Ender's Mafia Game

As for a scum list:

1) FOE - has to be a liar
2) Val - vanilla claim, hopped off the train yesterday at first chance.
3) zemaj - comes out saying "look at me, I'm a bomb, FOE is wrong" a day late after 3 other roles claim to put FOE away.
Alternates:
1) Gory - 2 town vigs in one game? On the other hand, he played this out almost exactly like he did when he had a day vig before.
2) Leo/Thyiad/Noodle/flubb/laarz/coju - hard core lurking, bet we probably find at least one mafia among these.
 
Valhauros said:
If he's a bomb, he's taking me with him.

Vote: FredofErik
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Prepare yourself for a true bomb....

I'm not a bomb

Yes, my claim was total BS and I'm hugely impressed with you guys not lynching me yesterday! I thought for sure that I was coming into the game just to be locked, so I tried to create a bit of WIFOM - I apparently suceeded. Surviving, PRs outing themselves, vigs going crazy.. At least it was fun while it lasted!

Zokar :(

Will probably follow up with more BS later, but right now I gotta MP with pharphynub and SI..
 
@FoE - The bomb threat was really what made your story suspect. If you had left that out, the rest of it would have been believed until Sathoris stepped up and took credit for the kill you said your partner had taken out. I was basically out already between my hounding of Jason and my vouching for Sath.

If only Gory had believed me :(
 
Wow. I can't believe Zokar was banned. This game's crazy!

The amount of lurking this game is massive, I also think there's a high chance of a mafioso lurking there.
I'm still not sure what to think of Goryani. Haven't really seen any vigs in the games I've played so far, and definitely not a day vig. That took me by surprise.
To me, Val seems to be the scummiest player at the moment other than FoE.
 
Jason, you are failing me so hard right now....if the mafia haven't figured it out by your multitude of posts about it yet, then they have to be as dense as a rock so I might as well come out with it already.

Jason Maher said:
An interesting table:

*snip*

Why is it interesting? Because one of the scum apologised to his/her/its buddies for not being present at the end of day 2 in order to sway the voting. This confirms FoE as 100% scum, which in turn casts serious doubt on Goryani. Whoever it is, they mentioned the only way they would have succeeded in swaying the voting is with a false Vigilante claim (I don't follow their thinking, but that's what they said). This scum also cursed in a way very reminiscent (eerily so) of Pyro a few posts above.

The rest was stating they need to get rid of someone (me, presumably, in which case Goryani may be just an idiot and not scum), and that they need to protect someone else, at the cost of stopping them from using his ability (dunno how that would work, but it's very clear that protection = no ability).

Personally, due to the foul-mouthed mimicry of what I heard overnight, and the absence from the thread for the 24 hours leading up to the lynch, I believe Pyro is scum. However, he can wait for tomorrow, as can Goryani. Today,

Unvote: Goryani

Vote: FredOfErik

Let's get things rolling for the town.
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The foul mouth language was on purpose, it was supposed to connect you to the fact that the post you received last night was mine, without informing the rest of the thread. It was obvious from your first posts this day phase which post you received so I was trying to help you connect the dots. If I didn't want you to know it was me I wouldn't have used those exact words. I see that worked out real well though. I was apologizing to Sath because I was not there for the last half of the day phase because we both knew for a 100% fact as soon as Fred made that post that he was lying through his teeth, and that we needed to get rid of him, and protect you. I thought that maybe if two people had been there saying "hey! This guy is lying!" then the day would not have resulted in a mislynch, and we wouldn't have had to use our lynch today on him.

zemaj said:
I'm starting to wonder if you're not getting cross-chatter between a cult & scum... the part about one person needing protecting over the use of an ability seems likely to be a recruiter being shielded for later use. This also aligns with theories of multiple anti-town elements.

in any event, I fully agree with a more consolidated effort to secure a lynch since it seems to be the only way we are going to get any first-hand info.
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It is not cross chatter, both of those lines are from me, and from the same post.

Goryani said:
That's what I did here. A mountain of evidence was growing and I made the decision early in the day (less than 24 hours into the day).
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Yeah, except the evidence was not against the person you used your ability on. Day use or not, your vig kill is beyond scummy.

Goryani said:
That's actually a decent reason. Sathoris was Peter Wiggin. 1 shot vigilante. Mason. Alignment wasn't initially given, but was later given as pro-town.

In most situations like this, mafia have a lot of questions unless I kill one of their own. I waited to claim in order to see who asked which questions. Whether they thought me instantly scum, instantly town, or waited until I claimed first. Slow play kills mafia. Play enough games with me and you'll see it firsthand many times. I made a long post about it one game. I had no intention of posting as soon as I got the info but every intention of posting before the end of the day.
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This is probably the only townish thing you've done all game, Congratulations. I can confirm that Sathoris was in fact Peter Wiggin 1-shot vig mason, and I might as well add in that I am Valentine Wiggin.

Jason Maher said:
The only question if Pyro were scum, but for some reason or other still showed up as a townie to Drixx, would by why he would throw his scum buddy under the bus? Perhaps because he saw it as inevitable anyway (the speaker from last night certainly thought so)?
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Answer above, the mislynch pretty much meant a wasted day phase, therefore I was pissed.
 
