Community Mafia Game: Trouble in Bel Air Part II

[SiTro]

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I'm not stating reasoning just yet because I don't think it's the smartest move to declare it all just yet. Remember, the mafia can read my posts along with the town.

I'd like to hear people's opinions on the following ideas:

Voteless townies as opposed to voteless mafia?
When weighting is applied. (i.e. would a voteless townie contribute to a mid day tally but not the final one?)

 

[Firehorse]

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SiTro, You asked me a question and I gave you my honest answer. If you want DISHONESTY go ask somebody else! Using your twisted logic "my defense of Trek", I should target every player in the game including you. Using your logic I should or need to find fault with any given player you ask about. I defended Trek because I do not consider him a threat. If I felt Trek posed a threat to the town I would say so. I don't. And before you accuse me of being Mafia and linked to Trek who you would conclude is Mafia as well, I am going to flip it back on you. Why do YOU think Trek poses a threat?

 

[skoolbus1]

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Pretty arrogant as I said - inferring that you care about the game and others well they just signed up and read the posts and respond and spend time on it but they can never be into it as much as you are.

vote Skoolbus

There's a distinct difference between not caring who you vote for, and not caring about the game. I said yesterday that people that don't care about the game because they don't get the role they wanted should just not bother signing up. It was in response to other people suggesting so and so might not care about the game cause they didn't get mafia, or something like that. I personally don't think that anyone has fallen under this category (except maybe vors). It's just really rude to everyone else who signs up to have fun if you won't be caring and thus make the game less fun.
Not caring who you vote for is saying, "I suspect this person, but I'll change my vote to someone else if the rest of the town wants to lynch them," which many people did yesterday. This is a valid strategy in this game, though I personally don't think it's a good one.

I see nothing in the rules saying I can't explicitly post my role pm in this thread and I'm not even doing that. Also, why didn't you get on ankeli yesterday when he claimed vanilla townie? Why just go after me?

@sitro, how did you come up with the zhao, me/soy, erwwwd/jaago?

And I hit preview - How can you just agree with one of sitro's three statements? While I don't understand where he got them just yet, I doubt he put one real one and two false ones up there.

 

[Firehorse]

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To be honest SiTro you are on the notorious Salem Witch Hunt running around half cocked pointing fingers with poorly valid reasons for doing so. Could it be that there is fear in your eyes and that your Mafia identify risks being revealed. Are there holes in your cloak where there were none before? Perhaps if you stayed indoors at night we would not have Gemini corpses gracing our streets.

 

[Soylentred]

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I see nothing in the rules saying I can't explicitly post my role pm in this thread and I'm not even doing that. Also, why didn't you get on ankeli yesterday when he claimed vanilla townie? Why just go after me?

To me its right on the first page of the rules. You may not discuss or reveal what you are told in your role PM. You may claim any role you like.
Ankeli claimed townie - he did not say what he was told or not told in his role PM.
And I am not voting you based on that. I am voting you on your sweeping statements where you claim to know people's motives better than they do.
I do not think saying I am voting a certain way but for the good of the town I will change my vote to get a lynch means I don't care who gets lynched because I changed my vote to you and I do so hope you get lynched.

 

[Bad Ash]

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Ok, everyone needs to take a deep breath and lets try to work together to get some solid answers with the information we know.

I am 90% sure that Aman posted a mid-day count of how many votes people had against ankeli, myself, and whoever the 3rd person was.

Lets make a fair assesment call: Those votes count. Those votes went to the total because Aman had counted them in the mid day tally. I think that is the reasonable thing to believe and would be "playing the odds" So lets start piecing together who voted after that and information they supplied. I am going to start anyone else who wants to join in please feel free.


As for what was said about Jscud, I agree. The fact that he is fairly certain that some votes dont count, he must have something going on. It is fishy enough for him to be making a blip on my radar screen

 

[Ray Patean]

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Skool: Where to begin...

You mention my comment about multiple serial killers. This was the one:

Besides, it's Aman. Don't put anything past him, he might've made no one mafia, and just a bunch of serial killers.

I wasn't saying that I thought there actually was multiple SKs, just that Aman has done some crazy things in past mafia games, exploding cop doctor anyone? So saying that there is absolutely two mafia groups isn't good, or saying anything regarding roles with certainty is just crazy, because we can't put anything past Aman.

Second, you only jumped on board the ankeli bandwagon when it was about halfway to a lynch and no one else seemed to have a remote chance of getting lynched (possibly me, but two votes to six...).

