing res capability could be added with an upped and Um'ed guardian angel. Youll lose duriels, but you should be using a Ravenfrost which has CBF anyway for the huge dex and ar bonus, not to mention the cold absorb. For ammy I would use highlords for the lit res, 20 ias and up to 37% deadly strike. Stick a jewel of fervor in your Guillames and slap on a nosferatus coil if you still need ias. You could use the lit res charm space you would save with highlords for other res charms. I know your worried about resists but you might have forgotten to factor out the +30 res you should get by completing the Anya quest in each difficulty (I didnt do the math it was just a thought). And you could always use an ummed HoZ for 72 % res all instead of the tiamats.

-roninDOG
 
ronin your a noob.
gimmershred doesnt have the repair mod. so it'd be useless if you used an eth one after a little while.
also a pdiamond would be better in the shield :lol:
lets see here
Helm: gullimanes, either um'd or ias jewel. depending on what you need
Weapon: Gimmershreds
Shield: pdiamond'd tiamats rebuke
Armour: Um'd Guardian angel(i can send you one if you want..without the um:lol: )
Ring1: ravenfrost
Ring2: either a wisp for lightning defense or a res all leech ring
Amulet: highlords
Gloves: Laying of hands, lava gout( ill keep my eye out for a 20%ias, res, big cb and life leech set for you while im crafting)
Belt: Nosferatu's for the IAS. tgods for absord
Boots: gore riders

charms: make up your lack of resists and add elemental damage

hows that look?
 
Is it really necessary to max zeal? With conviction running, you really won't need much AR since the monsters will all have near zero defense. Dropping those points into something else might be interesting.

Smite might be handy as a secondary attack, or max Defiance as a synergy to Holy Shield to put your defense through the roof.
 
@Gohanman: Congrats to 1000 posts! I max zeal rather for the damage than for the ar. It may not be THAT much, but with a lvl 90 might merc it's 1420 damage + 30% DS. Not really bad imho. My frenzy is near patness (I will pat him in a few minutes, because I need his nos's coil :)) and he still does very well with his double razor's edge and 2000 max damage. Add the elemental damage and you're set! :D Also, physical damage adds leech, if I use a wisp projector or something. Dunno.

@roninDOG: You are no noob! ;) But if you use a throwing weapon in melee fight, the number of axes/javelins acts like durability! Your suggestions seem nice. The problem is actually that I don't have that items. Lol. I have a 1.09 tiamats, but I rather want to find one in 1.10. However, actually I DID factor in the 30% from anya. I have no tiamats, highlords or HoZ! :D I hope it will work with my setup, but if I will ever find a highlords, I will put it on. I can throw away the duriel's (remember it will be socketed with 15 ias jewel, but I would get this from HL) and put on a guardian angel. Sadly, I don't have a GA, either! :p

@corax: Hm, yeah. Guillaume's will need to be socketed with ias. I need 60 for 5 fps. With your setup: 20 HL, 20 gloves, 10 nos's, 15 guillaume's = 65. I have no hl, so I put on the maras with res, with is the best for this, except hl. I lose 20 ias then (need only 15), that's why I have to socket duriel's with ias. (I have no GA. Also an ias duriels would do well on a bowazon wouldn't it?) I will have to take the nos's for IAS. I would also take the PD'd (upped?) tiamats, if I had it. :p And no... I don't want your items! Thanks, but... I would feel unworthy then, I rather find everything on my own. (IAS jewels are an exception LOL)

@WhiskeyJack: Yeah, it occured to me today, too. I will just cast HS immediately when I join a game and noone will ever see that I use a round shield. ^^

Hm, I hope you understood everything, I am a little confused atm. Oh and I will probably take the 2 dualleech/res rings, lying around...^^

ill keep my eye out for a 20%ias, res, big cb and life leech set for you while im crafting
Oh thanks! That would be too nice! Would probably better than anything else!
 
corax said:
ronin your a noob.
gimmershred doesnt have the repair mod. so it'd be useless if you used an eth one after a little while.

well, ill be.....I am a noob! I could of sworn gimmershred had the replenish mod but seeing as how I have never used it ;) I didnt know after all. Yes Reborn corax is right, dont use an eth one as you will lose it rather quickly. :)
Gohanman has a possibility, by reducing zeal you AR and damage will be slightly less giving room for pumping a defiance synergy. One hits harder the other is harder to be hit.

-roninDOG
 
Reborn2k said:
symeon: Yeah, would be an option. I don't have a tiamats, though... :-/

Pretty sure I've 3 of those, so if you decide to go for it, I can send you one. Just let me know. It's 1.09 of course. Hope that's not a problem for you.
 
symeon, you have to read my posts! ;)
Reborn2k said:
And no... I don't want your items! Thanks, but... I would feel unworthy then, I rather find everything on my own. (IAS jewels are an exception LOL)
Don't feel offended, I appreciate your offer very much! It's just my stlye! :thumbsup:

roninDOG, Gohanman, I calculated the defenses of the max zeal and the max defiance build. The zeal one has about 5500 def with HS and the defiance one has about 9000. I picked my barb who has 5997 def with lvl 1 shout. He has a chance to get hit about 30% of hell act 5 melee monsters. I think this should be alright also because of the diminishing returns. I could also mix between zeal/defiance, but... I don't like it! :D I will probably go for the max zeal one. I want to get this one ready for SP playing, but due to the fact that I will play him in MP most of the time, I will probably get defiance from an act 2 merc of a party member. :)
 
I had a Griswold set avenger on bnet that really was a sorcs wet dream... so to speak.

He never killed much, and frankly your Conviction will be all that is needed in the party. I did however max Resist Lightning and Resist Fire too since I could give the party 95% resist lightning (or fire) when needed. Blacksoul ? Ooo... those beams... nevermind em go kill it !

With a lvl 1 vengence that still added nice damage to my crappy griswold weapon.

Your idea of a zealing avenger is nice, and frankly I would just simply try it with the gear you suggested. It will work and dont forget to add some rings and leech ! Having the high CB as you plan will be quite nice, I may make a vengence/fanatism one next since I got a bit bored with Avengers. It would kinda be the opposite hybrid from your build :lol:

Just go make it, and dont forget to have loads of fun ! And do consider to get a might merc to boost your physical damage a bit :)

EDIT: just make sure you count your +skills since Conviction has a nasty cap on elemental damage increase at lvl 24 or 25, I forgot.
 
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