I thought I was going to get lynched anyway, that's why I included the bomb claim - on the off chance that it could create some useful discussion (that my team could use, that is) or get someone (like zemaj :badteeth:) to out him self.
 
I'm not sure what to think and about whom. Lots of back and forth and not having read the books, probably isn't helping me.

Far as I can tell, Jason has a decent claim to a town role.

I don't understand why Bipolar was killed; he hardly said anything. Switched with the intended target?

I am unsure about the pushing for full role reveals. I understand the argument that it eliminates stuff that the mafia can claim but it just seems a bit ... wrong.

In honesty I'm likely to be seeing what the frequent mafia players come up with and go from there.

Yes, stunning analysis by me but what did you expect! :p

Well, OK the case against FredofErik seems pretty tight so I'll vote for him even if it is moot at this point.

Vote: FredOfErik
 
Gwaihir said:
As for a scum list:

1) FOE - has to be a liar
2) Val - vanilla claim, hopped off the train yesterday at first chance.
3) zemaj - comes out saying "look at me, I'm a bomb, FOE is wrong" a day late after 3 other roles claim to put FOE away.
Alternates:
1) Gory - 2 town vigs in one game? On the other hand, he played this out almost exactly like he did when he had a day vig before.
2) Leo/Thyiad/Noodle/flubb/laarz/coju - hard core lurking, bet we probably find at least one mafia among these.
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You forgot Pyrotechnician......and Gwaihir

Pyrotechnician said:
Sorry if that was unclear. I'm saying that having two town vigs is highly unlikely and that Goryani is most likely scum.
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My question for you Pyro is how did you know JasonMaher would get your specific snippet of conversation and not some other conversation....say mafia night talk??

Goryani was fairly forthcoming with his information....sort of
 
flubbucket said:
You forgot Pyrotechnician......and Gwaihir
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Why are you trying to put someone I investigated (and turned up town) on the list? CG was night killed and came up town. Sath was instsa-killed and flipped town. If two of my investigations are correct, why do you keep trying to put Pyro back on the baddie list? Your willful ignoring of certain things seems scummy to me.
 
flubbucket said:
You forgot Pyrotechnician......and Gwaihir



My question for you Pyro is how did you know JasonMaher would get your specific snippet of conversation and not some other conversation....say mafia night talk??

Goryani was fairly forthcoming with his information....sort of
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I did not know he would receive my specific post, however it was easy to discern that it was my post from these two posts Jason made:

Jason Maher said:
Somehow I'm still alive. Thank you to the doc if you saved me (unlikely though that seems since someone did die, not to discount the possibility of more than one night killer).

Someone was very, very upset last night. I need to mull over what I received a bit before jumping to a conclusion. You'll have my thoughts sometime over the next 12 hours.

I personally am suspicious of FoE's claim because on first read he misrepresented the part of the message I hadn't shared at that point. I'll have to recheck. I did intend to re-vote for him, but got bitten by the early day end time again. The colourful language in what I received last night makes me suspectmy original conclusion was correct, but I'm going to do some more careful reading and thinking before I make that a firm conclusion.
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Jason Maher said:
I can share this much from last night, someone has the ability to protect someone, but doing so will prevent that person using their own ability.
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I made four posts before he made those two and I was not aware of him receiving my post at the time and they were pretty much a continuation of my thoughts during the night, however later on when he said he was trying to decipher who was talking I tried to let him know using my "colorful language"
 
flubbucket said:
You forgot Pyrotechnician......and Gwaihir
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I forgot neither. I don't think Pyro has been lurking - he has been asking numerous questions, interacting with many people, and stating opinions. So not actually lurking at all in my opinion. Currently one of the top contributors actually, along with Phil, Drixx, Jason, and Gory.

As for myself, I actually don't think I am lurking either. While I am never the most prolific poster, but I have been also asking questions, and scumhunting. The 5 I listed are the ones who come to mind when thinking about the following:

1) Few short posts per day
2) Posting tending to be off-topic/irrelevent
3) Few questions asked/opinions stated
4) Little or no voting record
 
Drixx said:
Why are you trying to put someone I investigated (and turned up town) on the list? CG was night killed and came up town. Sath was instsa-killed and flipped town. If two of my investigations are correct, why do you keep trying to put Pyro back on the baddie list? Your willful ignoring of certain things seems scummy to me.
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Drixx you have got to lighten up before you bust a gasket.
 
Gwaihir said:
I forgot neither. I don't think Pyro has been lurking - he has been asking numerous questions, interacting with many people, and stating opinions. So not actually lurking at all in my opinion. Currently one of the top contributors actually, along with Phil, Drixx, Jason, and Gory.

As for myself, I actually don't think I am lurking either. While I am never the most prolific poster, but I have been also asking questions, and scumhunting. The 5 I listed are the ones who come to mind when thinking about the following:

1) Few short posts per day
2) Posting tending to be off-topic/irrelevent
3) Few questions asked/opinions stated
4) Little or no voting record
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My comment was intended to address your listing most of the players....

Sure is a "fun" bunch in here......SHEEESH!!
 
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