1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

[RobbyD]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

This is my 7th character in 1.09, including 2 MF chars. I have lots of gear (8 or more Bartuc's) and a trade profile.

Anyway, I have figured out how to get pre-Anya Hell resists > 70 with a Blender build (assuming Black + Iceblink + G-Face + Goblin Toe):

2x pD in Moser's (63)
14Res@ jewel in the G-Face (14)
Scintillating Ring of the Leech (15) <----- Blue ring for the style! (RF or BKWB on the other hand)
Ammy: 46/19/19/19, +10Str, 6% Mana leech, +2 Shadow skills
Rare jewel in Iceblink: 12/5/5/5 (+9 max dmg too)
2x Shimmering SCs: 8/8/8/8
Amber GC (29)
Emerald GC (27)

This allows plenty of room for Entrapping skillers and maybe some vita/balance/inertia charms.

So, Envy jewels in that Claw (and envy jewels in the Merc bow) to pwn the early game - I also plan Death Gloves + Sash and Angelic Ammy + armor + 2x rings, adding Sigon's Boots + Hat + Shield. I might try that Amp Damage claw when it becomes available. This on P8 should allow her to get significantly ahead of the monsters in level so that by level 30, she can blend away. Strength + Goblin toes will have to provide CB until level 35, when Black (in a Knout) and G-Face can be donned. I might sport the full Orphan's set in NM if the resists aren't too low.

I plan on dual Bartuc's on switch for PS needs for NM. I might put a point or 2 in WB for this switch.

I will probably use Tiger Strike early on, and will plan on a pumped SM.

 

[Eric Xanthu]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

I'm still getting together a new stash of gear and planning. The only thing I'm sure of is Black scourge and SS. Everything else is up in the air, including weapon switches to get PS going.

 

[RobbyD]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

Well, I went ahead and created Osterizer last night, popped 2 jewels of envy in a 2os Katar, and proceeded to pwn the early game. I was planning on upgrading her weapon, but she been devastating the game with that envy katar just fine. She's level 15, so I really should upgrade her weapon before starting tonight.

Death gloves + belt, Angelic rings + armor + ammy, and Sigons boots + shield + helm are just as powerful a twinking combo as I remember - my least favorite part is the Sigon's though - I may tinker around with other options tonight.

I used that Short Bow with 3 jewels of envy for the first level, and then I put it in the Merc's hands when Pelta Lunata became available - I'm paying attention to damage from that bow, and it appears that (a) the poison length is considerably longer than 2 seconds, and (b) total poison damage is significantly higher than from an envy melee weapon. SO, it seems like that 1.07 style poison stacking does indeed seem to apply to bows in 1.09, even though the LCS doesn't reflect that. I'll try to do a side by side against a melee weapon tonight. Makes me think about some of those 6os bows I have in my ATMA stash - I'll not likely make more than one Silence bow, so I'm thinking about a 6pEmerald bow just to try it out.

The play style is, frankly, refreshing after the necro. A speedy, high damage frenzy-style attack (benefitting from the Death set) with the bonus of a BIG finishing hit (using Tiger Strike) is a lot of fun, but the TS charges so fast, I miss a lot of opportunities to land it. I haven't changed weapons because she's just destroying the game so bad with just that envy katar with Claw Mastery and the TS bonus.

Right now I'm just populating prereqs (and there are a lot of them, it seems) for the skills I plan to use - Blade Shield, Shadow Master, Phoenix Strike. Other than PS and SM, I'm not sure what I plan to pump.

 

[snooker]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

Thx for the updates guys.

Robby i have read your timetravel posts etc so i know you have the gear and more .

Since you have schaeffers that could be an idea aswell since it says that static works through blade shield i think..I am realllllllly envious of that schaeffers btw. I have never found one (not windforce either) after i dunno gazillions years of playing ..

I didnt play so much more last night, She is lvl24 and using bonesnap and 1 point in Bos and base vit . Not died once and tanked duriels behind on 8 players..

