Create Your Own Role Mafia game

[thefranklin]

I need more 'splaining regarding how this Frankenstein/Kingmaker thingy will work out.

1. Kingmaker claims before the end of the day.
2. Dr. Frank (unclaimed!) switches kingmaker and a dead player.
3. Bus driver stays the f away.
4. ???
5. Throw some slop in Flubb's trough.

Then we have 3 people responsible for this, the scary part is the mafia can attempt a 2 for 1 trade here.

 

[Kestegs]

How is that plan even legit? where is the profit step?

I'm going to be busy at work most of the day so I'm going to put my vote down on Moar now, mostly for her end day voting, and for politicianing.

vote: Moar

I should be around a bit still and as of right now am also willing to change my vote to Bad Ash.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Very interesting. So the no Nk was Solar being that Joe. He denied having the role again. No town player would do this as it was the only thing to not get Ankeli lynched me thinks. But then mafia would not kill mafia, would they? So I am at a loss.

I don't uderstand why Solar would deny that he had the same role again. It doesn't say in the PM (from first page) that he can't admit having the role again.

@Gory
Was he stopped by you and had to lie?

If he wasn't stopped I really can't see why, if town, he would not just say so and let us go scumhunting from that information.

I think Solar must have been scum since he didn't reveal that he was Joe again. But how the h*ll did he get killed then? Mafia won't attack one of their own, but I don't really see yet how the bus driver could have involuntarily done it.

Yes, but how would a town Joe denying that he was Joe again the next day help the town? So lie = scum.
We would have looked for others if we knew that is role was the reason for no NK instead of me blocking Ankeli.

These are just a few of the posts by you in regards to Solar having the Joe Black role, it just looks like your trying overly hard to convince us that you had no idea how the Joe Black role functioned or that Solar lying about continuing to have the role apparently didn't trigger in your mind that Solar = scum at the day end flip. Maybe I'm just being overly one sided since I created the role, but it sure seems like you don't want to have any connection to him.

In light of Solar's flip, we can narrow it down to one of two options.

He either tried killing me, or he tried killing Pyro. That is, of course, assuming Pyro isn't lying about miming the reflector role.

Nope, no lying here, but of course theres no way to prove it like most of the night actions.

Yes, the reflector makes sense. You didn't get any PM back about your reflecting?

Nope, no pm response.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Oh I almost forgot....


Since no one ever asked me....derp


Solar Ice was the BFF...was that is

Interesting information to throw out there, but not overly useful since hes dead.

Fifthly, I kinda want to vote for flub. Anyone else get this feeling?

Nope, not getting that feeling yet, but I'm only part way through todays posts so far.

Good question. I would have chosen one of the people least likely to be lynched. If they appeared more town than scum, great.
If not, hope we are not close enough to the end of the game that mafia would try for a one for one trade. Pyro would most likely have been my choice.

King Pyro, I like it, its catchy.

Tiny Print:
Your role rotates but the BFF stays the BFF until death.
You will be told the identity of the BFF, if one already exists, when receiving this role.
Your Hammer vote on the BFF will be identified as Paris.
You may not quote from any Paris night chat to any other thread but you may paraphrase information.
You may not share links to any Paris night chat with anyone.


So my post might have been a bit rash, but the BFF stays the BFF until death? Do we think that is why Solar Ice kept his Joe Black role?

How likely is it that the mafia would make another mafia his BFF? How likely is it that a mafia would have made a townie his BFF?

Some questions, the hammer has not been broughteth down, I got a wee bit excited. Vote stands until I get some answers though.

Then my vote for flubb isnt changing this day phase I dont think unless something else comes through. The hammer vote is almost irrelevant in this case. If your mafia buddy is going down, he's going down and you look scummy if you arent on the bandwagon to begin with.

Secondly, having a mafia member be the BFF gives the mafia an advantage. The night talk can be used to gain credibility with non-mafia members and get them on their side.

Thirdly, If we want to just get to the basics of it, if flub was town, there is a 25%-ish chance that he would have picked a mafia member to be the BFF. Plausible odds, but 70% ish chance he chose a townie and he didnt (the remaining 5% is because flub is a town member in this scenario)

since Paris changes but still communicates with the BFF I think, if I was a mafia Paris, on day 1, I would make a mafia the BFF for the potential for gained credibilitiy by night talking other Paris' who arent in your group.

