Best way to get a specific amy?

[Astral__PvP]

Best way to get a specific amy?

Im building a light sorc and I need a 3light/10fcr amy.
I think that crafted amulets cant get +3to a certain skill tree.(can anyone admit this?)
So now Im muting rings(3rings=1amulet recipe). I know that chances are really low but I think its possible and magic rings arent hard to find. :lol:
I would be very happy to see comments on this second method:
Does ilvl of rings matter? I dont think so..
Does your clvl matter? I dont know. :hanky:
What are the chances of getting 2 mods?

 

[Pitboss_2000]

You can get a magic ammy with +3 to light and 20% FCR...

And I don't think the +3 can spawn on crafted items, it can't spawn on rares either.

 

[Astral__PvP]

You can get a magic ammy with +3 to light and 20% FCR...

No you cant...
The 20%FCR suffix(magus) doesnt spawn on amulets, and you cant have 2 10fcr suffixes on a magical item. Only crafts can have 20fcr..
Common I want an opinion of somebody who has some basic knowledge. :uhhuh:

 

[pncwd]

Well I can tell you about the three ring to an ammy cube deal.

The ilvl and the clvl do matter, and the easy way to figure it is clvl x .75= new ammy ilvl. There is a long drawn out formula for this but that is the best way to figure the new ilvl.
As far as crafting the formula is morre like this
ilvl + clvl / 2 = new ilvl.
once again there is a long formula for this but this should surfice for the needs of getting certain mods that you might be looking for.

The best two ammys you could get without crafting.

magic (blue)
+3 Light skills / 10FCR

if you are really lucky

rare ring (yellow)
+2 sorc skills
10% FCR
mana
energy
resist all

 

[Astral__PvP]

Well I can tell you about the three ring to an ammy cube deal.

The ilvl and the clvl do matter, and the easy way to figure it is clvl x .75= new ammy ilvl.

How does the ilvl of rings matter? What happens if I cube rings with different ilvls?. I cant say this with full confidence but I think I cubed some +3skills ammys with rings from normal, so I think that the ilvl of rings you cube doesnt matter only your clvl does. I could be wrong, because if I cube like >100 rings I dont remember from where they came for. :stoned:

 

[Pitboss_2000]

Common I want an opinion of somebody who has some basic knowledge.

I'd tell you to shove it, but... Ahh, shove it! Just trying to help, and this is the thanks I get...

 

[Astral__PvP]

I'd tell you to shove it, but... Ahh, shove it! Just trying to help, and this is the thanks I get...

Sorry I didnt want to upset you. :buddies:
But for example if somebody asks a question and I dont know the answer then I dont post my imaginationary answers. :howdy: Well thats what I think about it, some may think different. :thanks:

 

[pncwd]

How does the ilvl of rings matter? What happens if I cube rings with different ilvls?. I cant say this with full confidence but I think I cubed some +3skills ammys with rings from normal, so I think that the ilvl of rings you cube doesnt matter only your clvl does. I could be wrong, because if I cube like >100 rings I dont remember from where they came for. :stoned:

There is a formula that is figured in there but I dont know what it is. For the most part though you can pretty much guarentee that it will turn out to be clvl x .75 for the new ilvl.

I am going to have to call on Thrugg to answer the whole formula question though, He is the formula master, lol. ooO Thrugg where you at, can you offer up a little formula help here?

 

[Thrugg]

The ilvl of the rings does not matter, only your clvl does, and as pncwd says, it is more or less output ilvl = 0.75*clvl. In fact it is precisely ilvl = (clvl * 75) / 100 all done in integer math (so rounding down after any division). Which you can cancel down to (clvl * 3) / 4 if you want.

You have a 1/4 chance of a given magical item having both prefix and suffix (1/4 just prefix, 1/2 just suffix).

