Blizz should admit hc error

[Oxy]

http://sirian.warpcore.org/diablo2/protest.html

(since this has been argued over 10000 million times and Barry always wins, and you guys are wasting time on the forums instead of gibbing me itamz on d2)

 

[Valar-Wrath]

However, my experiences with DI in the later stages made me ambivalent about PK capabilities in DII. I figured it would get worse, and it has.

No, no it hasn't.

Back in D1, I could cast fireballs while in town. I could auto-kill people. I could even have God-mode if I chose.

In no way is D2 worse than D1 when it comes to PK capabilities.

 

[tooie1]

http://sirian.warpcore.org/diablo2/protest.html

(since this has been argued over 10000 million times and Barry always wins, and you guys are wasting time on the forums instead of gibbing me itamz on d2)

Sometimes I think this topic is like a softcore character, no matter how many times it is killed, it always returns. This poor old dead horse has been beat so much it's nothing but a stain on the ground.

 

[BatTheMan]

Correct; "honest" PK's like yourself aren't the problem at all - you're easily avoided if someone isn't interested or is afraid. But really, there's hardly any of you out there - and at the risk of flagellating the deceased equine, a hostile timer would have been the solution. Not an "acceptance"; how could you hostile some jerk in a co-op game under that configuration?

As in, been there, done that? I, too, played since 1.00. However, my experiences with DI in the later stages made me ambivalent about PK capabilities in DII. I figured it would get worse, and it has. I do pubbies, but I've hotkeyed Alt-F4.

oxy said to me esc save exit is safer then Alt-F4 because your character stays in the game longer than if you esc exit, is it true? Or does it not matter?

 

[Tai.1]

Close thread please, it's going to result in a flamewar.

To the O.P. please don't come to this forum and try telling all the legit PKers that we're ruining the game, this forum is THE legit PvP haven on dii.net imho, and to do so is simply to troll.

Cheers
-Tai

 

[MoUsE_WiZ]

I'd like to point out that ~95% of the reason there's no public hell games right now is because blizzard finally did "fix" something and banned ~95% of the people who got to hell early. As such I am quite ecstatic that there aren't many public hell games.

 

[Kilmin]

Well Phat, I have been playing this game since townkill ruined the original, and I have followed the debate here and on other forums, and am versed enough on both sides of the issue to offer the mild rant that I did.

If the result is that people don't play hc hell, then fix it. If you don't fix the TPPK, then provide an option to not be killed to the lame TPPKers. I'm being redundant, however head in sand equals nobody playing other than private games.

The option has been there for years, move the hell out of the way.

 

[bladesyz]

Could someone explain to me what exactly is TPPK?

 

[Martini]

Close thread please, it's going to result in a flamewar.

To the O.P. please don't come to this forum and try telling all the legit PKers that we're ruining the game, this forum is THE legit PvP haven on dii.net imho, and to do so is simply to troll.

Cheers
-Tai

Well, with that statement it ends. Differing opinions usually end up with requests to close threads, and that speaks volumes in itself.

I'll not take a parting shot on the issue. Peace out.

 

[Kilmin]

Could someone explain to me what exactly is TPPK?

Its a 3rd party program that allows someone to shoot a skill.. IE, Ice Blast, Bone Spirit or any other and hostile the person who is being shot at and allow the person to die while the other person is safe in town. normally resulting in the players death. Is a easy lame way of killing people... for those who dont know how to duel.

 

[BongoFury]

Differing opinions usually end up with requests to close threads, and that speaks volumes in itself.

I agree with what you have to say on the issue, but my voice has become a minority. Just be aware, there are a lot of folks here who gain pleasure by causing grief in others. Oh, they'll all start screaming at me again that I'm wrong and they do it for the challenge. But we know better. And it's SOP for them to scream to kill the thread, because they cannot justify their behavior when confronted with logic. But welcome to the HC forum, and don't let the vocal PK crowd intimidate you. Nor stifle what you have to say. And if you're looking for friendly co-op players, let me know and I'd be glad to give you a heads up where to look.

