Create Your Own Role Mafia game

I really can't remember what time I sent it. I did get my night chat PM from Goryani at 1:00 PM CST on Saturday the 13th. So it would have been before then.

This is the other quote from flub. Someone who has claimed to have lists of all players and roles, doesnt have a sent PM to know when he sent in the BFF request? Not hard evidence, nothing I have said is because we dont get any in mafia games most of the time. Just more WIFOM on top of the WIFOM he has already spewed about SI and the BFF

Excellent choice! Also vote may need to be bolded, but Goryani might not be toooo much of a stickler. Comments regarding Joe Black help clear things up for us pretty not smarty people.

Feels even worse thinking I actually agonized over my choice of Solar Ice....double derp cone with sprinkles please :dopey:



So that leave Gwaihir as the only one left unclaimed. Am I correct??

Sathoris, before I toddle off to bed.

Did you choose to whom you gave the kingmaker role when you had it? I don't care about your reasons, just did you choose or did you allow the random Goryani generator to pick the next recipient?

I am quoting these two to show it is not the easiest thing in the world to know what the heck is going on with these roles and randomization. Being a lynch candidate because I didnt come forward immediately and say "Of course the politician role is still in the game" is borderline ridiculous.
 
The first of the second flub quotes shows that he shouldnt need Gwaihir to claim as he should know his role since he was the last one to claim.

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And final note: at this point we should follow the adage of lynch all lurkers because we sure as hell have provided a great distraction for them to sit back and enjoy the ride. It usually works and we never do it. and guess what? I am going to flip flop vote the entire game, wanna know why? CAUSE IM A STUPID TOWNIE. Thats what townies do. They try to get a lynch to get information and try to do something with that information. Mafia don't do nearly as much because they are afraid of the attention...sheesh how many games have we played? If I was mafia you can be damned certain I wouldnt be making splashes trying throwing attention on myself on day 3

WIFOA
 
Just to elaborate on what you are trying to say here.

Gwaihir and I are in cahoots, yet I have to busdrive specific players to ensure that I get what I want, when we are on the same team and discuss the possibility? Not to mention Gwaihir has been one of my top suspects since the first group of pages and I'd be happy to see him lynched at any point.

But Gwaihir, my mafia teammate you are saying, wants the last laugh, but me, his other mafia teammate, wants the politician role in the game instead and go rogue on my mafia night talk after he says he is taking the last laugh and bypassing his plans to get the politician back in the game. You got it!!!!!

Target A: Bad Ash
Target B: Moar
Target C: flubbucket

Actions for target A go to B. B goes to C. and C goes to A. If I were targeted for a kill, I wanted it to go to Moar, and I thought flub was unlikely to be night killed so put him in C. That is as deep as my thought process went for who to bus drive. Like Sath said, try again.

No, I think you were working together. He targets Mal (which will get the last laugh back) and me. But you bus drive me so that you (you = scum) are sure the politician won't be removed. You also know that flubb isn't being NK'ed, so no risk for you having him redirected to you.
 
And final note: at this point we should follow the adage of lynch all lurkers because we sure as hell have provided a great distraction for them to sit back and enjoy the ride. It usually works and we never do it. and guess what? I am going to flip flop vote the entire game, wanna know why? CAUSE IM A STUPID TOWNIE. Thats what townies do. They try to get a lynch to get information and try to do something with that information. Mafia don't do nearly as much because they are afraid of the attention...sheesh how many games have we played? If I was mafia you can be damned certain I wouldnt be making splashes trying throwing attention on myself on day 3

WIFOA

Now you go and start attacking the lurkers? Since accusing flubb didn't work? Sorry, I don't buy this. Not that I'm against your lurker motion in general. But right now it just looks like you are frantically trying to get the heat off yourself.
 
No, I think you were working together. He targets Mal (which will get the last laugh back) and me. But you bus drive me so that you (you = scum) are sure the politician won't be removed. You also know that flubb isn't being NK'ed, so no risk for you having him redirected to you.

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I can't do such fancy things as to find pics and have them here. i don't want to either. Maybe my age showing there. Instead I try to write. Old school maybe. I think that pic was out of place. You couldn't write why I am wrong but had to comment anyway?