+3 skill tree requires an ilvl 60 amulet, so you will need to be at least clvl 80.
At exactly clvl 80, you have an unappealing 1/31478 chance of producing a Powered Amulet of the Apprentice, and it only gets worse above there (that's about 1/200 of getting a particular +skill tree mod, 1/40 of getting Apprentice, and 1/4 of getting both pre- and suffix).

 

[Uzziah]

+3 skill tree requires an ilvl 60 amulet, so you will need to be at least clvl 80.At exactly clvl 80, you have an unappealing 1/31478 chance of producing a Powered Amulet of the Apprentice, and it only gets worse above there (that's about 1/200 of getting a particular +skill tree mod, 1/40 of getting Apprentice, and 1/4 of getting both pre- and suffix).

ah come on Thrugg thats only ~ 100,000 rings needed to get it. :uhhuh: anyone could farm that many in a weekend :lol:

 

[Ax2Grind]

Your path is clear

Magical amulet: Powered Amulet of the Apprentice, ILvl 60 for prefix meaning CLvl 80 isn't that hard to reach with other characters, but as Thrugg said, odds are slim cubing it. Still, you hunt for items to sell and find rings to cube and amulets that have that chance (cubed if not). You gamble with that gold for amulets and could receive it, and if not you cube the wasted gambles, keeping or trading other good amulets in the process.

Rare amulet: Arch-Angel's/Prismatic/Wyrm's Amulet of the Apprentice/Wizardry/Gargantuan would be godly, but anything remotely close if you're not lightning-only would be fantastic. Of course, trading for it would be outrageous. You have a better chance of trading for the set amulet.

Crafted amulet: Even more rare is +2 to sorceress skills and 10% FCR with a high/maximum roll on regeneration, mana and inherent FCR to receive 20% total with any two other usable affixes.

Set amulet: Tal Rasha's Adjudication. You'll need other parts of the set to gain the FCR partial set bonus, but it's the only set/unique amulet I know of with that and +2, at least for a sorceress.

Unique amulet: none I know of.

I tend to simplify things. Are you going totally lightning, holding nothing back? If so, are you willing to give up resistances, mana/energy and such on a magical to get the extra +skill? If so, then start hunting for sellable items while spying the ground for jewelry and gamble when your purse is full and cube when your stash is. In your spare time check the trade forums and channels to see if anyone has a +3/10% in their greedy little paws. Good luck.

 

[Astral__PvP]

Thx for replies
I will be having a hard time getting that stupid amulet. :scared:
And yes this build is very lightning oriented and that fcr is needed for the last BP. This is an ES build so no res, life are needed though mdr,pdr,mana would be nice.

 

[helvete1]

In that case, I suggest you craft a safety amulet while you're looking for the perfect one. With a little luck, you'll craft +1 or +2 to all skills (or lightning), +chanse to block (you are going for block, right?) mdr, pdr, and still possibly 10% faster cast. A +2 all skills would be clvlreq 89, with +2 lightning you'd probably get away with a much lower req...

Which items are you getting your cast rate from? Perhaps leave out 1 soj and use a Powered Amulet of Life Everlasting and a good 10% fcr ring? That would give you less mana and one less skill, but with a good rare ring you'd get by... might even concider crafting a safety ot caster ring.

Just trying to help.

 

[Ax2Grind]

If he's talking about the last breakpoint he cant be talking about 200% at 7FPA, since that requires a crafted caster amulet with 20%. If the FCR is that important he's probably going for the second to last, 105% at 8FPA. That's easy to hit for a sorceress if she's wearing the right weapon and shield, but I couldn't guess his gear outside the purpose of this thread, amulets.

 

[helvete1]

With a griffons, you'd only need 15% fcr on the amulet, provided you use skin of the vipermagi, and not a stealth (for any reason).