Another counter to my flub being mafia arguement:

"Your BFF will enter a period of mourning should you ever die (silenced + voteless for a day)."

This might be the most important piece of the puzzle that could clear flub. Still IDK.

A voteless and silenced player "most likely" wouldnt be voted off?

Lets roleplay: If you were mafia Paris on Day 1 would you BFF your teammate or no? Lots of pros and cons. This could be a big waste of time, and not trying for it to be, just looking for direction on where to go this day phase, if we need to move on, we can, but still wondering what peoples answer to this question is.

Focus BA, focus. There are upsides and downsided to having a mafia BFF and not having a mafia BFF, the person picking the BFF would have to weigh the upsides and downsides but overall it would probably be a personal choice. Upside for mafia - night chats with townies to create chaos. Downside for mafia - Can be hammered by Paris. Either way for mafia - excludes them from voting from Paris whether they are mafia or not (gives them a reason for not voting for a mafiso, but also skews the voting records). Anyway, this is all irrelevant anyway because the Paris role has been removed and the BFF is dead, knowing if flubb picked a mafia cohert is almost impossible. You spent a lot of time on this Paris/BFF debate and there really wasn't anything there to discuss to begin with, seems like a good scum hunting distraction to me.

I'm not seeing your reasoning on flub right now, seems like you're just taking this moar situation as an opportunity to redirect pressure.

Yep, not seeing it either, using a players breakdown to your own advantage? Scum points to BA. (As BA would say).

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

I think this is correct in explaining the logic of mafia not choosing mafia as BFF. Mafia already know who all the townies are and what advantage would there be in having a night chat with a townie?? On the other hand, a townie having a night chat with mafia could potentially expose something. The discussion Solar Ice and I had was a bit tentative, since neither of us felt confident of the other. He seemed more so than I did. However, we did agree to let him disclose the BFF status if he felt it necessary. The purpose was to be able to remain incognito as long as possible to gather intel each night chat.

Please don't....

Oh, here are/were his list of mafia suspects:

Ankeli, Moar, Malevolent, kestegs, Pyrotechnician

He later mentions not trusting (lynching) Caluin Graye over Moar. Other than that it was a short chat of fluffy goodness. (15 posts total)

Cool! I was one of Solars scum suspects, great. It would be amazingly helpful but knowing scum they throw in one or two actual scum in every list they make so they can cover their own asses.

Made a list and so far all roles/players are accounted for except for Gwaihir and Pyrotechnician.



I still have many issues with this. I guess the odds of getting the same role twice in a row boggles my drug-riddled alcohol softened brain.

Already answered your role question, but the role thing the Joe black role forces you to keep the role if the ability is triggered. There is no "chance" of keeping the role the next day, you do automatically.

I notice quite a lot of people just ignore what I say most of the time, lol. Maybe its my overuse of the word "though". And I don't remember SI asking me anything this game, either.

Don't worry, I feel the same way, then again I make large long winded posts with tons of quotes and who really wants to pay attention to that I mean really?

You quoted me here, but you seemed to be talking to BA, is tart what you meant?

I was using your post as a reference for what you were curious to and I described what I was curious about. So yes it was actually directed toward BA, but more to make the town aware of what I thought it looked like was happening.

 

[Gwaihir]

I don't know if Mal was a townie or not. I think you do though. You say you removed Mal because he could have been scum. I say you removed the role because he wasn't scum. My additional point is that now the mafia has another shot at getting one of theirs back later. Something you didn't comment on.


No, I am not. I am arguing that you said its "a weak NK-imunity". It's both a weakday and night imunity. You forgot the day part.

No. I am basing my theory on that you knew that Mal was town. You wanted to have the role back for later. So you off'ed Mal permanently. You deprived the town of a chance to learn Mal's alignment and got the role back. Win-win?

I did comment on it. I said that if we lynch another person, we would be in the exact same situation as we would have been before if I had not used the power - someone with unknown alignment lynched who could be gotten back at any moment. I prevented that from happening by using my power. I voted for Mal, and think he was scum, why would I let him come back?

