accounts closed over botting

Okay well we're going to set new records for people being banned from Bnet and then banned from these forums. Before you complain, refer to the forum rules:

I Got Banned! What’s the Deal?: Well, I told you not to break the rules, right?! First, check the last few threads you posted in – it is very likely that a moderator made a post that details the reason for the ban and its duration. If it’s a temporary ban, your posting privileges will resume after the stated time. Do not make a new account to ask why you were banned. Instead, contact your moderator via email if you have questions (email addresses are below in Post #3). Making a new account while under a temp-ban will result not only in the banning of the new account, but the temp-ban on your original account will be upgraded to permanent.

Gorny owns you (and me as well).:lipsrsealed:
 
quietus said:
Caliban, stop talking before your other foot ends up in your mouth. Because it's entirely possible to hit maggot 3 in 14 seconds without maphack if you know what you're doing, and can find the entrance to the lair quickly. You just have to know the maps. I do, and it takes me approximately five minutes longer to do a full grush compared to mhers. The difference? I put the small amount of effort in to learn the maps, and I didn't get banned for my trouble.

As far as rushes, I play with other clean players, and generally don't get rushed anyway. Thanks.

Baaling - as mentioned before, I know the maps, and I run baals FASTER and SAFER than the bots.
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Lol--ok dude. IF you find the entrance. IF you find it. If it's within view after a a few random teles by you. You spent time memorizing a set of potential maps for three layers of maggots? :shocked: Wait, wait...hold on...I can't stop laughing...I might pee myself....and here I thought I was the one without a life (and I am, which is a doubly sad commentary of where you must be, my friend).

If you rushed me a dozen times, I'd put a SOJ that you'd never hit Mag-3 in 14 seconds. It takes probably four to walk to the Lut Gholein WP, bright-boy.

Open mouth, insert foot, and apply your moniker to your mouth, windbag.

qui·e·tus ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kw-ts)
n.
Something that serves to suppress, check, or eliminate.

As in "st(insert moderator friendly letter here)u."

Quit getting all bent, and directing your hostility towards botting/hacking towards me. Lighten up. I'm just making an observation: as many people are crying foul over being unfairly banned, just as many cheerleaders have benefitted from the hacking.

And if your rush takes 5 minutes longer than a competent mher, that universal mher you're referring too is retarded, blind, and is only armed with a cracked sash (used to garotte unruly venom lords) and a half-drunk bottle of antidote. Bravo for you.

Next! :wave:

~calibansfury
 
calibansfury said:
And of course only AFTER I post do I notice Gorny's warning.

Hey Gorny! :flowers:

All's quietus on the calibansfury front. :lipsrsealed:

~calibansfury
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See you in five days.
 
:::reads forum rules::::

Ok, back on topic.. Although i fully support the mass bannings, I will admit I am a bit sad that almost my entire friend list has been wiped out. Although i knew some of these people used hacks, some of the bans caught me completely off guard. Not surprisngly, the few friends that did survive happened to be fellow dii.net members. Also, i have a question. Does anyone really know the reasoning behind some of the bans? One of my friends told me his cd key was disabled, but his accounts were still up. He went to a friend's house and was able to log onto all his accounts from that cd-key. Supposedly, all he would have to do is buy another copy and continue on. It seems this particular ban would only benefit blizzard, who gets another 40 bucks added to their coffers. Another friend lost his accounts, but still retained his cdkey, so all he had to was create a new account. I'm not sure what would be worse, losing my cd-key and having to buy another copy of the game, but retaining my hard-earned, legit items, or losing all my accounts, having to start over, but still in possession of a working cd-key. Im glad i wont ever have to find out! :grin:
 
usbserial said:
I've said it before... ruststorms don't hurt the actual dupers nearly as much as it hurts everyone else.

Blizzard needs to FIX DUPING. If they don't fix the methods of duping before the new ladder season, the new ladder will be just as bad as the currently ladder is now in a month or two.
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I totally disagree. Yes, I'm going to get on my soap box here. I've never had an item poof on me, ever. Yes there are lots of dupes out there, just avoid them. It's actually pretty easy.

Don't trade for HR's, or just about anything on open battle net. That's why we have the trading forums here. If you ask someone on our forums here, if they can personally vouch that they found the item them, you will generally get an honest response. If they say that they traded the item from someone else, thank them for their time and move on. It is possible to trade for anything you want and still be legit. This probably means you will never own a perfect anni, coa, etc, but the cost of being legit and never frearing a ruststorm is well worth it.

Unfortunately we will probably never be able to totally stop hacks/cheats/dupes etc, but anything blizzard can do to clean up the realm is a step forward. Blizzard can target me with a ruststorm everytime I log on or play - it doesn't affect me, except I may finally get a decent price for the stuff I'm finding on my own.

*exits soap box, goes back to rushing friends and hosting "i tele baal" games.

