I went back and read through Twilight. One of the interesting things about pharphis is that he was against the use of two lynches on Day One, should the dragonhunt be successful. I was looking for other people who exhibited the same tendencies.
My notes are slightly out of sequence, since I want to group them by person.
Just remembered this. Forget what i said about locking.
You unvoted the Dragonhunt, citing the lock mechanic, then shortly afterwards mentioned you were mistaken about the lock mechanic. Yet you did not revote on the hunt. Why is this?
Also I think it is actually a good point to be aware of, as we may not know the full importance of this hunt (or future sidequests - could this be a daily thing?). If it continues, how much effort should be put into solving it, how much care into making the right choice? Could be the only effect is a second lynch for us tomorrow, but that is not a huge advantage.
Wait, what, don't think that is what I said. I don't think it is a very large town advantage, but I do think that there can be some advantage to it if used properly.
This strikes me as a passage aimed at subtly undermining the usefulness of the Dragonhunt mechanic, but still retaining the standpoint of being pro-dual lynch. Specifically, the bolded passages. Having a second lynch is
huge. Lynches serve two purposes: Remove scum from the game, and remove town that are acting scummy enough that they're giving the scum a place to hide amongst. Having an extra lynch is a great responsibility, but also very powerful.
It could become much more important if mafia get some sort of advantage if we fail. There might be no way to tell if they do, but it is something to keep an eye out for.
You think that it is set up to benefit the scum if we hunt the right one and benefit the scum if we lynch the wrong one? I find that unlikely.
You seemed to be the only person concerned with the scum gaining an advantage should we have picked out the wrong target. SI never mentioned a penalty to town for picking wrong. thefranklin agreed with you.
My gut still tells me that thefranklin was scum. I have no evidence of this, just reading the connections between him and kestegs and the fact that he was anti-double lynch. If I work off the assumption that he was scum, then that forms a connection to you.
Actually, I remember that from the Cheers mafia game, where mafia tried to get suspicious townies using the second lynch. A possibility that occurred to me where this could be of good use to the town is if there is a one shot lynch immune mafia. If we don't have 2 good targets, we use both on the same person.
SI, can the power be used to double lynch the same person?
And lastly, these just bother the crap out of me. It reads like you're suggesting that the town should consider throwing away their second lynch because the primary target
might be one-shot lynch immune. Wasteful.
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Rereading this post: If town 'needs' an extra lynch, there is possibly more mafia to worry about than the standard 1/4'th. Thoughts?
I've read over Gwaihir's posts quite well, and I don't see where he mentioned that the town 'needs' an extra lynch. More over, you began speaking early about larger than normal mafia in the game.
Then, coupled with this today:
coju said:
This would lead me to believe 2 scum factions.
I'm thinking you suspected there were two scum factions when the game started. Perhaps you saw the size of your team, deemed it smaller than expected for the size of the game, and the Twilight post was you gently broaching the subject?
Who's most concerned about there being multiple teams of mafia in the game? Yup, the mafia.
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But the goal isn't in Twilight....the true goal is finding TWO scum to lynch on D1. Look at how mafia were able to abuse the dual lynch of the Cheers game. I'm pretty sure a townie was lynched with the extra vote every time. D1 is gonna be interesting.
Lynches are given to mafia as well and are a primary weapon that allows mafia to win the game. Lynch or mislynch is the zero sum struggle which determines the winner of a mafia game. D1 is most skewed toward mislynch. If the dragonhunt is placed for balance reasons, I think it's more likely it aids mafia, giving them the opportunity to mislynch an extra townie with little to no risk.
Just because we have an option to double lynch doesn't mean we should use it. Too much lynching for information and not enough lynching to eliminate scum.
Both of these passages are aimed at undermining the usefulness of the double-lynch. I see this as you trying to push fear into the town, citing poor usage in the past as evidence.
I disagree when you say that the lynch is a primary weapon for the mafia. I exert that it is the primary town weapon that can be influenced by the mafia, but still ultimately rests upon the town's decision. More importantly, barring rare roles like a vig, it is the town's
only weapon to use against scum, whereas mafia always have their night kill. Suggesting that we not use that weapon when we know our enemy will be attacking us is a poor notion.
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Back to Gwaihir really quick:
Actually, I remember that from the Cheers mafia game, where mafia tried to get suspicious townies using the second lynch. A possibility that occurred to me where this could be of good use to the town is if there is a one shot lynch immune mafia. If we don't have 2 good targets, we use both on the same person.
Parroting Goryani's attempts to devalue the lynch while readdressing the 'lynch one guy twice' course of action.
I'd like to see any of the three above be lynched today. I feel most strongly about Gwaihir, with Goryani following a close second.
Vote: Gwaihir