Again, you seem to be assuming Mal is townie even though you voted for- have you not even considered the option that he is scum and I saved us from the exact situation you have been describing?

While this plan is solid in theory, in practice you'll find that even if someone is town and their lynch will help win the game for their team, they don't want to follow through with it. Mainly because it's more fun to play than it is to sit in the penalty box (AKA, dead thread).

I take this to mean that you believe MartinLong is more townie than Malevolent?

I see in a later post you understood my idea about the first part. As to the second part, I have not found ML particularly scummy so far this game. I do find Mal and Moar being so buddy-buddy day one, Mal preventing the Spammer from being available to prevent a NK, Moars misvote, and Mal not claiming he was Last Laugh to be pretty scummy.

I need more 'splaining regarding how this Frankenstein/Kingmaker thingy will work out.

As the franklin said
"1. Kingmaker claims before the end of the day.
2. Dr. Frank (unclaimed!) switches kingmaker and a dead player.
3. Bus driver stays the f away.
4. ???
5. Throw some slop in Flubb's trough.

Then we have 3 people responsible for this, the scary part is the mafia can attempt a 2 for 1 trade here."

Somewhat true, 2 to 1 is a worst case scenario.
kingmaker misclaim makes the kingmaker scum
No dead role shows up in rotation - Dr. Frank was scum
wrong role is removed - Driver or Dr. Frank is scum

The mafia could try some fancy stuff to avoid getting a lynch on one of theirs, but as far as I see, that endangers a second mafia.
Basically with role claims we should be able to weed out people not telling the truth.

 

[flubbucket1]

I am the kingmaker.

 

[thefranklin]

Somewhat true, 2 to 1 is a worst case scenario.
kingmaker misclaim makes the kingmaker scum
No dead role shows up in rotation - Dr. Frank was scum
wrong role is removed - Driver or Dr. Frank is scum

The mafia could try some fancy stuff to avoid getting a lynch on one of theirs, but as far as I see, that endangers a second mafia.
Basically with role claims we should be able to weed out people not telling the truth.

Right, the problem is that the kingmaker misclaim is discernible from the bus driver messing with things and Dr. Frank not switching the right people. Not sure if a 2 for 1 switch is bad for town or not, but I don't know the math on it. I just know that mafia avoid 1 for 1's.

We currently have a 3/2 split on Moar/Bad Ash. They both seemed to do their own part in Ankeli's lynch, and I have not played with each other enough to know who is more dangerous to the town. I think Moar is more dangerous now.

Vote: Moar

 

[thefranklin]

I am the kingmaker.

Cool, still submit a choice for king so it doesn't get randomized if something goes wrong.



Originally Posted by Gwaihir
A dead townie is not good for me. A failed town lynch is - which is could have happened if Mal came back. You seem very sure Mal is a townie, even though you were willing to vote for him - even claiming to attempt to lock him. If Mal came back in the endgame, could you trust him? Or would you use another day relynching him to get his alignment?

I take this to mean that you believe MartinLong is more townie than Malevolent?

CG, I have a question about the above interaction. Do you disagree with Gwahir's action? It would make D1 equivalent of a no-lynch, but more worrisome to the town is if the mafia get to bring back in substitutions. Heat on ML? Sure, bus him (making our members look town) and bring back Mal, get some fresh legs in there.

 

[Moar]

I have on purpose not posted all day hoping votes would swing over to BA. Figured I can wait til day end -3 hours and/or 4 votes.

I'm facing a dilemma. Do I egoistically save myself or die to give town information? In my opinion a no lynch is worse than a mislynch. If I get lynched the town at least gets to know that I was town.

Somebody needs to start spamming hard now! I will not post more this day unless somebody else gets locked, but I do have 42 posts this day phase (including this post, if I counted right).

Goodbye and thanks for the fish. My suspects are BA, Gwaihir and Sathoris. Look at my posts for why. I didn't lie about anything at all in this game.

 

[Caluin Graye]

CG, I have a question about the above interaction. Do you disagree with Gwahir's action?

Not at all. I think Gwaihir's actions on night one were insightful and well thought out. I asked that question because I'm mildly suspicious of MartinLong, as I believe his game differs from how he played last time. I wanted someone else's opinion on ML without me skewing the read by mentioning my suspicions.