 

[NightShade]

*leans in door way*

By stating you won't take a parting shot, you are taking a parting shot....

I won't say I'm non biased, I obviously am...But I really do feel sorry for the corpse of the horse we all seem to be desicrating over and over...


The fact is, you can still be a prick and hostile people. What ever reason you do it for, you are a prick. You accept that when you hit the hostile button. I really don't much care. I know I'm a jerk, charging head long into some one who is really so far below me that they are insignificant...Does it make me a bad person? Yes. Am I alright with that? Yep.

You can't WP jump anymore, be thankful. You have less places to watch out for and you have less opertunity to get ganked from a wp. My prefered method of hostile hunt is still there. If you are stupid and don't hear that hostile siren for 10 seconds, you are going to be re-educated. If it bothers you to be hostiled, you could try to kill me....

Or lacking that, stick to games where I am not at, because 98% of the people on battlenet will not come look for you, just to piss you off. Hell, half the time people will give up after 5 minutes of looking for you on the map.

 

[Valar-Wrath]

And it's SOP for them to scream to kill the thread, because they cannot justify their behavior when confronted with logic.

Actually I think they 'scream to kill the thread' because this has been discussed so many times. It always ends in a flame war and most of the time, the person who's pissed at pkers leaves the forums for good. Except in your case, you're still here.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a flame war just as much as the next person, but when it gets to the point that the horse is now just a bunch of bones, it needs to stop.

 

[Tai.1]

Just be aware, there are a lot of folks here who gain pleasure by causing grief in others. Oh, they'll all start screaming at me again that I'm wrong and they do it for the challenge. But we know better. And it's SOP for them to scream to kill the thread, because they cannot justify their behavior when confronted with logic.

I love the fact that I make a request that we let the thread die so that we don't end up having anything near a flamewar result, and the next thing I see we have Bongo coming in and claiming that we're all ignorant and know that we can't justify our position through logic.
It's always nice when you try to stop a thread from spiralling out of control and someone feels the need to make a post that brings nothing to the converstaion except to troll.

You should know better by now Bongo

Cheers
-Tai

 

[BongoFury]

Actually I think they 'scream to kill the thread' because this has been discussed so many times.

So don't read those threads and don't post to them. And guess what, they go away. But when you keep reading and keep posting and keep inflaming the situation, someone will strike back.

Here's a perfect example:

... this forum is THE legit PvP haven on dii.net ...

In one breath it's stop this conversation, and with the next you throw gasoline on it. Well make up your mind. Because like I've said so many times before, if you're going to say stupid crap, I WILL speak up.

 

[Tai.1]

And if you are going to take my statements out of context, then I shall also be forced to reply.

There is one forum on this site where you can find actual PvP advice without the phrase DeSync Hammerdin coming up in every thread, and that would be this one. The majority of our regular posters (Azazaz, Barry, Matt, Shade, Kime, Lucky, Spade, Steve, Myself etc.) happen to participate in the PvP aspect of the game as well as PvM. Thus, this is probably not the best forum to be posting a thread about how the PvP system is a mistake made by Blizzard.

So you complain about me making two seperate statements in one thread, but they have a very distinct connection. I wish the thread had been closed when I said something, I made my opinion clear to the poster and he hasn't made any inflammatory statements since then, if I could say the same for you this thread would have died out and I would not have to type this right now.

Cheers
-Tai

 

[LuckyDwarf]

To get back to the original argument . . .

I know that originally one of the founders stuck to his guns

Blizzard isn't a company full of rogue programmers. The entire PvP code was programmed as a team, which was most likely read by many, many programmers.

But he was wrong.

That's your opinion. I'm sure the Blizzard team that created this game doesn't think so. As we all know they like to take their time releasing games to make sure they're how they want them.

