1.11 Release Notes

[happyfamine]

really dissapointed here too. if they wanted to say 'screw you SP players, live in the 21st century and game online' they should have announced that the major addition were realm only ahead of time and reset the ladder.

oh well.

so, moving on with what we did get... if my merc is wearing that new armor will he cast a valk of his own?

 

[jjscud]

Hmm, Nightfish pretty much said what I intended to. I don't think Blizzard owes me anything.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you or Nightfish. Blizzard doesn't owe us anything, but we don't owe Blizzard anything either. The problem isn't the past, D2 had been great, 1.10 is great and 1.11 appears to be better.

The problem is the future. Blizzard is sending a clear message that SP'ers belong in a dark, damp, bare walled caves while online players get castles. Blizzard's been great but if you want to play SP in the future, expect damp, dark caves from blizzard, not spacious palaces.

 

[Sophitia]

From what I read, the game crashes.

In b.net the game disconnects, dunno in SP, someone can check?

 

[Crudesash681]

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you or Nightfish. Blizzard doesn't owe us anything, but we don't owe Blizzard anything either. The problem isn't the past, D2 had been great, 1.10 is great and 1.11 appears to be better.

The problem is the future. Blizzard is sending a clear message that SP'ers belong in a dark, damp, bare walled caves while online players get castles. Blizzard's been great but if you want to play SP in the future, expect damp, dark caves from blizzard, not spacious palaces.

All too true, JJ. The path Blizz is taking is exactly what we expected when 1.10 came out; an emphasis on online play, most likely gearing D2 players for a MMORPG style D-3.

Yikes.

Steve

 

[Tarr]

Blizzard can rot in the hell(s) they created. I said wayyyy back around the release of 1.10 that they obviously didn't care about players who weren't playing on haxor.net, and I think it's pretty much proven.

I'd like to offer something more constructive to conversation here, but since I haven't patched and unless Blizz releases another quick one in the next week or so, or RTB and/or Thrugg post a good mod to mirror the realms in SP, I won't be patching. They fixed FE, great. Couldn't they fix the gloams? And even worse than the gloams, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume the poison vipers in halls of vaught are lethally bugged as ever.

 

[Cormallon]

After a night and a good amount of sleep, I'm still not really disappointed. We can go on with whatever we've been doing before with the exception of chars based on the 'synergy bug'. We got an official FE fix and at least some runewords. These perhaps aren't endgame stuff but I think they help mid-game, especially untwinked.

People who don't want to use mods now have the ability to stay vanilla and have at least some things fixed that others fixed with mods.

I think I'll switch to 1.11 as soon as the tourneys I'm currently in got either finished or accept the new patch, and we have an ATMA that doesn't crash on the new items. Perhaps ATMA could even convert stashes from 1.10 to 1.11 since the format of the item data seems unchanged.

 

[KrAzY3]

From what I read, the game crashes.

I can verify that the game crashes. You can see the wonderfull Valk sitting there frozen. Its rather frustrating. Yet another dissapointment.

I'm not so upset with this patch, as much as just dissapointed. What the SPers get, is a minor upgrade while people on battle.net get a whole new quest. Now, there's a whole stack of runewords, a couple of uniques and a would be "fun" quest that we're left without. And just when I thought there could be something cool, nope.. game crashes.

 

[Plutoxin]

jj,

I'm right with you as far as how the future looks. And it's not just D3, but a lot of games that are getting a little too online/multiplayer centered for me.

If I had to use a metaphor, I'd say Blizzard feeds both of it's kids (mp & sp) but spoils one a bit more than the other. They're not bad parents, they've actually given sp a nice home and food... they just buy mp more toys :lol:

Joe

 

[duranduran]

I think it's terribly misleading to call this marketing scam a "patch". It's a big hurrah to get everyone on b.net before they hit us with the big MMORPG Online-only D3 at Blizzcon. I agree that I've gotten far more than I've ever paid for in this game. Sadly, that doesn't change the fact that they've still chosen to give SP'ers the collective Finger and told us what we can go do with ourselves.

 

[Thrugg]

I think I'll switch to 1.11 as soon as the tourneys I'm currently in got either finished or accept the new patch, and we have an ATMA that doesn't crash on the new items. Perhaps ATMA could even convert stashes from 1.10 to 1.11 since the format of the item data seems unchanged.

There is not much to convert. The save file format is unchanged. To illustrate, I just made a new char in 1.11, copied it back to my 1.10 folder, opened it in 1.10 perfectly OK, copied it back to 1.11, opened it again (which simulatres "upgrading" a char), copied it back to 1.10, opened it again successfully.

So there is nothing stopping chars from swapping back and forth between the two, nor from Atma muling between the two. Atma will not recognise the keys (who cares) nor will it know the names of the new runewords (although this can be easiyl fixed by copying the new runes.txt into the ATMA_CONFIG\1.10 directory). The Doc may eventually patch Atma to do this for you but you are pretty OK to just use it as is in the meantime.

THis patch should definitely not have been called 1.11. It is 1.10c - the difference between it and 1.10 is barely more than between 1.09b and 1.09d. Something I have no doubt the software guys at Bliz tried to explain to the marketing guys, to no avail. "No", they would have replied, "we need a bigger number because it sounds cooler!"
That's the kind of retardedness that gave us Windows 3.1->95->2000.

Hey dd, I'm sure I've seen that 'tar before.

 

[Nightfish]

The problem is the future. Blizzard is sending a clear message that SP'ers belong in a dark, damp, bare walled caves while online players get castles. Blizzard's been great but if you want to play SP in the future, expect damp, dark caves from blizzard, not spacious palaces.