So, would you rather I do like you and vote for someone totally different, thus eliminating any possibility of a lynch on Day 1? As it was, we still didn't get to lynch Ankeli, so it looks like my vote on him was pretty important. I was non-committal because I wasn't sure about Ankeli, but we need to get a lynch every day until the odds favor a no-lynch (which won't be for a while).

Fourth, you suggest partners for ankeli

I did this because Sint asked me to. Apparently you missed that part of the quote at the top of my post. Would you rather I would've ignored what Sint said? You probably would've been on me for that too.

 

[Bad Ash]

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Ankeli - 7
Skoolbus - 2
Vorstel - 1
Bill - 1

Ok, so 10 votes to begin with so maybe this wont provide the info I was hoping for. But did anyone vote and then unvote without revoting?

 

[Liquid_Evil]

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Voteless townies as opposed to voteless mafia?
When weighting is applied. (i.e. would a voteless townie contribute to a mid day tally but not the final one?)

1) Voteless townie. 95% sure. I've never even heard of a voteless mafia.
2) A voteless townie should never have a vote counted, mid-day or end-day. (So our voteless friend should be one of the voters after the mid-day count if my count was correct for the mid-dayers.)
3) I think you're reading way too much into the game format. London burning theme ideas and the like? I highly doubt it.

I'm also having problems getting done with work before the day end so I'm going to have to vote earlier to avoid these terrible no-lynches. Sure the first day is always a crap shoot, but we are in the same position we were yesterday minus players with no more information than we had.

Also, letting Ankeli live basically gives him a free ride to end game from what I've seen from previous mafia games. Nobody wants to get the ball rolling again on previous close call lynch targets.

Vote: Erwwwd
For the same reasons I posted yesterday.

I also still don't like Bill Cosby at all. Reread his second to last post with the assumption that he's a townie, then again as mafia. Something doesn't feel right and my gut usually pwns on the first couple day suspect lists.

skoolbus- What do you think of Bill Cosby? Newbie and showing it or trying too hard to appear like that?

 

[Bad Ash]

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I also still don't like Bill Cosby at all. Reread his second to last post with the assumption that he's a townie, then again as mafia. Something doesn't feel right and my gut usually pwns on the first couple day suspect lists.

skoolbus- What do you think of Bill Cosby? Newbie and showing it or trying too hard to appear like that?

If you have a gut instinct you can read anything anyway you want and still come up with the end result you want. everything everyone is posted can be spun around to sound bad

Also can you reference your post or re-post your reasoning for voting on Eeerrwwd

 

[Firehorse]

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I think Skoolbus is Mafia based upon his aggressive and over zealous play. Although he has cooled off in the last few hours my opinion has not waivered. And since I cannot find Mayor Quimby or Sideshow Bob on the list of persons to vote for:

I humbly........

VOTE SKOOLBUS

 

[Soylentred]

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I think I have the mafia flu - not feeling well at all so calling it a night here.

 

[skoolbus1]

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@Soy, You're right, I missed it. He does say don't post any information given to you in a pm, but I didn't. I said my pm didn't say anything about votes not counting. But I'll keep my mouth shut about pm's from now on.

@Ray, I understand your points, but you could have voted for me, or posted arguments against someone else. However, I still feel your non-committal vote towards ankeli is scummy. While sint did ask you who you thought would be ankeli's partners, you still chose erwwwd and bill, there must have been a reason for it.

@LE, I reread bill's post you mentioned thinking as scum and as a townie, but I don't see it different in either light. I mainly want to hear jjscuds explanation of how he is so sure about the vote theories. I don't know what to think of bill (talk about scummy answer). I've been more focused on other people so I haven't questioned him properly yet.

@Firehorse, I question so harshly because I feel that it creates more opportunities for the mafia to slip up. It's my personal playstyle in mafia games, I don't mean offense to anyone and I don't mean to attack anyone's character.

On an entirely unrelated note, would anyone mind if I hosted the next round? I have a wonderful idea for it, but unfortunately it would have to be limited to only 12 people per game, perhaps two of them?

 

[Ankeli1]

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Well well, I did not expect to find myself alive. Thank... uh... Aman and his roles? :wine: Regarding that, I doubt there's a voteless mafia party. It would make singling them out too easy. If Aman gave the full vote tally, instead of just the votes I received, it would clear things up.