As for my plans well i think for primary switch Scourge black,SS,Guillames,Boots any of the two with crushing blow and then iceblink. Switch i will look at later..

Good writeup of the resist gear btw robby

gl and ill update when i have played her some more..

 

[RobbyD]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

@ Eric Xanthu - you really consider Stormshield that beneficial to this build over Moser's? What would you say to a Rhyme Heater or Hyperion?

@ Snooker - My point about bragging about my gear (other than gloating :smug was to point out that I can probably help out if you need a specific item *cough* Bartuc's *cough* (not giving up the Schaefer's, though ... If you want to see it in action, look me up in the 1.09 Hamachi group - we can do cows).

Since I've had a chance to get into a Sin a little bit, I can definitely see a dual Bartuc's PS with a "Black" Blender switch approach being doable.

Are you plannig on pumping Blade Shield for the duration?

*****edit******

oooo - evil post count!

 

[snooker]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

Ah i see ty m8 for the offer. But i want to find the bartucs. I feel that only through hard work find the stuff i need to be much more enjoyable. I did find it before in 1.09 but alas all the gear was upgraded to 1.10 and now 1.13. Btw i only ever run singleplayer. Never even tried MP with diablo..

I have been very lucky though that in a short time find SS,Harlequins,SOJ (my seconde ever!!!) etc in my time travveling to 1.09..

And i always have good old 1.07 that i have grinded forever so i have 1.07 arkains and all of those cheeses to lean back on :whistling:.

Btw i shopped a claw with 499 poison damage yesterday (lvl 37 req.) .Maybe ill try that aswell.

Regarding the duration yeah ill probably pump it aswell..Think ill pump gradually so not to "waste points"

Btw are you both planning the Blessed aim merc aswell?. I am using it at the moment anyho

"oooo - evil post count!" hehe

 

[snooker]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

I looked through my 1.07 chars and found a bartucs :thumbup:..Looks very similar statwise to the 1.09 one hihi. Fun part was that Atma said it was called Bartucs Chop chop (how can i not try it now???). When moved over to 1.09 it was renamed though ..

found some very nice gloves aswell in 1.07 stashes (20 speed,23mf,2martial arts,26 lightning res)..

 

[RobbyD]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

Ah i see ty m8 for the offer. But i want to find the bartucs. I feel that only through hard work find the stuff i need to be much more enjoyable. I did find it before in 1.09 but alas all the gear was upgraded to 1.10 and now 1.13. Btw i only ever run singleplayer. Never even tried MP with diablo..

I have been very lucky though that in a short time find SS,Harlequins,SOJ (my seconde ever!!!) etc in my time travveling to 1.09..

And i always have good old 1.07 that i have grinded forever so i have 1.07 arkains and all of those cheeses to lean back on :whistling:.

Btw i shopped a claw with 499 poison damage yesterday (lvl 37 req.) .Maybe ill try that aswell.

Regarding the duration yeah ill probably pump it aswell..Think ill pump gradually so not to "waste points"

Btw are you both planning the Blessed aim merc aswell?. I am using it at the moment anyho

"oooo - evil post count!" hehe

I understand about finding the stuff to use - that's pretty much been my experience since nobody's really trading 1.09 stuff. That being said... SS, Shako, AND SoJ before a single Bartuc's has fallen????? That sounds like my quest for Baranar's Star for my original Barb - Mephy dropped a freaking Doombringer before he ever dropped that BStar. And now I've netted 3xSoJ, Mara's, 3x Highlord's, BKWB, 2x Doombringer, 3x Stormshield, 3x Shako, Schaefer's, Tal Rasha's Guardianship, Trang Oul's Guise, 2x Naj's Light Plate (full Naj's, actually), Taebek's Glory (full Heaven's Brethren, actually), and a freaking Griswold's Valor without a single Gore Rider dropping, so I can relate.

Oh, that poison claw looks SEXY - I'd take that for a spin - maybe something to use with Vemon? On a related note, I found a 6os Long Battle Bow in my inventory, so since I'm intrigued by the bow poison stacking in 1.09, I'm thinking of packing that with Emeralds to see how the Rouge merc does with it.