I think you're being overly dramatic. We'll deal with the future when it's here. And one thing you might want to keep in mind that blizzard needs to make money. They aren't doing this for charity any more than everybody else who's got to sell stuff. If they want to survive they need to focus on selling, and not just to a few but to many. I remember a lot of great games that focused on smaller crowds. Planescape Torment, Fallout 1 & 2, just to name a few. They were all comercially unsuccessful and the company that made them is out of buisness. Idealism doesn't pay any bills.

Let's say you were going to make a game, what would you rather do. Focus on MP and sell one copy to everyone playing B.net D2 or keep things balanced, selling one copy to everyone in SP but maybe 1% less to people on b.net? I don't really know how many of "us" there are but I'm almost sure that we don't matter buinesswise.

 

[duranduran]

Hey dd, I'm sure I've seen that 'tar before.

:lol: You have, have you? :thumbsup:

 

[DurfBarian]

Oh well... thanks a lot Durf!

Hey, at least you still know who to blame.

 

[Cattleya]

Let's say you were going to make a game, what would you rather do. Focus on MP and sell one copy to everyone playing B.net D2 or keep things balanced, selling one copy to everyone in SP but maybe 1% less to people on b.net? I don't really know how many of "us" there are but I'm almost sure that we don't matter buinesswise.

However, they don't lose any B.net audience by releasing the same patch to both groups. They just get two happy groups. (Well, okay, maybe not... there are some unhappy campers on B.net about the synergy bug fix. ) I really don't imagine it would have cost Blizzard all that much to release similar patches. They even did extra work (adding the server flag) to keep some of the runewords off SP. I'm not saying that they don't have a right to make those decisions, but I don't have to give them any more money.

 

[Nightfish]

However, they don't lose any B.net audience by releasing the same patch to both groups. They just get two happy groups. (Well, okay, maybe not... there are some unhappy campers on B.net about the synergy bug fix. ) I really don't imagine it would have cost Blizzard all that much to release similar patches. They even did extra work (adding the server flag) to keep some of the runewords off SP. I'm not saying that they don't have a right to make those decisions, but I don't have to give them any more money.

I wasn't talking about this patch but a new game.

 

[Thrugg]

Fishy, you're suffering from the same twisted value system that most people our age (brought up in the 80s) do - pure uncut greed as primary motivation is somehow OK. The hell it is.

Idealism doesn't pay any bills.

Idealism doesn't care about paying bills. Idealistic game companies make games because [drumroll] they like making games. Like the first 500 game companies did, until Atari or whoever came along and started making it an industry.

The day WoW hit the shelves Blizzard became the second highest money making computer gaming company in the world, behind the evil that is EA. They may even have passed them by now, I dunno. They can afford to run some PR things at a loss. Even soulless law firms do pro bono cases every now and then.

It's indicative of the way the world is going, and it pisses me off. And people have every right to be pissed off by it. If you want to lie back and let greed-driven corporations tell you what you want to buy, you go ahead, but don't tell us we're wrong for not wanting that.

 

[Cormallon]

There is not much to convert. The save file format is unchanged. To illustrate, I just made a new char in 1.11, copied it back to my 1.10 folder, opened it in 1.10 perfectly OK, copied it back to 1.11, opened it again (which simulatres "upgrading" a char), copied it back to 1.10, opened it again successfully.

So there is nothing stopping chars from swapping back and forth between the two, nor from Atma muling between the two.

That's what I mean... but usually ATMA prevents you from moving stuff between different versions. I suggest that this restriction is removed between 1.10 and 1.11 stashes (if we get an ATMA with a special version selection of 1.11).

 

[Thrugg]

Atma restricts you moving items between char files of different versions (items themselves have no real version, just a creation version, which does not prevent them moving forwards). Chars created in 1.11 have the same version number as chars created in 1.10, as do items spawned in 1.11. Atma can't tell the difference.

 

[Cattleya]

I wasn't talking about this patch but a new game.

Oops.

Well, I'm done venting. It's starting to feel pointless.

So, has anyone figured out if the Andy bug has been fixed? That was always my favorite bug to exploit. Do I have to start harassing Meph more?

 

[Nightfish]

Fishy, you're suffering from the same twisted value system that most people our age (brought up in the 80s) do - pure uncut greed as primary motivation is somehow OK. The hell it is.

Idealism doesn't care about paying bills. Idealistic game companies make games because [drumroll] they like making games. Like the first 500 game companies did, until Atari or whoever came along and started making it an industry.

The day WoW hit the shelves Blizzard became the second highest money making computer gaming company in the world, behind the evil that is EA. They may even have passed them by now, I dunno. They can afford to run some PR things at a loss. Even soulless law firms do pro bono cases every now and then.

It's indicative of the way the world is going, and it pisses me off. And people have every right to be pissed off by it. If you want to lie back and let greed-driven corporations tell you what you want to buy, you go ahead, but don't tell us we're wrong for not wanting that.

I didn't say I subscribe to that or agree with that. All I'm saying is that that's how I think the world works. And the fact that some of my favorite companies are out of buiness for making what I consider idealisitic games kinda supports that. I don't necessarily like it, but that's kinda how it works. Thanks for the lecture and the accusations, though.

You know what I'm doing? I'm trying to see the good side of things and not the bad. I got a great game and I'm still playing it after many years and I've got every reason to be satisfied with it. I don't give a rat's ass if people on b.net got another overpowered charm. It's not the end of the world.