Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

[Gullik]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Anyone else noted a pattern to the post restrictions?

First it was flubb that had it.

Then this post came from Val:

Flubbucket has an obvious post restriction, which probably means he's aligned with the Town. I searched for some of the words and found that the language is called "Al Bhed"; it uses a substitution cipher and pertains to the games Final Fantasy X and its sequel. Here is a translator, and here you can find more information about it. Now that we know how to decode it, I wonder if the host will continue using this language for the posts restrictions. Anyway, onto Fub's messages:

Flubbucket's "Yhudran vyldeuh luimt ymcu pa nalniedan. Drixx ouin juda ec hud jymet":
"Another faction could also be recruiter. Drixx your vote is not valid."

Flubbucket's "Oac. E ryja y bucd nacdneldeuh yht Drixx's (#49) ec hud jymet":
"Yes. I have a post restriction and Drixx's (#49) is not valid."

Then we had Uraj figuring out in post 448 before he got post restricted

It could be coincidence but I think it points to a someone giving people the post restrictions. It could have been a contagious decease type thing, where the post restrictions latch onto whoever figures it out, but I don't see how that would work with the restriction Uraj have now.

 

[Gullik]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Corax after having the suspicious vote on Coju the first day after he said "family" connection, I've mostly just seen fluff from you. Trying too keep under the radar? I can't say I've seen much attempts atmafia hunting from you since day 1. Granted that drixx has filled up the thread pretty well.Your post after day 1.

long thread is long.

had a skin. will go back through in a few hours and make some conjecture.

Rules of engagement: one, whoever sees the other person first is the winner; two, whoever gets seen first is toast.
Atm i'm looking at zemaj and drixx as my main suspects.
zemaj - i would like to hear from again to see why he vanished and what his answers are.
drixx- i understand where he is trying to place his reasoning, but it makes no sense to me.

i got distracted by roving baby so forgot to put up that atm my vote is resting on zemaj but i want to actually hear from him before i cast it.


the reason my posting is up on somedays and down on others is due to work/wife/kids. unlike kegs i can't pretend to be working and phone message all day

I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. It is after all the point of the game to ascribe motives to actions and determine if you are lying.:whistling:

 

[Gwaihir]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

"My bad"

Though I stand by my reasoning. The case was **** but we got lucky. So I'm glad I was wrong. I could've hold on to the Zemaj is a miller, but lying about his role knowing full well he would show mafia to us shows us he's really mafia and not a townie.

I'd be pretty stupid to openly defend my mafia brother like that. I also mentioned I only 'defended' him to show you were all voting for someone based on a faulty case. I wanted you to switch to Drixx, not save Zemaj and lynch someone else or no one.

What I think tells us more is the people who unvoted Zemaj after I made my post about his case. The VI unvotes but that can be disregarded. But behold! Malovelent shows up again. He's also piling on my wagon the first chance he got.

Vote: Malovelent

So did you think zemaj suspicious at all? It seemed like you did the first day, but the second day found Drixx more scummy.

Malovelent - what was your reasoning behind switching votes? Did you think Drixx more scummy that zemaj? Why did you switch back?

Anyone else noted a pattern to the post restrictions?

It could be coincidence but I think it points to a someone giving people the post restrictions. It could have been a contagious decease type thing, where the post restrictions latch onto whoever figures it out, but I don't see how that would work with the restriction Uraj have now.

Interesting, but automating a part of the game seems unlikely. Between you and Drixx, why would you think things happen by chance? Although if you are right, you may be getting the post restriction.

Preview post: Agreed here with gullik: Corax you had flopped around on the first day, but what are you thinking now?

 

[Gullik]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Interesting, but automating a part of the game seems unlikely. Between you and Drixx, why would you think things happen by chance? Although if you are right, you may be getting the post restriction.

Well the most likely scenario was that the post restrictions was handed out to discourage people from breaking the codes, Urajs picture thingie got no code to break so I don't see why I should get it. I don't think I say so much important that anyone would prioritize to restrict me.

 

[Gullik]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

BTW, I will be away on a trip this weekend so I don't know how much internet time I will get.

 

[coju]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

This may be a wall of txt here... My "I don't care, whatever" attitude is my laid back type of style Works in RL, just not as 'extreme' as it sounds, nor as highschoolery, if you know what I'm saying

I'm so confused. I think Zemaj was really a mafia but ... my brain hurts.