I haven't really decided on a Merc - if I go claws as main PS attack, I won't have that AR bug to contend with and will probably go HF for the crowd control. I think BA is pretty much the only option if you are going to use that Black Scourge as your main attack as well. Heck, for a Blender, maybe a cold Iron Wolf is the way to go to help with freezing monsters.

Ummm... you have 1.07 Arkain's? Hmmm - maybe I need to stick my nose into a little 1.07 as well - I've thought of something like my MMAN build or a more classic MBAN using a Barb merc and Fire Golem to take advantage of the 100% effectiveness of Amp on PIs - what do you think? Is it true that IM from 1.07 OKs doesn't affect mercs?

*sigh* there goes my evil post count.

******EDIT******

Congrats on the Chop-Chops - I would LOVE if it kept that name... but I think the stats are quite different - 1.09 version is like this:

Bartuc's Cut-Throat
Greater Talons
One-Hand Damage: 89 to 154
Durability: 67 of 69
(Assassin Only)
Required Dexterity: 79
Required Strength: 79
Required Level: 42
Claw Class - Very Fast Attack Speed
Item Version: Expansion
Item Level: 90
Fingerprint: 0x82d3ca8b
+20 to Strength
+20 to Dexterity
+191% Enhanced Damage
+25 to Minimum Damage
+50 to Maximum Damage
7% Life stolen per hit
30% Faster Hit Recovery
20% Bonus to Attack Rating
+2 to Assassin Skill Levels
+1  to Martial Art Skills (Assassin Only)

Sweet, SWEET gloves you got there, BTW. Here's my best:

Death Hand
Chain Gloves
Defense: 12
Durability: 13 of 16
Required Strength: 25
Required Level: 35
Item Version: Expansion
Item Level: 93
Fingerprint: 0x3701288f
+4 to Strength
+17% Enhanced Defense
Poison Resist +13%
20% Increased Attack Speed
Half Freeze Duration
+2  to Martial Art Skills (Assassin Only)

On another topic, if you have never MP'd, why not give it a try? Let me know if you would like me to talk you through it.

 

[snooker]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

I understand about finding the stuff to use - that's pretty much been my experience since nobody's really trading 1.09 stuff. That being said... SS, Shako, AND SoJ before a single Bartuc's has fallen????? That sounds like my quest for Baranar's Star for my original Barb - Mephy dropped a freaking Doombringer before he ever dropped that BStar. And now I've netted 3xSoJ, Mara's, 3x Highlord's, BKWB, 2x Doombringer, 3x Stormshield, 3x Shako, Schaefer's, Tal Rasha's Guardianship, Trang Oul's Guise, 2x Naj's Light Plate (full Naj's, actually), Taebek's Glory (full Heaven's Brethren, actually), and a freaking Griswold's Valor without a single Gore Rider dropping, so I can relate.

Oh, that poison claw looks SEXY - I'd take that for a spin - maybe something to use with Vemon? On a related note, I found a 6os Long Battle Bow in my inventory, so since I'm intrigued by the bow poison stacking in 1.09, I'm thinking of packing that with Emeralds to see how the Rouge merc does with it.

I haven't really decided on a Merc - if I go claws as main PS attack, I won't have that AR bug to contend with and will probably go HF for the crowd control. I think BA is pretty much the only option if you are going to use that Black Scourge as your main attack as well. Heck, for a Blender, maybe a cold Iron Wolf is the way to go to help with freezing monsters.

Ummm... you have 1.07 Arkain's? Hmmm - maybe I need to stick my nose into a little 1.07 as well - I've thought of something like my MMAN build or a more classic MBAN using a Barb merc and Fire Golem to take advantage of the 100% effectiveness of Amp on PIs - what do you think? Is it true that IM from 1.07 OKs doesn't affect mercs?

*sigh* there goes my evil post count.

Wow all that before gore riders. I feel your pain. I got a pair that i plan to use instead of gore foot most likely. Ds can never be wrong (when using black)...

