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Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

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Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

What would be the best Hammerdin MF Gear so that I can solo Hell Diablo/Mephisto/Baal given the ff:

a) FCR should be equal or more than 75
b) FHR should be equal or more than 86
c) COB should be 75%
d) All Resist should be 75% in Hell
e) MF should be equal or more than 250% (more is better)
f) To be able to clear/defeat hell boss as fast and safe as possible

Is this attainable? I tried several mix of items and I can't achieve this.

Right now I'm looking at the following items (but it still lacks FHR/resist/etc):

Weapon- Heart of the Oak
Helm- Harlequin Crest Shako + Ptopaz
Boots- War Travelers
Gloves- Chance Guards
Armor- Enigma Archon
Shield- Spirit Sacred Targe
Amulet- Mara’s Kaleidoscope
Belt- Arachnid Mesh
Ring1- Stone of Jordans- +25% mana
Ring2- Nagelring
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Weapon2- Blade of Alibaba - for MF (boss)
Weapon3- Call to Arms - for Buff
Shield2- Rhyme Shield - for MF (boss)

Please help. Thanks.
 
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Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

1. Dump the MF switches. You're wasting your time.

2. I would highly suggest 125 fcr over 75 fcr, but if you're set on 75, use a HoZ instead of a Spirit, and use Magies instead of Chancies.

I don't see how you cannot achieve the listed goals. They're fairly easy for a hdin.
 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

Scudstorm - Can you give me your best setup that would achieve my goals? Would using a HOZ and MAgies make me achieve all the goals i listed?
 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

Actually you will be better off with Spirit vs. HoZ for your FHR goal. You shouldn't be having an issue with resists if you have a decent base shield, a torch, and anni. You will need 7 small FHR charms to hit the 86% BP, but in my opinion it is totally unnecessary for a PvM Hammerdin. In place of a Nagelring I like to use a rare with + fres%, +dex, +mana, etc.
 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

Toss the MF switchoffs.
If you don't care at all about your damage output (10k and 13+k doesn't make a hell of a difference for the average MFer, to be honest), here would be my setup:

Weapon- Wizardspike Ist'ed. 50FCR/75@/30MF, you can't beat this.
Shield- Spirit in a 45@ base. GG resistances, 55FHR ~35FCR.
Armor- Enigma Enigma Enigma Enigma Enigma Enigma Enigma Enigma
Helm- Shako Ist'ed
Amulet- if you can find something with resists and MF, good for you; if not Mara's always works. I use a +2/20res/20MF amulet for my Hammerdin.
Belt: Arachnids (for 125FCR) or Goldwrap twice upp'd
Gloves: Trangs/Magefists (125FCR). Chanceguards if not.
Boots: War Travelers
Rings: 2x 30MF Nagels

You're looking at 75/125FCR, an average of at least 300MF (even if you go 125FCR) before charms.

Fill up FHR using charms instead of gear. The maximum MF per slot in your inventory is only 7% extra MF, while each slot of your gear may represent much more than that.
You might also be a bit short on resistances (my guess is no larger than 10~15%) depending on the gear, but again, resist charms work better than replacing gear, because you can get additional mods.
Heck, if you're rich enough you can even get 5@/5FHR SCs or 5@/7MF.


-Kinky
 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

why are you guys suggesting to dump the MF switchoffs? Doesnt that give you a very big MF boost when killing bosses? Like an additional 100MF ? You would just need to hit "W" when the boss is about to die right?
 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

The problem with MF is that it's affected by steep diminishing returns, so you won't find twice as many uniques with 600 MF as with 300 MF: the real difference is less than a 20% increase, which is almost always not worth the necessary sacrifices in gear (you'll be losing killing speed, which means less items will drop, even if a few more of them are unique you'll have worse results over time).

That's why we're not fans of the MF switch, you'd benefit much more from a CtA on switch since more life lets you be more aggressive and kill faster as a result.
 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

yeah but if my MF is only 250 then a switch will give me an MF of 350. I believe that the diminishing returns would start at MF 350+
 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

My level 93 MF Pally has 500% MF full-time with no switch gear AND I can play crazy aggressive because I have a CtA on switch...lose the switch MF gear and focus on kill speed first. I agree with Kinky, 10K hammers is plenty, especially with 125% FCR.
 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

joms said:
yeah but if my MF is only 250 then a switch will give me an MF of 350. I believe that the diminishing returns would start at MF 350+
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my hammerdin got enigma gheeds and shako ber'ed, and thats all of my mfing power... total hp: 3k with lvl 15 bo, yet i play safe, i am not a nutter to jump on stupid might + fana + extra fast extra storng packs ¬¬ HC after all.

FYI its rare to see anybody 200mf mfing char on hc, all are between 50-150 usually.


 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

I see. So can you recommend what items I need to change from the setup I posted? Thanks.
 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

tbh, your items more then enough to do pvm, but i d get 125% fcr.

for that you need to change ring to fcr have perfict fcr spirit with hoto and arach or mage.

other wise, keep it as it is ( i am using marrow walks because i didnt find WT's at the time, and now i need additional 17 dex pts to keep mb, and at lvl 92 its hard to find any spare pts... )

besides, you on softcore, right?
 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

yup im on softcore.

By the way, what shield would be best to pair up with Call to Arms while buffing?
 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

Spirit, since the +2 all skills will increase the BO level too
 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

So that means I have to have 2x spirit sacred targe shields?
 
Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

joms said:
yeah but if my MF is only 250 then a switch will give me an MF of 350. I believe that the diminishing returns would start at MF 350+
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"diminishing returns" starts at 0

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      50 	      46 	   45 	              41 
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Re: Best Hammerdin MF Gear given some conditions

Easy enough:

helm: Harlequin's Crest (shael)
ammy: mara's kaleidoscope (any will do)
armor: enigma
weapon: Wizardspike (ist)
shield: "Spirit" Sacred targe (aim for 40+ resists on the base shield) you don't need to care for the fcr on the shield if you're aiming for 75%fcr
glove: Chance guards
belt: goldwrap (upgrade it to get 16 boxes for potions
rings: nagelrings
boot: sandstorm treks

charms: hellfire torch (any if you don't have a pally one), annihilus, gheed's fortune

with that setup you'll have max resists for sure (even with the crappiest torch/anni ever), 95% fhr which is more than needed, at least 75% fcr and (depending on your items/level) around 300%mf. simple, huh?

that being said, I would really reccomend you to take scudstorm's approach and go for 125% fcr as that makes for faster runs, and faster runs = more items over time.

hope it helps!
 
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