23 Runeword Search Thread

Those are from the 1.10 beta I believe. They're somewhere on this site actually (dii.net) but I can never find anything here. They also list a bunch of the included runewords when 1.10 was released (BotD, Cresent Moon, Bramble, Call to Arms and others) of which only a few are absolutely correct, however most of them were at least very much similar. They also list stats for the runewords, but these were all completely changed from the info posted there.

eidt: missed page 12, I'm not crazy
 
i've been trying the cryptographic angle and haven't seen much yet. i've tried ascribing a letter of the alphabet to every rune and then wrapping back around with the first seven letters again...nothing fruitful. also tried to assign each rune a letter based upon the frequency of use that letter receives in the english language, so from most to least it goes:

e t a o i n s r h l d c u m f p g w y b v k x j q z

and then for the leftover seven runes i used the most common double letters found in english:

ss ee tt ff ll mm oo

and nothing fruitful. i tried adding the numbers of the runes in each runeword to see if any kind of numerological pattern emerged...i was hoping i'd see the number 4 for any runeword in a weapon, say, but that isn't so. i also tried examining the numerical difference between each rune...still no dice.

i'd love to believe that the moniker ROSE has some significance for the Bramble runeword...or that V(W)HEEZE for Breath of the Dying means something...but i can't reconcile KVPT to Heart of the Oak, or KKM to Sanctuary, or IEE to Malice, and so on. perhaps the Io/Ist/Ith types refer to different pronunciations of the vowel? or perhaps to a 2 letter sequence as opposed to simply the first letter of the rune?

if there is some association (like VOID for Exile), perhaps Water might point to SHIP...geglash's other fear? it could also point to such things as OCEAN, LAKE, RIVER, SEA, etc. Shael Hel Io Pul, perhaps? i hate shooting in the dark, but i could obtain all of those runes...and it would keep with the Shael is always used first idea...though it could just as easily be Sur or Sol i guess. thoughts?

edit: and ith or ist...and it only works if the old 1.07 recipe doesn't point to the runeword anymore. yeesh.
 
Farmer, Don't mean to make you feel left out. I know you've been doing random testing and I'd love to see the combos you've tried. I'm trying to track every single tested recipe so anything no matter how big nor small gets documented. And as far as contributing to the hunt, follow Wathombe's advice, either pick a theory and run with it. Or come to the obvious conclusion that we're all morons :scratch: and come up with an ingenious testing strategy :idea: so we don't continue wasting everyones time (Oh my god I used the smiley faces....)

As far as the Geglash clue, its quite possible the SH is for Shael. However as you have pointed out if it is an acronym there are too many expensive combinations (2 Guls a pop) for us to ever test this out.

It is quite interesting that Water is capitalized in the Arreat Summit reference. I've felt that many of these references have strange capitals. Maybe someone can check that out.
 
Runewords - random musings

I've got some off-the-cuff comments regarding runewords..

Bramble = ROSE (every rose has it's thorns)
Call to Arms = ARMIO (was ARMI in beta)
Famine = FOOJ (almost food)
Exile = VOID
Hand of Justice = SCAL (almost scale - the scales of justice)
Sanctuary = KKM = Ko Ko Mal = Kokomo (Beach Boy's song from the movie Cocktails soundtrack) a stretch, I know, but the first thought I had when I saw the runeword.
Breath of the Dying = VHEEZE (almost Wheeze)

In any event, I think we can have just as much luck trying 4-6 letter words as runewords. And, as pointed out earlier, some runes typically appear in the same location in different runewords.

In any event, I have a wild guess for a runeword, and will post the results one I try it - (5 rune runeword).

My point though, is lets try short, easy to spell words... They might work.

Ulciscor
USEast (as UIciscor)

P.S. If Shael + Eth = shield runeword and Eth + Lum = shield runeword, then maybe Shael + Lum = shield runeword? :scratch:
 
Ulciscor: maybe you can help me free associate the other runewords then? i think the words match up infrequently...unless we're to add vowels or consonents at our leisure, or read them like vanity license plates.