Look me up on US East if you need help - /w *jak3676
 
GreyGhost said:
(xvii) create or maintain, under any circumstance, more than one simultaneous connection to Battle.net.
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*blink*

This is on the list? Does anyone know what it means, exactly?
 
baffle said:
*blink*

This is on the list? Does anyone know what it means, exactly?
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People who self-mule presumably?
But then they should have a 2nd cd key for the second computer. Assuming that it is in fact a 2nd computer and not a 2nd install of diablo on the same computer.
 
But then they should have a 2nd cd key for the second computer. Assuming that it is in fact a 2nd computer and not a 2nd install of diablo on the same computer.
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But what if they play Diablo II and Warcraft III at the same time?
That's two connections, both to battle.net.
 
Calibans, I wasn't attempting to direct my any hostility toward you, simply explained my point of view. And learning the map patterns (I agree that if I memorized ALL the maps, then I'd have to have a problem) isn't difficult. It's as difficult as remembering "right" or "left" for any individual map. Lair 1 and 2 are both right patterns, while the third level you simply head for the top right. Catacombs 2 is right, viper temple is left, tal's tomb is left, etc, etc, etc.

I was actually going to work on a map guide, so that other people who play without maphack but haven't got the time to learn these things for themselves can take advantage of these little quirks. Perhaps I still will, though it's unlikely to be any time soon since life is kicking me around a bit.

And just for comparison, I did a rush for a friend last night. 20 seconds to reach lair level 3 - 10 to find the lair, 10 to get to Coldworm. Not bad, I'd say. And I don't run to the waypoint, either, I go there straight from act 1 after killing Andariel.

And, while I'm here, let me issue an apology - I realize my last post was a bit too strongly worded. Sorry about that one, Gorny.
 
MageChick said:
I totally disagree. Yes, I'm going to get on my soap box here. I've never had an item poof on me, ever. Yes there are lots of dupes out there, just avoid them. It's actually pretty easy.

Don't trade for HR's, or just about anything on open battle net. That's why we have the trading forums here. If you ask someone on our forums here, if they can personally vouch that they found the item them, you will generally get an honest response. If they say that they traded the item from someone else, thank them for their time and move on. It is possible to trade for anything you want and still be legit. This probably means you will never own a perfect anni, coa, etc, but the cost of being legit and never frearing a ruststorm is well worth it.

Unfortunately we will probably never be able to totally stop hacks/cheats/dupes etc, but anything blizzard can do to clean up the realm is a step forward. Blizzard can target me with a ruststorm everytime I log on or play - it doesn't affect me, except I may finally get a decent price for the stuff I'm finding on my own.

*exits soap box, goes back to rushing friends and hosting "i tele baal" games.

Look me up on US East if you need help - /w *jak3676
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I don't think you are actually disagreeing with his post, perhaps you interpreted it differently than I did. What he was trying to say was that using Ruststorm is only a temporary fix that will not stop dupes, only temporarily clean the realms. Also, it hurts lots of players that trade normally on the realms while it does nothing or may actually HELP the dupers. Let's examine an example:

Example: Player 1 gets lucky and finds a Jah rune. Naturally, he is excited. That's half way to an Enigma and being the legit player he is, that's a huge achievement. He then trades loads of his own self found, hard earned items for a Ber rune and makes Enigma. A week later, Rust Storm happens and it turns out the Ber rune was duped and the Enigma poofs along with his legit Jah.

End result:
- Player is screwed out of legit items and has wasted a good deal of time and effort.
- Dupers already have the money in their pockets from past dupe sales and now with all the poofing, plenty of people will be in a hurry to replace those poofed items and thus create more business for dupers.
- Players lose, dupers win.

Now don't get me wrong, Rust Storm is a great idea. It's not even a fraction as good as stopping the dupe process, which would be truly amazing but I digress. It's just being implemented in a slightly incorrect fashion. Since they run Rust Storm so infrequently, it's still worthwhile to purchase dupes as they generally will last at least a year. If Rust Storm was run on a monthly or even weekly basis, I think people would stop buying duped goods and even stop trading for them since it simply wouldn't be efficient to have to replace all of your gear every week.
 
I don't feel much sympathy for those who get banned. If you try to cheat and cut corners, you run the risk of loosing everything. I don't think those players are destined to burn in diablo hell, it's just a risk. I was banned a year ago for using maphack, right before 1.11. I learned my lesson, and I haven't used maphack since. You cheat, blizzard nails you. That simple.
 
Blizz does this every year. They deliberately leave flaws in the game so kids can create their MH’s / dupes. After a while they delete the cheaters and the addicts have to buy a new copy of LOD. This is what I wrote last year. History is the mother of science

They call this process business. :azn: To all XxXxXXxXx banned XxXXxXx :grin:
 
Razur said:
I don't feel much sympathy for those who get banned. If you try to cheat and cut corners, you run the risk of loosing everything. I don't think those players are destined to burn in diablo hell, it's just a risk. I was banned a year ago for using maphack, right before 1.11. I learned my lesson, and I haven't used maphack since. You cheat, blizzard nails you. That simple.
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I agree with this. I found it hilarious, I was attempting to trade for a shadow skill/28 life grand charm last night, and the guy kept on going on and on about how it'd be great if I could help him out, throw in this little thing to get him back on his feet, all he had left were these charms, etc, etc.