Whaa? This is the start of people not thinking zemaj was truly a mafian. To me is just trying to spread even more confusion.

Whuh....???


zemaj was mafia. Ankeli was town.

Right flub. Glad I liked you from d2? Maybe even d1. Just glad I like you.

Welcome Leo.

And I agree with Flubb and Malevolent's analysis, plus it always bothered me the way Sarth was first really heavy on trying to get me lynched, then changed his mind and declared me to be a good guy when another lynch train was getting started, then flipped back against me when there was a chance zemaj might not get lynched.

Vote: Sarthoris

Sath changing him mind on you declared to me that y'all were working together. Another round of trying to spread confusion.

Well ... the confusing part for me was that Zemaj claimed to be a "Miller" who was a townie with the special power that he would show as a mafia if investigated. That seemed like a goofy special power to me as all it could do is get you killed.

Then he said his name was Mike Franks ... but when he was lynched he came up as a mafia, but I wasn't sure if we could trust that.

Then the /real/ Mike Franks gets offed during the night, which has to be the biggest coincidence I've seen in a long time.

As I said earlier, my brain hurts.

It looks like he claimed that to continue on the confusion fuss that's been in this thread since d1. People laying down scents everywhere and getting people to chase the wind. Clearly shading their eyes to what is clearly in front of them.

*hands out Bayer to Asrrin and Drixx*

anyone else need some?

I'll take some now. Thank you.

I think I was targeted last night and somehow got the best of my attacker. It was either a game dynamic or some form of a save as I do not have any special powers (per my role). Not sure what we can do with this info but I'm "laying the cards on the table" this game.

This would make you seem town. The only other person I can think to be town is CG, for he being attacked on d0. But, as we'll see in a minute, other's do not think so.

Flip, as someone going in blind, you're climbin' my list like a cute little tree frog.

aww, I like tree frogs. So green. (I quoted this for some real reason 30 minutes ago... blah)

I don't know if Zemaj was really anti-town or not. I do not believe his role claim though, which is very fishy, as Ankeli showed up as Mike. However I found something that to me is interesting for the miller role. It may work differently in this game though.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is why he didn't role claim his true name?

Or can anyone think of reasons that we ended up with e Mike role claim as well as Ank showing up with the same role?

I can think of only one reason: You are with drixx in this confusing the town.

Three explanations exist.

A) He was a Death Miller. This role is considered to be a poor role to put into a game. Makes little sense, since he lied about his character name. Townies typically don't lie.

B) Gorny is lying to us about zemaj and Ankeli's flips. In this case, we should really just lynch people at random, since we can't trust the moderator's information. I refuse to consider this as a serious option, and only include it for completeness.

C) zemaj was mafia and lying. 'Cause, you know, that's what they do.



See explanation C.


Hmmm. Strange that both Drixx and Korialstraz are trying to defend zemaj in the same manner, after seeing the mafia flip. Was there a previous connection between those two? Why, holy rusted metal Batman, I do believe there was!

Exactly leo. As you said about flip, I'll say about you!

I'm not defending, I'm hoping others will post their views on what happened during the night. Thanks for doing that.

If I was asked what I believe to be the more likely scenario, then I'd say Zemaj is anti-town and was lying. And in which case he had a very clever lie too, as he knew he was a regular mafia goon, and by role claiming the miller, he was certain that the results of his lynch would be identical to his claim.

But I won't rule out other possibilities. This is a Gorny game after all.

Your 2nd paragraph could make sense.

I didn't vote for zemaj because Drixx was a bigger ping with his sea-of-posts, everytime I tried to read the thread 10 new pages propped up, which was mostly drixx vs the world.

As such any read on any other player was being choked by this.
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Drixx is still at the top for the moment on my scumdar, for the same reasons as previously stated, plus the almost instant "I think Zemaj was really a mafia but...." after he flipped mafia, just seems too be to sow confusion.
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This is the only post that makes sense to me this day. Bravo Rlyeh. You have not been plagued by utter confusion.

Would others agree with this as well? If so then I'd say zemaj is most definately scum (GO TOWN! :jig.

Right! Why has this been the first time we were excited!?!!

