I am a bit puzzled by the votes on logout as well. Just because a listener being revealed is now useless we want to lynch him BECAUSE of this? Some of the votes have been of this nature which is bizarre. If you believe logout to be the listener you'd be voting for franklin because he has a chance to be anti-town does he not?
I think this is only the case if thefranklin and myself are the only ones on the chopping block. But we can't think of this as "logo VS frank" because we are only 1 man down. There are still loads of other people.
Some more questions that I would like to have answered.
Why did thefranklin never claim anything?
Why did nobody ask thefranklin about his name and role yet? I do so now. @ thefranklin, what is your name and what is your role named?
Why did logoutzero didn't claim his name or role name? I ask what it is now. @ logoutzero, what is your role and what is your role named?
Why didn't anyone ask for it before?
I still want my previous question answered.
My role is "Lead Sludge Maker" and my name is "Hitly Adolf"
It's not that you wrecked the role, more that it's easily countered now that you've outed yourself.
The first thing I do as mafia when I even so much as suspect a listener, let alone know one exists, if set up a two or three part code so my messages are obfuscated. I'll refer to people by numbers, for example, or just post a bunch of misdirection.
Don't you think it's also advantageous to the town to have an exposed listener? Anyone with the ability to counter a listener
should potentially be focused on me. Meaning, if they have other powers, they aren't being used. Also, if Town happens to have more than 1 listener, they can focus and get some potentially great reads, because ideally, scum should be focused on me.
Also, knowing that a listener is in the game, means that if the mafia weren't concerned with hiding their true meanings before, they should be now. Every little edge against the mafia helps, right?
I'm not voting for Logout because he's a listener, I'm voting for him because I suspect he's scum making a play against thefranklin. It's just that if I'm wrong and Logout is truthful then the damage is minimized.
I can totally respect this. I could drop to my knees and plead for my life to be spared, but, if I am lynched, and town, then you've only lost an exposed listener. If thefranklin is lynched, he could potentially have a much greater role for the town. This assumes however that thefranklin is town. Just because the post doesn't make sense, it doesn't exclude him from being scum.
Though, Moar's questions did make me think of something I do want to know.
Logout: Would you be willing to tell us what team you're on?
Yes, I would be willing to.
Why are you convinced that he actually is a listener and that we should believe his claim?
If you believe his claim, what do we do with the information he has given us? What conclusions do you come to from the quote he gave us, if you believe he's a listener and that was an actual post made by a mafia member?
I'm going to call cop out here. I think you could give us several reasonable explanations for either way here.
Why are you concinced that I am actually not a listener?:
I don't think logoutzero is actually the listener. Lynching thefranklin wouldn't tell us because the quote that logoutzero posted seems to be a very unlikely thing for one scum to be saying to the others unless it was an intentionally obfuscation in case of listener, in which case it's very likely they are not using each other's names when talking to each other. It could be a simple substitution or a shift up or down a list that they posted or any number of things so that THEY understand what's being said but that we cannot possibly understand it.
The actual chances of thefranklin being scum seem low given the supposed quote, and his reaction to the situation feels very townie.
Logoutzero, on the other hand, has been all over the place today to the point where I'm not even sure we should take his listener claim at face value. I think people saying that he's no longer valuable as a listener are probably referring to the worst case if we lynch him and he was telling the truth.
That's the question though. Is Logoutzero actually a listener? He's been so all over the place it's hard to say[SUP]1[/SUP]. If we believe he's the listener, then the question is whether we think the post is legitimately one scum outing the name of another scum or if the post is obfuscated by a scum team wary of a listener and thus going after thefranklin would result in lynching a townie.
[SUP]1[/SUP]You give 1 reason, and its shoddy, at best. I haven't been all over the place. I only claimed, and continue to claim, this and this only:
I got a random post that says that thefranklin will kill certain members. I don't think it's true, I don't even know if he's scum or not. I never claimed that he said it, nothing. I only came forward with information that I was given. How is that "all over the place?"
Are those 6 peoples votes removed, or not?
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