Baldur's Gate Mafia Game

Sathoris said:
What on earth possessed you to claim like that very late on D1? Pharphis' last ditch attempt to rat you out was an obvious mafia ploy.
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There are two killing elements this game. I knew pharphis was lying but I was worried the other killing element would take a shot anyway if I simply called him out as a liar. But more importantly, the last time I had an investigation role and claimed on D1, it turned out not only wildly successful, but wildly fun. I had faith the successful part would happen again and hoped the fun part would repeat itself.

Sathoris said:
We had no knowledge of two mafia teams so even if Phar was speaking the truth all his mafia buddies knew anyway and you'd be a target regardless of your claim.
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Don't you mean "even if phar was lying?" This statement doesn't make sense otherwise.

Sathoris said:
But Phar mentioned he watched BA and saw you visit him. Which he couldn't have if you're telling the truth. You're lying, why?
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Seriously.... You think I'm lying because you believe what a confirmed scum said about me.

On N1 I targeted CDM. I was told CDM did not target anyone. CDM was mentioned in my results so I don't believe I was involved in a bus switch.

Sathoris said:
We had no knowledge of two mafia teams
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Just requoting this. Did I spy with my eye a mafia slyp? Had was past tense. What knowledge do you currently have for two mafia teams?
 
Caluin Graye said:
Both of these passages are aimed at undermining the usefulness of the double-lynch. I see this as you trying to push fear into the town, citing poor usage in the past as evidence.

I disagree when you say that the lynch is a primary weapon for the mafia. I exert that it is the primary town weapon that can be influenced by the mafia, but still ultimately rests upon the town's decision. More importantly, barring rare roles like a vig, it is the town's only weapon to use against scum, whereas mafia always have their night kill. Suggesting that we not use that weapon when we know our enemy will be attacking us is a poor notion.
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You are 100% correct that I was pushing fear into the town. Lynching for information is bad. Lynching for information twice is worse. You lynch to lynch scum, not to obtain information. Information obtain from trying to obtain information is less reliable than information obtain while trying to do what you are supposed to be doing which is to lynch scum. How many players would vote for just about anyone on D1 as long as their vote secured a lynch? Probably over half the players.

Town didn't lynch for information yesterday. Was it because of my posts? Mostly likely not. Party Host was immensely helpful. Was I right? Absolutely.

The primary weapon for town/mafia is semantics. Mafia win when they achieve enough mislynches (or no lynches). Town lose when they perform enough mislynches (or no lynches). The two statements are equivalent. Do you disagree with my assertion that D1 is the day most likely to result in a mislynch? Do you disagree with my assertion that D1 is the day most likely for mafia to get away with a mislynch?

It's not correct to say I was advocating not using a lynch. I advocated not using a lynch over using a lynch poorly. Feel free to disagree with me, but lynching for information is mafia play, not townie play.
 
Caluin Graye said:
I'm thinking you suspected there were two scum factions when the game started. Perhaps you saw the size of your team, deemed it smaller than expected for the size of the game, and the Twilight post was you gently broaching the subject?

Who's most concerned about there being multiple teams of mafia in the game? Yup, the mafia.
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I'm having a hard time connecting the dots. Can you explain it better?
 
Bad Ash said:
Ok so discuss. What your point? Let's hear it. I want your opinion on the Pro-Town mafia power roles.
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Power role is anything that isn't vanilla townie or vanilla goon.

Some power roles are exclusively anti-town: ninja and godfather.
Some power roles are split between town and anti-town: roleblocker and rolecop.
Some power roles are exclusively pro-town: doc and cop.

I'd put JOAT and watcher in that exclusively pro-town list rather than any other. Some players would believe anyone who claimed watcher simply because they claimed watcher. That's a mistake. The same for me and my tracker claim.

By all rights, someone should have pointed to pharphis the mafia watcher and made some insinuation about my tracker claim. It's a connection I expected several to talk about if only to guage my reaction. Only CDM did (though he didn't exactly point out a possible connection between pharphis and I, he did bring up the idea of a mafia tracker). What's that say?
 