"My bad"

Though I stand by my reasoning. The case was **** but we got lucky. So I'm glad I was wrong. I could've hold on to the Zemaj is a miller, but lying about his role knowing full well he would show mafia to us shows us he's really mafia and not a townie.



I'd be pretty stupid to openly defend my mafia brother like that. I also mentioned I only 'defended' him to show you were all voting for someone based on a faulty case. I wanted you to switch to Drixx, not save Zemaj and lynch someone else or no one.

What I think tells us more is the people who unvoted Zemaj after I made my post about his case. The VI unvotes but that can be disregarded. But behold! Malovelent shows up again. He's also piling on my wagon the first chance he got.

Vote: Malovelent



No

Where did you grab Mal out of these posts? You didn't post, and I'm missing what your reasoning is. After all those who are voting for you today, Mal seemed to say the least! Seems a little.... strange.......

 

[Sathoris]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

So did you think zemaj suspicious at all? It seemed like you did the first day, but the second day found Drixx more scummy

I made it very clear I did not find Zemaj scummy, suspicious or anything for that matter.

Where did you grab Mal out of these posts? You didn't post, and I'm missing what your reasoning is. After all those who are voting for you today, Mal seemed to say the least! Seems a little.... strange.......

My post which ended up explaining the zemaj case and why it was flawed here. Zemaj was already dangerously close to getting lynched. His mafia friends would undoutebly hop on the wagon to gain townie points on the flip. I presented them with a justified unvote to believe Zemaj was town.

Malov then unvoted here. Also note his first line in that post. He seems very glad with that reason to unvote. He also mentiones he's willing to lynch either without a doubt. In other words he readies himself to get on any wagon while getting off his mafiabuddies wagon when he can.

I've expressed my reservations about Malovelent before and this just caught my eye. Will read him in iso this weekend.

 

[Uraj]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Would others agree with this as well? If so then I'd say zemaj is most definately scum (GO TOWN! :jig.

But even if the exact mechanics of the miller is different from time to time, I'd still say zemaj was mafia, due to Ankeli's lynch and role reveal.


You get a lot of weird thoughts at around 8-9 am in the morning when you're not sleeping well. >_>

Uraj, that's pretty scummy. You seem to be trying to make it look like I didn't vote for zemaj yesterday - I refer readers to post 551, where I clearly did. I don't know why Uraj is ignoring that and only looking at the previous day. Too much time spent messing around with photobucket, not enough time actually reading, or a deliberate attempt to obfuscate?

Someone wants us to know he voted for a mafia...

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Day 2 votes/lynch information: 13 to lynch 14 to lock


Flubby: [1]......................(coju)
Drixx: [5].......................(Caluin Graye, Ryleh, Valhauros, zemaj, Sathoris,)

Mafia Family Role Call

Okay, let's run the numbers on this shall we?

Let's say there are 26 people in the game (Which I believe is accurate) and let's say 4 are anti-town. Right now the ratio is 4 bad to 22 good....

Okay let's pick four....

Oh I notice Caluin Graye is already defending Sathoris...birds of a feather :wink:

 

[Malevolent]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

OMG so many posts!

I unvoted zemaj because i wanted to lynch drix more, and i still wan't to lynch drix.
But i still thougth that zemaj was scummy and we NEEDED a lynch that day, another mis-lynch would be VERY BAD for the town.

 

[Kestegs]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Mafia Family Role Call





Okay let's pick four....

Oh I notice Caluin Graye is already defending Sathoris...birds of a feather :wink:

Do you really think that the mafia are that naive?

I'm sure there are some Mafia on that list though, I just really doubt that all 4 are mafia.

 

[Uraj]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

 

[korialstraz]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Speaking of which, Korialstraz, do you have any new information to share?

Without doing a full role claim then no. I've had a few theories, but they're so far fetched it's best to to post them in case it ends up in discussing it more than is needed. We've had enough distractions for several mafia games imo.

But my offer from last night still stands. Ask the questions you have, and I'll answer them to the best of my ability.

There was once a game where two different townies thought they had the same character name (not roles/abilities, just name). Even if that were true this game, the whole death miller thing isn't explained. I think it considerably more likely that zemaj was mafia trying to fake a claim.

I agree that he's most like mafia, and we should progress forth with that assumption. At least that's what I would do.

I can think of only one reason: You are with drixx in this confusing the town.