Now, I'd like to vote for Trek or jjscud. Skoolbus is still scum for me, but at least he creates conversation and allows for slip ups to happen, he may live one more day as far as I'm concerned. Trek's participation level = ropeller: and jjscud's actions yesterday, especially the oddball snapping at Skool while having agreed with him before ring my alarm bells. So basically my suspect list remains the same. It's way too short, I know, so it's time to introduce the next addition, inspired by the . If I'm way off, I will retract this, but for that I'll need some confirmation.

Vote: Zhao

 

[jjscud]

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I certainly don't know, I think people are adding more weight to what I said.

In post 214 I said I wanted to know what group of people's vote doesn't count. noammr wasn't paying attention to his voting so it he seems like the best bet for someone who knows their vote doesn't count.

I then added that my bet would be that mafia don't have votes, but that is my own bet.

I'm not sure, but if they are all townies with no votes and two townies are getting killed off two a night then we can't be more than a couple days from losing, and that's making the unlikely assumption that every non-voting townie voted for Ankeli.

non-voters yesterday:

Liquid_Evil
Orphan
BoD Trader
Vorstelman
Firehorse

If no voters are mafia and know that their votes don't count, this would be the safest place to be. That may be a bit of a stretch for the moment but worth coming back to depending on what we learn later.

Zhao is mafia.
Exactly one of Erwwwd or Jaago is mafia.
Exactly one of Soylentred or skoolbus is mafia.

What are your thoughts jjscud?

I'm not sure about x or y but 3 of 5 seems reasonable.


The big question is that midday count, tally or weighted count.

@ aman:

Can we get an official vote count? And also time remaining till sundown?

That was 4 votes before Aman's vote count post.


Wait a second, I just remembered, when I did my vote count, it was one off of Aman's vote count.

post 134

vote ray

but Aman's count:

Ankeli - 7
Skoolbus - 2
Vorstel - 1
Bill - 1

So there you are, a very specific vote that appears not to count. Skool also changed to Ankeli where several votes weren't counted.

I still think noammr's double vote is suspicious but this is exact.

unvote noammr

vote skoolbus

 

[Ankeli1]

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You (jjscud) have still to comment on the sudden mood change regarding Skoolbus "yesterday". I'm waiting. What pushed you from agreeing with him to flattening his play?

 

[Erwwwd]

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Everybody, stop the debate on voteless/votehaving townies. Don't have time to go into it right now but STOP! Trust me, I'll explain later.

 

[Erwwwd]

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Ok, now here's the thing:

What do we know:

Some peoples votes don't count

Do we know exactly to which faction those non-voters belong? No.

This has brought up two scenarios: 1 - Voteless townies, 2 Voteless mafia

1- If there are voteless townies, we need to protect and obscure them. Why? They have no power, if the mafia find out
exactly who they are they won't go after them at night. They are just "duds" anyway, with no influence in the lynchings.

2- If the mafia is voteless we do need to find them. JJscud has been going after them with this angle, root out the voteless
people as he thinks they are mafia. The annoying thing is ofcourse that this is just a hunch, we have not enough information.

However, Skoolbus's vote yesterday around midday gave us a clue. He is voteless.
If we lynch him we will know his alignment and we can go from there. If he's townie we won't lose much by this, as he has no
votingpower and the mafia will leave him alone from now on.

Before we know anything though we need to be carefull with our votes, before the midday count today let's make sure no-one has
a single vote out on anyone. Showing who has, and does not have votingpower is going to be of huge benefit to the mafia if we
are dealing with situation 1. I would propose that we all unvote now, and make our real votes known in the second half of the day, after
aman's vote-tally.

 

[Erwwwd]

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Oh, and the other thing, let the mafia piece together the information about who has and does not have votingpower to themselves. Let's not help them by dissecting it in the thread.

 

[Ankeli1]

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I have no intentions on retracting my vote based on that tbh. Presuming it's the townies that are voteless, they know about it themself. If this is the case, we just need one of them to step up and let us know. Ending up with no lynch more times than once this early on will be fatal for us, unless the mafia groups, presuming there's 2, aren't killing each other.

IF it's the townies, and they DON'T know about not having voting powers, then withdrawing our votes would make sense. I highly doubt that though. Sure, I've seen cop's that always get "mafia" as a result of inspection but never a townie with a crooked voting ability that doesn't know about it.

Voteless mafia doesn't change our game plan in any way.