Unvote: coju
Vote: Goryani

Kill: coju

That's one.
 
Goryani said:
Power role is anything that isn't vanilla townie or vanilla goon.

Some power roles are exclusively anti-town: ninja and godfather.
Some power roles are split between town and anti-town: roleblocker and rolecop.
Some power roles are exclusively pro-town: doc and cop.

I'd put JOAT and watcher in that exclusively pro-town list rather than any other. Some players would believe anyone who claimed watcher simply because they claimed watcher. That's a mistake. The same for me and my tracker claim.

By all rights, someone should have pointed to pharphis the mafia watcher and made some insinuation about my tracker claim. It's a connection I expected several to talk about if only to guage my reaction. Only CDM did (though he didn't exactly point out a possible connection between pharphis and I, he did bring up the idea of a mafia tracker). What's that say?
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Vote: Goryani


So this is first off a terrible reply to my question. I wasn't asking to be taught that a JOAT and Watcher are considered pro-town roles. I wanted your opinion on why this is a talking point and not a distraction. You failed. Yes, I have internally thought that you should not be cleared because tracker and watcher are similar, but why bring it up if it isn't relevant? To distract the town from focusing?
 
Pyro
1[SUP]st[/SUP] voter on Phar
Sath
2[SUP]nd[/SUP] voter on Phar
BPC
3[SUP]rd[/SUP] vote on phar
Bad Ash
4[SUP]th[/SUP] vote on phar
Gwahir
5[SUP]th[/SUP] vote on phar
Caluin Graye
6[SUP]th[/SUP] vote on phar
kestegs
7[SUP]th[/SUP] vote on phar
Laarz
8[SUP]th[/SUP] vote on phar
CDM
9[SUP]th[/SUP] vote on phar
Coju
10[SUP]th[/SUP] vote on phar

coju:
Vote 2:
Caluin Graye

Gory and FoE voting kegs and not phar

Caluin graye vote 2 for dead player, then fake votes for ankeli
Now votes for FoE

Phar vote 2 for BPC
Djm fake votes for phar
Gory votes for Jason maher after 8 votes on phar have been place

Kestegs scum list:
My scum list:
Pharphy
Gory
flubly
Laarz




Here we go. The only questionable evidence in here is DJM's fake vote on phar. (I think Solar counted it)


Posting my response to this after this in case you turds aren't reading it ;)
 
Here's the kicker. Kestegs voting 7th on Phar is crazy. There has to be two mafia groups.

Pharphis was pretty pissed off that we got lumped in with kegs for the simple post of "lets see what he has to say" dems da breaks they say.

Why why why would kegs vote for phar 7th if they were on the same team? The dude was super close to not being lynched.

Goryani had no problem voting for kegs, but voted for Jason Maher? WHAT? Tons of interaction with phar too.

CG is super shady but again, the vote was so close that I dont know if he'd do it. He might be on Kegs team. 100% would not be shocked by this. His behavior was off the charts scummy. Multiple mis-votes. Voting for a dead player. etc.

Noodle says basically the EXACT same thing as Pharphis does and gets no attention because he lurks like a mother. Noodle should go, Gory should go, and CG should go.
 
Gory/Phar theory:

Gory tracked me. Phar watched someone we do not know.

Phar knew he had to claim and claimed Gory's information, why? To keep a shred of mystery. If Phar has the guts to bus his teammate, he has the brains to pull that off. Tracker and Watcher are similar enough where Gory might be able to bs it, and they both had eachothers information.

Gory claimed he was blocked last night. I hate coincidences, but i don't know if that qualifies.

Noodle and CG are my other two main targets so unless they get more traction not sure my vote changes
 
Bad Ash said:
So this is first off a terrible reply to my question. I wasn't asking to be taught that a JOAT and Watcher are considered pro-town roles. I wanted your opinion on why this is a talking point and not a distraction. You failed. Yes, I have internally thought that you should not be cleared because tracker and watcher are similar, but why bring it up if it isn't relevant? To distract the town from focusing?
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Look at the players who called me scummy. Look at their reasons.... Find any?
 
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