I've mentioned this several times before. I'm not going to stop considering other possibilities because there is 1 easy way to interpret something, with other possible outcomes being less likely but still present. So I made 1 (or was it 2) posts on the subject, got feedback on my thoughts and decided that working under the assumption that zemaj is anti-town would be best.

I wonder though, why bring this topic up and question me on it, when there's already a post with my final decision on the matter? At least until information saying otherwise shows up that is.

Your 2nd paragraph could make sense.

Why thank you. Just because that wasn't the first of a few possibilites I posted about doesn't mean it wasn't never in my mind that he was just scum from the get go.

Right! Why has this been the first time we were excited!?!!

Because day 1 ended in a no-lynch? I was actually excited when I first read the results and night phase started. But trying to keep a cooler head now as to not make further misstakes.

 

[Laarz]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

I don't think Sath is scum. zemaj's lynch was way too easy of a bus to hop on to. One lone scum trying to sway nearly the entire town off his scum partner is a waste of time and practically suicide, and Sath knows this.

coju, on the other hand, performing a "whatever, I'm not participating" action pings my scumdar a little bit.



Why is Laarz's name listed twice, once in brackets unlike anyone else?

I'm still of the opinion that we should consider lynching Drixx today to test Korial's day 2 claims. Speaking of which, Korialstraz, do you have any new information to share?



This is a smart possibility, but I'd say that until someone comes forward with information that contradicts what we assume to know, that we just work with what's in front of us and carry on from there.

Also, I'm not sure that theory would line up with the story, since Franks spent the evening at Gibbs' house. Makes me wonder if Ankeli had a power role and visited Gibbs, or if it's just flavour.

Curious you should ask,I thought to myself the first person to ask about it would more than likely the one that did it to me. Not sure about that tho. It was just a thought at the time. Gorny pmed me after the lynch to say that he forgot to tell me my vote was blocked but that it didn't matter because there was enough for the lynch. I looked for a voteblocker but what I found was a vote thief who steals your vote as a night action which I think is what happened to me.

 

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Why have a few peopled quoted me to try and paint me as trying to confuse the town, but they somehow "forget" to quote my post from the mafia wiki which explains that the miller role can sometimes be executed in such a way that on a lynch they give out false information.

From what everyone says, Gorny runs crazy games ... it was certainly within the realm of possibility that Zemaj really was a miller and Gorny chose to have him show as a false name/role upon lynch. The one piece of data that makes me fairly sure he was actually mafia is that he claimed the name Mike Franks and then Ankeli was killed and came up Mike Franks.

Unless Gorny changed Ankeli's character name just to sow confusion, I think that one piece of data is the one piece of data we have to show that Zemaj was lying with his role claim. Otherwise, it would be very possible that Zemaj really was the miller as he claimed.

Anyone who doesn't get why I was cautious (and confused) either missed something along the way or is intentionally trying to manipulate my posts to get me lynched today.

 

[Asrrin]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Don't forget Drixx, as soon as I made the 13th vote you immediately unvoted your scumbuddy zemaj in an attempt to forestall the lynch. Multiple people called you out on it. And Ankeli was advocating for your lynch to find out about Kal, and he ends up dead. You've still not been held accountable for being such a hypocrite early game wildly throwing accusations and OMGUS votes at everyone and then criticizing others for the same.

I said it once and I'll say it again. Now that we got zemaj, it's time to take out Drixx.

Vote: Drixx

 

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Don't forget Drixx, as soon as I made the 13th vote you immediately unvoted your scumbuddy zemaj in an attempt to forestall the lynch. Multiple people called you out on it. And Ankeli was advocating for your lynch to find out about Kal, and he ends up dead. You've still not been held accountable for being such a hypocrite early game wildly throwing accusations and OMGUS votes at everyone and then criticizing others for the same.

I said it once and I'll say it again. Now that we got zemaj, it's time to take out Drixx.

Vote: Drixx

If you want to ignore what I said at the time and insist on ascribing dark motives to me, that's your choice. Willful ignorance is not a good sign though. I know that when I come up townie people are gonna look, and the fact that you have repeatedly ignored my posts and refused to acknowledge anything I've said to your charges ... that's gonna make you look bad.