Vote: Bad Ash
 
I can't do such fancy things as to find pics and have them here. i don't want to either. Maybe my age showing there. Instead I try to write. Old school maybe. I think that pic was out of place. You couldn't write why I am wrong but had to comment anyway?

Vote: Bad Ash

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I'm having a lot of 502 Bad Gateway errors tonight. Freaking annoying! :(

At least we agree on one thing.

There is so much wrong with your post. Firstly, you assume that D3 Frankenstein is town. Secondly, you assume the Kingmaker is coming forth and claiming even though he is mafia. Lots of excuses for a mafia kingmaker not doing that and getting away with it. Thirdly, the bus driver can mess up it as well. Fourthly, you need D5/N5 bus driver to be town as well. Doesn't matter the alignment of Frankenstein, the bus driver can mess up things with meaning it and without meaning it. This is just too much to having a chance to work.

I do not assume that Dr. Frank, Kingmaker, or Driver are town. I assume if they are mafia, they are likely to play along if the town agrees to the plan, because if they don't, then they get lynched after claims are made.

For example:
Kingmaker doesn't claim - We find out who it had to be and lynch him the next day.
Dr. Frank doesn't switch - As soon as we see king still in the game, and no dead role is, we lynch him
Bus moves target - Why would a townie drive a declared kingmaker (ok, so this plan does not work well if the king is a confirmed townie)? We find a dead role in the game with the kingmaker still in, we lynch the bus driver.


Yes, a dead townie is good for you, isn't it? You wouldn't want to get a townie back in the endgame, do you?

What you conveniently forgot is that it has also a weak form of lynch immunity. So a lynched scum can be brought back with it. You even mentioned "lynched" in your post. We saw with Mal that the alignment was not revealed even though it was a lynch. I think your reasoning here is far out since you ignore about everything we know about the role having seen it in play.

A dead townie is not good for me. A failed town lynch is - which is could have happened if Mal came back. You seem very sure Mal is a townie, even though you were willing to vote for him - even claiming to attempt to lock him. If Mal came back in the endgame, could you trust him? Or would you use another day relynching him to get his alignment?

you are arguing my point - of course it is a soft form of lynch immunity. That immunity is countered somewhat by Dr. Frank, and I chose to use it in that manner.

Why is somebody lynched when he had last laugh most likely to be townie? The town always lynches some townies . See Ankeli last day.

So getting this role back, will give you a chance on getting a mafia buddy that was lynched back. You simply have to NK the last voter. This is a gamebreaker for the town at lylo.
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I assume the first sentence here should read scum. If Mal was townie, I am sorry, but that is the chance I took. Again, you seem convinced of Mal being a townie, because if Mal was mafia we would be in the same situation now as your second sentence. And that was the situation I was trying to avoid.

See above. More clearly here that you knew about the lynch imunity as well. That's exactly the losing scenario I outlined above. So that role is best out of the game isn't it? Unless you know Mal was town and want a 2nd shot at rescuing a scum buddy.

The biggest complaint you have is that what if we lynch a mafia and he comes back later in the game. This is exactly what I was trying to avoid with Mal. You base the entire argument around the fact that Mal is town - how are you so sure that is true? If you are unsure if Mal is town, how are we in a worse position now than before I made the switch?

I really dislike the cognitive dissonance I seem to be reading in the post. It could be because Moar is convinced I am scum, but it could also come from being convinced Mal is town.

Vote: Moar
 
This is the other quote from flub. Someone who has claimed to have lists of all players and roles, doesnt have a sent PM to know when he sent in the BFF request? Not hard evidence, nothing I have said is because we dont get any in mafia games most of the time. Just more WIFOM on top of the WIFOM he has already spewed about SI and the BFF
Considering this game send out a lot of PM's I find it quite funny you try to make an argument here.

I am quoting these two to show it is not the easiest thing in the world to know what the heck is going on with these roles and randomization. Being a lynch candidate because I didnt come forward immediately and say "Of course the politician role is still in the game" is borderline ridiculous.
Eh, although you said I completely misinterpreted your argument against flub, I still think you are just as scummy. Has nothing to do with the late claim.

