1.09 Roll Call - Goals, Progress, Finds

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I don't know the drop mechanics so I can't tell you if ATMA is wrong or not, but I can tell you that there is no deviation from the 2 items + potions pattern no matter the player setting. I also note that the ATMA calculator appears to have some gaps, as I cannot find the sleeping skeletons in Pindle's court listed there.

An MFO is a Magic Find Olympics - basically a contest that assigns points to S/U drops based on rarity. There's one ongoing for 1.13 in which participants are given a certain amount of time to run specific targets. A 1.09 MF contest would have a distinctly different flavor, as there are very different drop patterns and item availablility/rarity.

Gratz on the eth Bane - that merits an Um rune! I have a tidy collection of Banes (many in use by mercs), but not a single eth version (nor have I ever found an eth Hone in 1.09 - but I did in 1.10a).
 
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Time as in count number of runs or a timeframe of lets say 28th of october to 10th of november? Anyways i remember from my previous 1.09 sorc i found like 1859819581 rare hydra bows on pindle(with approx 650 MF) and about the same amount of rare colossus blades i think i found a bul kathos colossus blade in the end i also noticed on ATMA that for god knows whatever reason baal who is mlvl 99 can't drop some items like stormspire/griswolds items
 
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Very nice! You are one lucky dude RobbyD... I would say that I could get interested in an MFO tourney if we're putting in X hours of time. It might take me a while to get all the time in if it's a high investment of time but I'll get there. I just may have to start rushing a zeal pally with sanctuary for some super pindle runs. Or just stick with my baba so I can hork... Ohh the choices. I'll try to keep up on the forums to see if there's one starting up.
 
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@Akisto: Thanks

@cheerupemokid10: Is it luck, or persistance. Keep in mind I've been playing over 2 years and this is my first Grandfather. If I were truly lucky, that would have been a Hydra Bow instead of a Colossus Blade (same drop chances), though the GF is certainly a nicer drop than, say, an Aldur's armor would have been.

A point of clarification - if you count sets, I'm still one sword short - I don't have a BKTG (though I do have 2 BKSC's).

On the MFO - would it make sense to rotate targets, or just make all the traditional MF targets options?
 
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Robby i don't think that GF and WF has the same chance of dropping, yes they do have the same TC but think about this. All the unique rings amulets hell even the set rings and amulets doesn't have the same chance of be rolled as a SOJ or Bulkathos or Maras
 
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Akisto - I'm going off of ATMA, which lists the exact same drop chances for Doombringer and Eaglehorn from Mephy, and the Grandfather and Windforce from Baal. Drop chance for jewelry has an extra element that items don't have as there are various choices once a ring/ammy has rolled unique. My understanding of the drop mechanics are (1) the item type is selected (so anything from the same TC group has the same odds, barring character-specific adjustments), then (2) the item quality (white/blue/yellow/etc.) is chosen. According to the wiki for 1.09 drop mechanics, a Champion Sword and Crusader Bow are both W78, with 3/19 chance of being chosen, so the item type odds are identical, and the magic find step makes no difference. Similarly, a Colossus Blade and Hydra Bow are both W87 with 1/6 odds - so once W87 has been chosen, there is a 1/6 chance for a CB and a 1/6 chance for Hydra Bow, then the Magic find mechanics rolls the quality.

So, by my understanding (and per ATMA), there is indeed an equal chance of a Grandfather and a Windforce.

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For the MFO, 1.09 targets can be separated into just a couple categories:

Countess (runes up to Vex)
Mephy (up to TC78)
Baal (only up to 87, but the waves can drop 90)
A5SUs (all items)
Cows (runes, up to 84, I think - I've gotten Trang's Visage from cows)

For me, running Baal and A5SUs together makes for much more entertaining MF runs, so I would suggest the following groupings:

Countess + Mephy
Baal + A5SUs (you don't have to run them all - any of the targets you want)
Cows

As far as points for drops, they would have to reflect 1.09 rarity, so the TC90s (BKTG, Stormspire, IKSC, Griswold's Honor, Valor, and Redemption) would have by far the highest points. I think the class specific and higher end exceptionals should factor into the total since drop rates are so much lower. Points would be based on ATMA drop chances.

What do you think, and what kind of running timeline makes sense?
 