Beast = BTUML (BITE THEM ALL? is that too much of a stretch?)
Chaos = FOU (could be made FOUL very easily...and considering claws don't get 4 sockets...)
Chains of Honor = DUBI (DUBIOUS? though how that's related to anything chain-like or honor-ish, i don't know)
Crescent Moon = SUT (though i think someone posted it as originally ending with nef?)
Delirium = LII
Doom = HOULC
Enigma = JIB
Gloom = FUP
Heart of the Oak = KVPT (maybe KWPT, if we follow the BOTD logic?)
Kingslayer = MUGF
Passion = DOEL
Sanctuary = KKM (kokomo? really? why not read it like a license plate...kays-em...CHASM?)
Stone = SUPL (which oddly enough suggests supple...not exactly a stone like quality, so i don't see how it would follow from the VOID - Exile, or ROSE - Bramble examples)

and then there's the last four:
Prudence = MT (MT...a license plate reading would be EMPTY)
Splendor = EL
Duress = SUT (again...but the "old" reported word was Thul Hel Um THU)
Wind = SE

and of course, i haven't even gone into the 1.09 words:
Ancient's Pledge = ROT (almost makes sense)
Black = TIN (not that i associate tin with anything black)
Fury = JGE
Honor = AEITS
Holy Thunder = EROT
King's Grace = ART (again, almost makes sense)
Leaf = TR (perhaps a TREE kind of thing?)
Lionheart = HLF (i'd suggest HALF...but that doesn't really fit)
Lore = OS (os in latin is mouth...maybe...)
Malice = IEE
Melody = SKN
Memory = LISE (a perversion of LIES? an interesting view of memory, i guess)
Nadir = NT
Radiance = NSI
Rhyme = SE
Silence = DEHITV
Smoke = NL
Stealth = TE
Steel = TE (though maybe Tir and Tal suggest TI and TA...Thul maybe TH?)
Strength = AT
Venom = TDM (TEDIUM?)
Wealth = LKT (if only it ended with an E or I then LUCKY would seem to present itself)
White = DI (which could be a DIE kind of thing...but again doesn't really mesh with white)
Zephyr = OE

i love editing my posts right after i post them...makes me feel... :winner:
 
Just add my 2 cents:

I think there were many criteria involving runeword creation and not all of them were logical, grammatical etc., some must just have been practical.

As people pointed out there is the bramble, call to arms style of playing with words. But many others probably are not. RalOrtTal sounds like it was chosen because these runes sounded cool together.

The best bet is to focus on the trivia now, I believe. the answers shouldn't be too far-fetched.
 
Wow! Lots of great stuff in the past few hours, everybody. Thanks for the input.

Thanks for putting in all the tedious cryptographical work, especially correlating frequency of rune with frequency of English letter. That was a great theory, but no one had yet put out the effort to prove or disprove it.

Shaft, great thought about "sh" standing for Shael instead of Sol/Shael/Sur+Hel. Same could be said of "th" for Thul (or even Eth and Ith for final-consonant uses), although we may be ascribing way too much linguistic skill to the Blizzard team.

For my part, I went through the quiz questions and answers again for suggestive words and capitalizations, and here is what I found:

Round 1 (Baboon Demon) - No auspicious capitalized terms in either question or answer.

Round 2 (Blunderbore) - No unexpected capitalized terms in description. "Mauler," however, is one of the monsters in the category, which could suggest hammer as the item type.

Round 3 (Pandemonium Fortress) - A number of oddly and not-so-oddly capitalized terms in description: Heaven, Hell, Light, Gates, Burning, and Angel. As I have mentioned before, "Light" could suggest any of Daylight, Starlight, or Lightning off the 1.07 list. "Heaven," of course, could refer to Heaven's Will.

Round 3.5 (Hratli) - No auspicious capitalized terms in either question or answer.

Round 4 (Stained Glass Windows or An Evil Force) - Numerous capitalized terms in the text from which the answer was drawn: Lord, Terror, Stained, Glass, Windows, Mesas, and Hell. "Terror" could suggest the Terror runeword from the 1.07 list.

Round 5 (mage-clan or mages) - I cannot find a definitive passage of text from which this answer may or may not have been drawn from Arreat Summit.

Round 6 (Uileloscadh Mór) - The sentence which contains the answer in the Druid history section of Arreat Summit capitalizes the following words: Barbarians, Steppes, Mt. Arreat, Burning, Hells. Kenny capitalized both Man and Demon in his original question, although neither are capitalized in the source passage. None of these terms coincide with any inactive word from the 1.07 list. The Druid page containing the sentence, however, mentions nature many times (not surprisingly), and the recipe for Nature's Kingdom on the 1.07 list is UmEthUmRal--not terribly different than Uileloscadh Mór.

Round 7 (Drognan) - Drognan's description contains the following unnecessary capitals: Mage and Clan. Perhaps this clue could combine with Round 5 somehow.

Round 8 (Geglash) - As mentioned above, the word "Water" is oddly capitalized in Geglash's description.