Yeah i cant believe my luck. Basically had all gear very fast and was looking to find occy and boom on the second Meph run :whistling:. Found the Soj in cows nightmare..I had perfect maras and basically all good 1.09 stuff in the past before i upgraded it all to 1.10..

Regarding the poison claw. I found another aswell. The one with 499 poison is over 10 seconds and the other with 275 is over 6 seconds (both lvl37 req).

Cant help regarding Necro in 1.07. Hell i even started my first ever in 1.13 not long ago . It was a while ago since i played it and dont remember about IM either sry.

I can say one thing though is that i looooooooove 1.07. Man all that cool stuff to find. I have been very lucky and racked basically everything apart from Grandfather, Uniq grim helm. The bartucs was a "open the map rack" ...Got two Wizard spikes (95 all res) and two Harlequins (40% life)..

And one of the nicest things is that you can get lucky only by "opening" the Lk map. I got ETH skullders by doing that. That armor has all perfect stats (250Ed). I upgraded it in 1.13 recently and it got 2300 def...Btw Bartucs was also accident rack .

And the charms .Dont start me on those. I have found my precious perfect 40 max damage there (getting abit misty eyed here hehe) and more with 29 max and Ar etc etc. I looove 1.07 cheese .....

 

[baqarah]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

I read your post with interest as I plan to mf some 1.07 stuff (currently leveling my sorc and doing some racking) and then move on to 1.09.

@OK's IM
My merc dies second after hes cursed.

 

[snooker]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

Baqarah

I remember i gave you some links to start off with. let me know if you have more questions and ill try and help. You can post them here unless Robby objects..

Regards

 

[snooker]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

Robby hmmm yeah you are right..It is the 1.07, 1.08 version. I had one befoer. Here is the stats (attack speed yum)!. I think its a bette trap claw than the 1.09 one.

Here is some pics of the bartucs and glove + another decent claw from 1.07. And couldnt resist in giving you some incentive for 1.07

 

[baqarah]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

@snooker
I've pretty much read everything about 1.07 on this site, but thanks .
I'm generally interested in time travelling (I am soooo bored with 1.13!) so I lurk everwhere and when I have an opportunity I learn about other versions. Right now I'm pretty much stuck at 1.07 collecting all the usefull low level set items and uniques.

BTW - OMG! the items. Arkaine's - 200 vita? WOW. Just wow. +40 max? I myself found few cool charms (some +10 lc, +6 sc, +18 gc) but +40 is just O_O I knew all this really exist, but I've never seen ss. Gratz!

 

[snooker]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

baqarah:

Ah ok cool ..Yeah the items are there but ofcourse its not raining down . Dont know the odds of that 40max drop. Think i got it from an lk chest.

Yeah the arkaines is so lovely. Imagine a great jewel in it :yes:. Will rival alot of the best runewords imo. I really wanna try an mucho vit build somewhere with the arkaines and harle. Without a good investment the 40% from harle doesnt do alot (then i like the later versions better.)

A wish you best of luck with the racking and charmhunting and dont forget to shop for the awesome blues aswell!!! . 4soc cruel Gt of quickness, Godly armors with resist only one socket quest away from 4 sockets etc etc...

 

[snooker]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

Ok had my first experience with Blade shield and ice blink . With bone snap (range1) i froze quite alot and it really helped in CS (still no death running players 8 phew through cs phew..)..Duration at lvl1 is not impressive hehe..But + to skills might be enough we will see. I will leave at 1 for the time being..

Anyway it looks promising with the freeze no doubt.. Ill level abit more so more crushing blow gear can be equipped and update with progress.

 

[Eric Xanthu]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

I guess I shouldn't have said SS is a lock, but I'm going to build for it and it's my first choice for now. I'll definitely be taking a look at other shields along the way.

You guys inspired me to dig for my old 1.09 stashes. I found them...and somehow in the 100s of items I don't have Goblin Toe or Guillaumes. :\

So a little more Meph before we get started. I do have a good bit of stuff for getting her off the ground though, so I might dabble with her while I'm MFing.