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How rare are the trang-shield in 1.09 Robby? I remember people was saying back in time that the trang-shield was really rare. Like other set-items..
 
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The Trang shield is the Cantor Trophy... its actually pretty rare due to the item type, but a lot of monsters can drop it. I have maybe 6 of them. But the belt and helm are as rare as Tal's armor, I think. I only have 1 hat and no belt.
 
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Uhm not all Act5 Super Uniques can drop all items, Afaik Shenk can't drop stormspire according to ATMA neither can eldricht also cows can drop TC 87 however monsters that can drop TC87 and are not above mlvl 91 can't drop Cranium Basher due to it being qlvl 91 for some reason

I finally got my Ali baba from mephisto(took long enough :o)
So now im going countess farming for 2 ist runes ^_^
 
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Akisto: That's my understanding too - only Pindle, Frozenstein, Snapchip, Thresh Socket, Nilly, and the Wave Bosses can drop anything. But Shenk and them can still drop a lot.

Speaking of drops, Aleksandr horked up a GRAILER - not so useful, but very pretty.
 
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thats the rarest item i found in 1.09 unless you count that i found an arkaines back on b.net doing cows(not that it was me picking it up but i saw unique balrog skin) :P. Either that or Eaglehorn back on my old sorc anyway in 1.13 b.net i think the only 2 items i didn't find was cham zod and Tyriels/Templar's Might

Robby do you have any GRAIL Excel template or something? so i know which uniques i haven't found(i export all uniques into d2i files in a advanced foldersystem for each unique/setitem and export more of the same item if it would be an item i would use on more characters like SoJ and Maras for example?

[highlight]Using the same item on more than one character at once is duping. It is not accepted here. Thyiad[/highlight]
 
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There's a 1.09 Flavie that ioupainmax put together... It's linked in one of his public posts to my profile page. I guess I need to update my Flavie for these recent finds.
 
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Back to Countess Ist rune farming..... do you happen to have any counter of how many kills/runs you do?
 
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@Akisto - I never used anything like that, but I think some run counters exist and are accepted - check the FAQ sticky.

*********UPDATE**********

OK - so why have I been running Nilly with Aleksandr? Well, ever since I saw the sweet, sweet Pestilent SC of Inertia WoRG gifted to Nulio, I wanted me a Pestilent SC. WoRG explained to me (I'm still learning this game after 2+ years of playing steadily) that the affix formula for SCs isn't straightforward, and you actually need a level 94+ SC to roll the top end affixes (Baal drops 95, Nilly drops 98). My first SC from Baal rolled a pretty darn nice Shocking (1-63) of the Icicle, but it has an unreasonable level req of 92. I kept it for my Zon, and finally Nilly dropped what I was running him for - a Small Charm. So I loaded up on PGems and rolled that puppy, past some Red and another Shocking affix, and rolled my first ever Pestilent - a Pestilent Small Charm of Venom!!!!! Woot! And hey, I even grabbed a Grandfather and an Aldur's Deception in the process!
 
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Tbh i couldn't care less what is what is not accepted as a part of this single player community i'm using [highlight] ** hacks removed ** [/highlight] for 1.09 and [highlight] ** more hacks removed ** [/highlight] for 1.09 it doesn't benefit me much over any other player other than i get full light radius i can change colors of whatever items i wishfor(like runes charms and jewels) and i can identify items at any NPC rather than having to run to cain everytime. It also shows me what immunities, special abilities monsters has on the map as well as showing the amount of sockets an item have and wether its Ethreal or not :)

[highlight]You have recieved a two day temp ban for pimping hacks on this forum. You may not MP or trade here. This includes the MFO. Any attempt to do either or a repeat of a post like the one above will result in a perma ban. Thyiad[/highlight]
 
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I have to say, to me, one of the allures of playing 1.09 is a simpler, more straightforward game, so I don't see the purpose of using hacks. If you want the fancy bells and whistles, the later patches provide plenty of those.
 
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Well on that note... Robby are you still interested in doing some kind of 1.09 MFO? Akisto may be out but it would give me a reason to finish up some of my characters that have been sitting around not getting leveled or played. How were you thinking of running it? Specific target(s) over X days?
 
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Yeah, I'm still up for it, but I've never really participated in an MFO and we need to come up with 1.09 appropriate scoring.

Do you have a preference on targets v time window?
 
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