At the close of ladder season 2, there was appx 5 pub games running in hc hell, and they were all, I repeat all trade games.

The end of ladder season 2. You mean countless months into the season where there were tons of dupes around and most people lost interest in the game because they thought that Blizzard had buried it? In my opinion there weren't/aren't many games for a couple of reasons. 1) TPPK put a dent into public baal games. 2) People don't make many quest games. Why bother when half the friends on your friends list, which is 5 that are active at this point in the ladder, have enigma hammerdins and can rush you to hell baals? 3) WoW came out a ways back and a lot of people took that up pretty quickly, putting another dent into the player base.

4) New season without maphack or chicken. Yes, that means people are actually dying because they relied on these hacks for so long they forgot how to play. Plus, the people using Netter's flaming pile of garbage have been banned, forcing some to quit playing, or atleast postponing their ladder climbs, which in turn lowers the amount of hell games on the list. If you look at the normal and nightmare lists you'll see plenty of games, a lot of them a1-a4 quest games too, which I think is great.

While the player base has dropped and will continue to drop as this game ages, you're coming at this at all the wrong angles. Blizzard shouldn't have to fix anything but TPPK and any other hack out there. The game they created 4.5+ years ago is just fine for me. Don't like it? Make a mod that you enjoy and host it on an illegal server so you know it'll be legit.

Be optimistic,
Lucky

 

[Valar-Wrath]

So don't read those threads and don't post to them. And guess what, they go away. But when you keep reading and keep posting and keep inflaming the situation, someone will strike back.

Because we see 'stupid crap' and some of us choose to speak up about it. Sound familiar? At the same time, we(or just me) are letting you know that this subject has been brought up so many times that there isn't a point to discuss it anymore. Basically when I say 'let's stop beating a dead horse' I'm letting you know that I'm willing to stop this idiotic argument as long as you are. But it seems you just have to get the last word. If you insist on discussing it, go to one of the other countless threads you started your flame wars in and post there.

I can not think of anything more suitable to describe you.

http://carepolice.ytmnd.com/

I am extremely annoyed by all of your anti-pk posts. Hell, Stinger isn't half as bad as you, at least he says what he has to say in a non-degrading way. Stinger shows respect and is willing to look at it from the other side. You, on the other hand, lack respect in most, if not all, of your posts. You are one-sided. Stinger says he doesn't agree with what 'we' do, that is FINE. He does not go around saying that anyone that pks lacks legitimacy. Maybe I don't agree with the way you play the game. Should I automatically say you are illegit?
Say that you don't like what we do, however many times you want. But do not question our in-game morals just because our opinions differ.

We kill players here! If YOU don't like it, YOU can choose not to read or post in these forums. Ever again.


For once in your (forum) life, Bongo, agree to disagree.

 

[terrymanning]

Martini,

As someone who is very much anti-pk I am going to have to disagree with your argument. The option for non-consensual hostility belongs in the game. From a game play perspective you would expect that some of the human inhabitants of the lands would support the evil forces that have taken precedence. If you try and immerse yourself in the role playing aspect of the game, would you really leave town with just anyone who asked to join your party, probably not. You would probably look very closely at them to decide if you want to walks away from the safety of town with them. You have to do the same thing during game play. You have to always be vigilant.

I agree with the others who have already stated that the game mechanics are not the problem. The fact that the people create hacks in order to circumvent the game mechanics will always be the problem. We should all fault Blizzard for not keeping the realms cheat free, not for adding another challenge to the game.

 

[tooie1]

Hell, Stinger isn't half as bad as you, at least he says what he has to say in a non-degrading way. Stinger shows respect and is willing to look at it from the other side.

Hmm, I'm not familar with this version of Stinger, I only know the "Evil Stinger" who can be differentiated from "Good Stinger" by the evil looking goatee that he sports.

Just kidding of course, I wonder what ever happened to Stinger?