However, after reading what kestegs wrote in post #515, I've thought about it, and while I agree with Gwaihir's actions on night one, I could see it also being part of a plan to make him appear town via the bus driver while not sacrificing the power of the politician. Which is why I'm going to head this route:

Vote: Bad Ash

Should Ash flip scum, I think that warrants us taking a very close look at Gwaihir.

 

[Gwaihir]

I have on purpose not posted all day hoping votes would swing over to BA. Figured I can wait til day end -3 hours and/or 4 votes.

I'm facing a dilemma. Do I egoistically save myself or die to give town information? In my opinion a no lynch is worse than a mislynch. If I get lynched the town at least gets to know that I was town.

Somebody needs to start spamming hard now! I will not post more this day unless somebody else gets locked, but I do have 42 posts this day phase (including this post, if I counted right).

Goodbye and thanks for the fish. My suspects are BA, Gwaihir and Sathoris. Look at my posts for why. I didn't lie about anything at all in this game.

Huh. Spammer. Forgot about that.

This post makes me think you might actually be town. If I was in your shoes as mafia I would be spamming my rear end off right now. I am willing to switch to my second top target.

Unvote: Moar
Vote: Bad Ash

 

[Sathoris]

As far as I can tell BA is closest with about ~25 posts. Some poetic justice in this. If we can't lynch Moar I guess it falls onto BA. Will we have our first spam-off?

 

[Sathoris]

Huh. Spammer. Forgot about that.

This post makes me think you might actually be town. If I was in your shoes as mafia I would be spamming my rear end off right now. I am willing to switch to my second top target.

Unvote: Moar
Vote: Bad Ash

16 posts ahead of the second highest and she's available to continue posting if neccesary. Nothing town about that. Let's see what happens if BA shows up and outspams Moar.

 

[Gwaihir]

16 posts ahead of the second highest and she's available to continue posting if neccesary. Nothing town about that. Let's see what happens if BA shows up and outspams Moar.

I was talking about the honesty of the post - she came out reminded everyone that she was a spammer and currently immune to lynch, and even gave a post count. No way would I have said that as mafia.

 

[thefranklin]

Haha, nice use of the spammer role. Proving you are the most dangerous.

Unvote: Moar
Vote: Bad Ash

 

[Sathoris]

I was talking about the honesty of the post - she came out reminded everyone that she was a spammer and currently immune to lynch, and even gave a post count. No way would I have said that as mafia.

And what would happen if we saw the lynch failed cause she was the spammer at the end of the day? Instalynch the following. This way she avoids that and still avoids the lynch...

 

[Bad Ash]

Suspects: Gwaihir, flub, stegs, Caluin Graye.

Why so many? Cause we aren't anywhere near close to getting good information out of this game. I will flip town, I will be able to be lynched because the spammer today is most likely mafia. Why else would they keep a low profile? They are in no danger, and don't have any fear of being nked? Did they forget their is a bus driver role?

Unvote: flubbucket
Vote: Moar



Most likely a worthless switch at this point, but it could give us insight into Mals role and if the remaining town wants to get basic look at the voting patterns on me, Ankeli, and Moar because there should be at least 1 scum voting for all three of us.

I am the reflector. There is a theory that SI was reflected upon and that is why he died, I think its possible that he was just targetted for a NK, but if I had to bet my money on it, the charges for the prevent NK are gone, so I wouldnt recommend frankensteining this role, but it is up to whoever franky is I guess.

Again, look at my actions, I was scumhunting and am going to go down for this. Tried to explain a possibly flub slip up, nothing more. Next time I will lurk like the rest of the town and just leave it to dumb luck on lynching mafioso. There are no connections to a mafia from my lynch other than voting patterns. Good luck with that.

 

[Bad Ash]

Moar didnt claim spammer fyi, she said someone needs to start spamming. Don't waste our time and pages to this thread because if I was the spammer, I'd say I was. If I didnt i'd be dead as a doornail tomorrow regardless as Sathoris just said.

I haven't lied about one thing this game either, have played a poor town, but still, this is going to further the unknown of the town and put us in a poor spot. Better hope the mafia don't get a hold of the skip the day tarot card.

 

[thefranklin]

Are you saying Moar is not scum in paragraph 2 when you group you, Ankeli, Moar together?