However, 105% should be easy to get, yes.
With my ES sorc, I use a Gerke's Sanctuary shield. It provides a good blocking % and good pdr/mdr. However, it is something likle 133 str req, so I socketed it with -req jewel... But I'm going to find a Sol or Mal instead, because the extra mana is cheaper gained from charms. I use a 10% increased block, 14dex, 2+skills, 10%fcr 1/4 dr crafted safety amulet (or, I _will_ when i hit 89 with her) and I plan to use gladiators bane. Now to get to the 8 frame breakpoint, I'd need 100% more... guess 40% eschutas, 20% rings, 20% belt and 20% gloves would do it?? Or if I had a godly rare circlet with +2 skills, 2 sockets, lots of mana, 20% or 10% faster cast, a little damage reduce, and perhaps run/walk or something, I'd lose my shako and go for one or two sojs (still getting to 110% and past the breakpoint).

Uh... I wasn't masturbating or anything... really :innocent:

 

[Pitboss_2000]

No hard feelings! I honestly thought that 20% FCR can spawn on ammys as well, I even looked up the mods on the AR's pre- and suffixes site to see if it can spawn on rares or just magic items and I completely failed to notice that the 20% FCR can't spawn on ammys AT ALL.

 

[Astral__PvP]

@Helvete: Well i didnt consider crafting a safety ammy.. I dont need the block(this is one pvp char that doesnt need block). I have a nice 10fcr ring(14dex, 17str, 83 mana) and Im using it now becasue i dont have a second SoJ yet, but I would rather go with 2 sojs.

@Ax2Grind: My goal is 117fcr(I said this is a light sorc).

My gear:
Shako mal/sol
Hoto
Viper mal/sol
Lidless mal/sol
Frosts
Arachids
Silks
SoJ & nice fcr ring (wanting to go with 2 sojs)
3light 50% psn time reduced ammy (wanting 3light 10 fcr)

As you see I have 120fcr atm, but I want to go with 2 sojs
Changing Shako for Griffons is not a good idea. Also I wont change Hoto for Wiz. I have my skills placed in a way that with the gear I want I will have exactly lvl 40 ES. So I will be trying to get that uber Ammy.

 

[Singollo]

the best whay to get that ammy is to gamble, you can get a circlet with +3/20fcr though and these sell well to, so getting a good one can be hard, but i would rather have a good +2 ammy with fcr for the other 4 potentialy good mods like reisist or life ect.

if you really mst have that ammy, get some gold find a good gheeds and start finding gold and selling itms, if doing this you may get a good rare or even a unique

my 2 cent :thumbsup:

 

[Frosty_The_Snowman]

I think I have a Rare Amulet with +2 Lightning Skills +10% FCR +1X% prismatic resists +Nice other mods somewhere on a mule.
If you're interested, I'll make a thread in the trade forum with all the exact stats, so you'll be free to bid for it, and I'll give you the link in this thread. Just let me know.
- Frosty :xsnow:

 

[Ax2Grind]

@Ax2Grind: My goal is 117fcr(I said this is a light sorc).

My gear:
Shako mal/sol
Hoto
Viper mal/sol
Lidless mal/sol
Frosts
Arachids
Silks
SoJ & nice fcr ring (wanting to go with 2 sojs)
3light 50% psn time reduced ammy (wanting 3light 10 fcr)

As you see I have 120fcr atm, but I want to go with 2 sojs
Changing Shako for Griffons is not a good idea. Also I wont change Hoto for Wiz. I have my skills placed in a way that with the gear I want I will have exactly lvl 40 ES. So I will be trying to get that uber Ammy.

40+30+20+20+10 and another possible 10 would make 130, that's 25% more than necessary, even if you dump the FCR ring for a Stone, that's 15 more than necessary. You don't need the amulet, since you've already reached the breakpoint. As I've been told, breakpoints are all that matters and you won't average the frames per attack, every attack you'll have is at 8FPA.

+105-199%FCR for a sorc means 8FPA at all times, only 200% (which is the absolute max for a sorc) gets 7FPA. If you're set on the HotO, Viper Magi, Mesh and Lidless and you won't be weapon-switching and still needing the FCR (you haven't said what your weapon switch would be) then you're fine right now.