And final note: at this point we should follow the adage of lynch all lurkers because we sure as hell have provided a great distraction for them to sit back and enjoy the ride. It usually works and we never do it. and guess what? I am going to flip flop vote the entire game, wanna know why? CAUSE IM A STUPID TOWNIE. Thats what townies do. They try to get a lynch to get information and try to do something with that information. Mafia don't do nearly as much because they are afraid of the attention...sheesh how many games have we played? If I was mafia you can be damned certain I wouldnt be making splashes trying throwing attention on myself on day 3

WIFOA
Oh yes, lets mis-direct the traffic. I remember I tried doing that in my first game and it was the scummiest thing I could do (as I've been told). Seeing you do it, I can't help but laugh at my past self.


Child's Play
Great case your making.

More child's play
Why give up so soon?
 
Haha, Bad Ash convinced me that he shouldn't be the lynch for the day. Hate to be (oh I love it) Capt. Hindsight, but the claims of all role actions and their thourough analysis isn't exactly groundbreaking in catching scum but sowing confusion.

Moar is far from convincing and the sooner we lynch her the better. Can't contemplate her lynch in lylo.
 
Childs play? Sorry I can easily say: "you are making up a theory that holds no water and is nothing but a conspiracy"

That is not fun. I play these games to win, and to have fun. MartinLong has been looking at me with zero evidence provided from himself, claims I am acting like he did when he was town, but since he got called scum, I must as well, and is lurking quite poorly. HMM. Things to consider if I am lynched
 
Childs play? Sorry I can easily say: "you are making up a theory that holds no water and is nothing but a conspiracy"

That is not fun. I play these games to win, and to have fun.
Touche. I'll give you that.

MartinLong has been looking at me with zero evidence provided from himself, claims I am acting like he did when he was town, but since he got called scum, I must as well,
Hmm, thing is. That was my first game, this not the same for you. That was just a funny observation mind you.

and is lurking quite poorly. HMM. Things to consider if I am lynched
So... that would mean I'm not lurking, correct?
 
If you havent deducted by now I am not that good at mafia and there are over a dozen games for you to go look at if you dont believe me. But you are lurking, excuse me for the "poorly" worded sentence.
 
At least we agree on one thing.



I do not assume that Dr. Frank, Kingmaker, or Driver are town. I assume if they are mafia, they are likely to play along if the town agrees to the plan, because if they don't, then they get lynched after claims are made.

For example:
Kingmaker doesn't claim - We find out who it had to be and lynch him the next day.
Dr. Frank doesn't switch - As soon as we see king still in the game, and no dead role is, we lynch him
Bus moves target - Why would a townie drive a declared kingmaker (ok, so this plan does not work well if the king is a confirmed townie)? We find a dead role in the game with the kingmaker still in, we lynch the bus driver.

I see your point here. I can't find a hole in your logic as of now. Doesn't mean that you are town, just that your logic is ok.



A dead townie is not good for me. A failed town lynch is - which is could have happened if Mal came back. You seem very sure Mal is a townie, even though you were willing to vote for him - even claiming to attempt to lock him. If Mal came back in the endgame, could you trust him? Or would you use another day relynching him to get his alignment?

I don't know if Mal was a townie or not. I think you do though. You say you removed Mal because he could have been scum. I say you removed the role because he wasn't scum. My additional point is that now the mafia has another shot at getting one of theirs back later. Something you didn't comment on.

you are arguing my point - of course it is a soft form of lynch immunity. That immunity is countered somewhat by Dr. Frank, and I chose to use it in that manner.
No, I am not. I am arguing that you said its "a weak NK-imunity". It's both a weakday and night imunity. You forgot the day part.[/quote]

I assume the first sentence here should read scum. If Mal was townie, I am sorry, but that is the chance I took. Again, you seem convinced of Mal being a townie, because if Mal was mafia we would be in the same situation now as your second sentence. And that was the situation I was trying to avoid.



The biggest complaint you have is that what if we lynch a mafia and he comes back later in the game. This is exactly what I was trying to avoid with Mal. You base the entire argument around the fact that Mal is town - how are you so sure that is true? If you are unsure if Mal is town, how are we in a worse position now than before I made the switch?

I really dislike the cognitive dissonance I seem to be reading in the post. It could be because Moar is convinced I am scum, but it could also come from being convinced Mal is town.

Vote: Moar

No. I am basing my theory on that you knew that Mal was town. You wanted to have the role back for later. So you off'ed Mal permanently. You deprived the town of a chance to learn Mal's alignment and got the role back. Win-win?
 
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