What I find especially amusing, though, is that my reasoning for avoiding a lynch lock were quite sound and at the end of the day when Zemaj tried to worm his way out of roleclaiming, I was on him like a drug dog on a bag of reefer. You like to point out where I urged the town to caution to avoid locking the lynch too soon, and conveniently "forget" about me leading the charge once the day was wrapping up and Zemaj had not cleared himself at all.

Furthermore, you accuse me of being a hypocrite, but I don't remember ever berating someone for a retaliatory vote. I think they are quite helpful early on to see how people respond to things.

No, this level of determination on your part can only mean a couple things:

1.) You aren't really reading the thread, and therefore have chosen to play the game ignorantly. If this is the case, you need to be taken out as you will continuously play badly and hurt the town.

2.) You're a baddie and despite the fact that Kor basically outed himself as a power role to confirm that I'm a townie, you want to keep selectively attacking me in hopes that people won't actually go back and check your accusations and just believe you on faith.

I don't know which it is... but I find it less and less believable that you would have this vendetta against me unless you were an anti-townie.

 

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Also, the town needs to get a bit of the schizo out.

Zemaj was basically lynched because he avoided responding to most of the accusatory posts against him, and when he finally did it was too little, too late.

Some folks want to lynch me because I do respond to the accusatory posts against me.

It can't be both ways. The mafia will run us around in circles. Honestly, I feel like we got really lucky to get Zemaj as our first lynch.

 

[Gwaihir]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Curious you should ask,I thought to myself the first person to ask about it would more than likely the one that did it to me. Not sure about that tho. It was just a thought at the time. Gorny pmed me after the lynch to say that he forgot to tell me my vote was blocked but that it didn't matter because there was enough for the lynch. I looked for a voteblocker but what I found was a vote thief who steals your vote as a night action which I think is what happened to me.

So you are saying that your vote didn't count, and that someone else assigned it for you, basically having them be a double voter? Found this described here: http://mafiawiki.notesmash.org/wiki/Vote_stealer. Do you think it was a pro-town or anti-town action?

Unless Gorny changed Ankeli's character name just to sow confusion

I am curious why you keep thinking things are being actually done by the mod and not actually assigned to players. I think it was Goryani who said there could be a mafia janitor who messes with names? It seems like you are trying to make the moderator our enemy instead of looking for clues from other people in the game to find mafia.

 

[Asrrin]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

If you want to ignore what I said at the time and insist on ascribing dark motives to me, that's your choice. Willful ignorance is not a good sign though. I know that when I come up townie people are gonna look, and the fact that you have repeatedly ignored my posts and refused to acknowledge anything I've said to your charges ... that's gonna make you look bad.

None of your refutations makes any sense. The only real piece of evidence you have is Kal's "power role" claim, and since he is not claiming a particular power role no one is counter claiming him to out him as mafia. So a vague mention that kal knows your identity is not sufficient to remove blame from you. Clearly others here agree.

What I find especially amusing, though, is that my reasoning for avoiding a lynch lock were quite sound and at the end of the day when Zemaj tried to worm his way out of roleclaiming, I was on him like a drug dog on a bag of reefer. You like to point out where I urged the town to caution to avoid locking the lynch too soon, and conveniently "forget" about me leading the charge once the day was wrapping up and Zemaj had not cleared himself at all.

At the end of the day, after it was quite certain he would be lynched, and you had nothing to lose by throwing in the towel and throwing him under the bus to earn townie cred, just like I said you would.

Furthermore, you accuse me of being a hypocrite, but I don't remember ever berating someone for a retaliatory vote. I think they are quite helpful early on to see how people respond to things.

You made the same exact OMGUS votes as zemaj did, and said nothing when people called him out on it, but whined and cried when people called you out on it. You also flip flopped on votes like nobody's business, which is a hige scum tell as well.

No, this level of determination on your part can only mean a couple things:

1.) You aren't really reading the thread, and therefore have chosen to play the game ignorantly. If this is the case, you need to be taken out as you will continuously play badly and hurt the town.

2.) You're a baddie and despite the fact that Kor basically outed himself as a power role to confirm that I'm a townie, you want to keep selectively attacking me in hopes that people won't actually go back and check your accusations and just believe you on faith.

I don't know which it is... but I find it less and less believable that you would have this vendetta against me unless you were an anti-townie.

This level of determination is what I'm known for. Once I peg a mafia I don't rest until they are lynched. In a game this large, we need more single minded dedication to a lynch train, or else no one is going to get lynched.