Any other conclusions?
 
Nice work on the analysis, but I think we can make the runewords say whatever we want them to post-hoc. The only thing I can predict from the fact that a few words spell something is that there is one programmer at Blizzard that doesn't mind working over time to spell out hidden messages in his runewords while the other guys just want to get their work finished.

Also in regards to Chaos spelling out FOU. If you look at the beta 1.10 list there is a version of the runeword Sting that completely spells out FOUL (Fal Ohm Um Lum). The existance of chaos might make this less likely to work, especially when you add in the fact that it is listed to work in swords and KNIVES (max 3 sockets).

Anyway I don't know what to do with the Kenny clues the only hunches we seem to get are way too expensive for any of us to try out.
 
New path?

I may have something, maybe not.

Answer to round (6) of the quizz was ileloscadh Mór. First word 11 letters, second one 3 letters: Count the runes: AMN TIR, STRENGHT runeword...

8 was Drognan - 7 letters= TAl, 8 was Geglash - 7 letters, TAl again. TAL TAL runeword?

Probably not. But keep an eye on 9, just in case
 
Alright, here are fourteen more negative permutations that I've tried today:

EldNef
TirTir
EthEth
IthNef
IthEth
TalEl
TalTir
RalTir
ThulEth
ThulTal
AmnRal
SolEl
SolTir
HelIth

Hel is the highest I've found so far. I'm going on vacation for the weekend, but expect more next week. (Hopefully lots more.)

- Blue Streak
 
Well, I only got EldRal and EldIo today. I got a good stash or runes now - just not getting any 2 socketed armor tonight.
Dan
 
Shaft, you mentioned something about testing done on unmentionable websites and I was wondering if the tests and data from those are currently being included into the spreadsheet? And also what is the Geglash clue?
 
Dan: You can buy two-socket armor in Acts 1 and 2 on Normal. It's pretty cheap....just make sure that it's gray and not magical with the suffix "of Mechanics" which can add two sockets I believe.

Shaft: Where's the Excel version of your spreadsheet at? I'd like a copy. Sorry if there's a link farther up in the topic that I missed. We're slowly filling the gaps in the table keep it up.

And those working on the 1.07 list, keep cracking, the sooner we know if the new words are on the list or not, the sooner we'll know what we're up against.

- Blue Streak
 
Dan and Blue:

I assume all those combinations were tested in armors, yes? Thanks much. I'll be testing five or six later tonight and will post then.

Narr:

I'm pretty sure Shaft is monitoring the other site, as am I, but there really hasn't been much activity there in the past few days.
 
Hey

Tried:

RalTal
TirTal
EthIth
EthTir
NefEl

In armors, none worked

Also, with the lettering, I noticed that Io used to be called Po. Course, that leaves:

Black - T(h) P N
Memory - L P S E
White - D P
Delirium - L I P

Not catching Black and White, and delirium-lip confuses me. But, Memory does match with Lapse.
 
Sorry, cut last part by accident.

So, if a P could also be Io, perhaps for the Pandemonium Fortress it'd also be worthwhile/easier to try Io-Fal?
 
Zack,

If we had Pul Fal OR Io Fal, we'd test it, but we don't. :uhhuh:

I tested the following five in armors tonight (great tip on buying socketed armor in Act 1 and 2 Normal, btw, Blue):

DolEth
SolEth
RalIth
TalEld
OrtNef

None worked. I have screenies if anyone is interested.

Onward...
 
Hi

How many interesting ideas since last time. I am a bit confused at the moment, so nothing new I noticed.
I tested a few 2socket Bodyarmor combination

Shael Thul
Thul Eth
Thul Nef

And i tested Peril (Fal+Tir) in a sword

Nothing worked
 
Hi i occasionally read this thread, although i play singleplayer (i am just interested) and i read the "translations like: Bramble = Rose.

I saw: Doom = Houlc , maybe this could stand for Holocaust? :scratch: :idea:

Just my $0.02

EDIT: and another ID: i saw Farnhem mentioned in the trivia by KennyZ, maybe blizzard made runewords for items from diablo 1? or NPC's from the oldschool game?
 
Good call on buying armors - I didn't think of it. This morning I managed to try:
EldAmn
EldSol
TirThul
TirAmn
NefEth
NefIth
Nefthul
TalOrt
All negative of course. I haven't been saving screenshots...
If we are correct in our assumption that there will be no 'duplicate' runes in a 2 rune word, we have eliminated near 100 of the 256 possibilities lower than Io.
Dan
 
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