In the end, he got two low hotos, I got my charm, and he wasn't entirely happy about it. He didn't seem pleased by the fact that I refused to pay more to 'Help him out', and seemed to almost take offense at the fact that I told him outright that if he hadn't needed to hack, then he wouldn't be in that position, and that it wasn't my job to fix his mistake for him, at my expense.

What a crying shame that is... no, really. I'm glad I liberated this charm from his evil clutches. :flip:
 
vdzele said:
Blizz does this every year. They deliberately leave flaws in the game so kids can create their MH’s / dupes. After a while they delete the cheaters and the addicts have to buy a new copy of LOD. This is what I wrote last year. History is the mother of science

They call this process business. :azn: To all XxXxXXxXx banned XxXXxXx :grin:
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Deiliberately leave flaws? Are you a programmer with intimate knowledge of what it would take to fix these flaws that allow duping? Are you the Vice President in charge of assigning employees to profitable ventures within Blizzard?
 
Merick said:
Deiliberately leave flaws? Are you a programmer with intimate knowledge of what it would take to fix these flaws that allow duping? Are you the Vice President in charge of assigning employees to profitable ventures within Blizzard?
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Are you their PR to stand in front of them? What do you get in defending them? We are the people who have the right in accusing in everything we want since we think we got cheated in their “gameâ€. I have my standings that this is the truth and they as a company can defend themselves to prove that my accusations are false. Though from this point of time (after 6 years of launching d2) they won’t bother in doing such cause the circle is closed and their $ is pumping high no matter what.

Also as a vice president I would never reveal such a thing. I have to remind you that this not a Blizzard site and the rules on this site do not stop me in accusing Blizz in anything that I wish. If they have some proof that this is not the truth I would like to see their respond. And I mean thier.
 
vdzele said:
Are you their PR to stand in front of them? What do you get in defending them? We are the people who have the right in accusing in everything we want since we think we got cheated in their “gameâ€. I have my standings that this is the truth and they as a company can defend themselves to prove that my accusations are false. Though from this point of time (after 6 years of launching d2) they won’t bother in doing such cause the circle is closed and their $ is pumping high no matter what.

Also as a vice president I would never reveal such a thing. I have to remind you that this not a Blizzard site and the rules on this site do not stop me in accusing Blizz in anything that I wish. If they have some proof that this is not the truth I would like to see their respond. And I mean thier.
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You seem to forget that the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. If you want anything to happen, YOU need to provide proof that brings things into question. And not just conjecture, either - you THINK that they screwed you, but you're the one that chose to take part in activities that you specifically agreed not to take part in.

Things six years ago, from a programming standpoint, were very different than they are now. Programming has become much easier, and much more open to the mainstream. As a result, hacking, and the creation of exploits, is easier than ever - and to top it off, it's now using the full power of today's programming languages, while D2 is still running on techniques and languages designed years ago. The world of technology moves at a ridiculous pace, there's no way that Blizzard can keep up. Maybe they're taking advantage of the *cough* People who ignore their ToS *cough*, by mass banning and taking whatever proceeds they can get in the form of new CDkeys sold. Can you blame them? These people have run rampant over the bnet servers, tied up their resources, and in general caused as much damage to the game as they could, for their own benefit. The cost of a cdkey is a small price for them to pay, in comparison.

And yes, I'm a programmer. I'm typing this from inside a classroom in which I am learning to create video games. So this isn't just theorycrafting. I'd be the first to complain if I had proof that Blizzard was doing something I didn't like, but so far, I see nothing wrong with their actions, and nothing to prove that they would deliberately leave flaws in their code - that's bad business practice, as they'll be known for a cycle of hacks, cheats, bans, hacks, cheats, bans, etc.

As I mentioned before - The burden of proof is on YOU, not Blizzard. So please halt your ridiculous claims, until you can back them up.
 
Conspiracy theory or not, I'm glad Blizzard actually pulled this off. I don't need to intimately know the code behind D2, common sense dictates that when an application is overloaded, it's overloaded. Whether it's dupers, former Gmerc, or what have you, D2 performance on Bnet was abismal. It's much better now!

Personally, I love the hacks; From Hero Editor to ATMA, I use them all, but only on single player, NOT on Bnet. Just to have the option of getting a feel for what the end game equipment will do for a given character is beyond assigning a value to... Buying equipment from dupers, on the other hand, is ridiculous (IMO anyway).

One thing that gave huge nostalgic value is the old school Baal runs... Forget the bots, after 45 manual baal runs you'll reeeeally appreciate the level up... My fingers still ache!

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