 

[RobbyD]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

I made my 6 pEmerald bow, levelled my Sin to 18 so she could use it, and can confirm that the poison damage and duration is ridiculous. Anything I shot turned green until it died - I can't even tell you the length of the poison duration because no monster survived long enough for the effect to run its course. Even so, I think I can confirm that in 1.09, that weird 1.07 poison stacking still works on bows. Once my Rogue merc is level 18, I'll put it in her hands. As an aside, a Fire Rogue > a Cold Rogue - that fire arrow she uses is bugged just like the Zon's Fire Arrow - I confirmed this with my Druid, who ran to Pat with a +3 skills lightning hose fire Merc (actually, the original Normal Blood Raven Quest merc) that decimated PIs with both of her attacks.

When not using that bow, TS with a point in CM just mows down the bad guys. What I noticed is that even though the wiki says claws are range 1, they appear to have range 2, at least in 1.09. She was reaching over gaps to tap the baddies. If that's the case, I might indeed compare and contrast a Strength claw versus a "Black" Knout for the Blender phase (and the Stregnth claw will be available as soon as she gets the Blade Shield skill - it's required level 25, I believe).

So far, it's been Easy Peasy. Hopefully that trend continues.

 

[snooker]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

Hi all.

Just beat baal.

Dont know what to make of this build just yet. Its making short work of stuff in normal anyway..I havent used any phoenix strike etc yet as i am so low on mana and normal attack works just fine atm..

I am currently using
toes
black
guillames
string
ice blink

Havent put any points into blade shield but will soon. The durations is definately to short.

Anywho gonna try the cows now ..

Ps i think SS is definately a nice thing to have for this build.

 

[snooker]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

Ok update on my first cow run.

Shatter galore ..I was level 42 (think they are lower)..And they die fast..

Few things to note.
1.Using dual claws (1.07 bartucs and poison) the range seems lower that using the black knout and blade shield.. Its dangeorous to run out of blade shield in the middle of 20 angry blue cows:whistling:

2.There is also some sort of bug with townportal (maybe because of bladeshield). The animation of casting the townportal appears but nu portal. ont the third attempt it shows up so beware of that.

3. Repairs are frequently needed (for the black knout). But managable

And a battle pic

 

[RobbyD]

Re: 1.09 Assassin Planning Questions/Build Proposal

Nice pic!

Anyway, I guess I should go ahead and plan on a SS since a have a couple, though I think that precludes a dual claw weapon switch since the resists would drop so much. I've even managed to work out 75/75/84/59 pre-Hell Anya resists (thanks to plenty of resist charms).

So here's the planned gear layout:

Helm: G Face (14Res@ jewel)
Ammy: +2 Shadow, 41/19/19/19, mana leech, etc
Armor: Iceblink (14Res@ jewel)
Weapon 1: "Black" Knout (Scourge when available)
Shield 1: Stormshield (pDiamond) (19/79/44/19)
Weapon 2: Bartuc's Cutthroat
Shield 2: "Rhyme" Hyperion (or the other Stormshield?)
Ring 1: BKWB (or RF - don't need Rhyme if I have a RF on)
Ring 2: Scintilllating Ring of the Leech (15/15/15/15)
Belt: Thundergod's Vigor (makes MSLE your best friend)
Gloves: Rare with +2 MA skills, 20% IAS, 0/0/0/13
Boots: Goblin Toe

Charms:
2x Entrapping GC
1x Mentalist GC
2x Shimmering SC
Ruby SC + GC
2x Amber SC + GC
Emerald SC + GC
Sharp LC of Quality (+8 max damage, +35 AR)

...so that, with the Cube and a Tome of TP, leaves 2 open columns in the inventory. I'm thinking a mix of Inertias and Balances (though how much over the 30% FHR from G Face do I need) - any other ideas?

Merc will likely sport "Smoke" in some eth elite armor, Blackhorn's Face (Vamp's Gaze for cows), and Hone Sundan (AmnAmnShael).