Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

[Leopold Stotch]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Rlyheh? Dentists?

and this MAY be my last post for the night. I need to do a few chores unrelated to the game on here. Might post tomorrow night probably sometime after 8 or 8:30.

 

[korialstraz]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

O_O

I'm still in it. :O

:jig:


I don't know if Zemaj was really anti-town or not. I do not believe his role claim though, which is very fishy, as Ankeli showed up as Mike. However I found something that to me is interesting for the miller role. It may work differently in this game though.

Miller: You are a regular Townie with one exception: if you are ever investigated by a Cop, your role will be identified as Mafia. You will be told you are a normal Townie in the role PM at the start of the game. If you are lynched, you will appear as the vanilla mafia. If you are killed at night, you will be revealed as the miller.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is why he didn't role claim his true name?

Or can anyone think of reasons that we ended up with e Mike role claim as well as Ank showing up with the same role?

 

[Caluin Graye]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

I don't know if Zemaj was really anti-town or not.

Three explanations exist.

A) He was a Death Miller. This role is considered to be a poor role to put into a game. Makes little sense, since he lied about his character name. Townies typically don't lie.

B) Gorny is lying to us about zemaj and Ankeli's flips. In this case, we should really just lynch people at random, since we can't trust the moderator's information. I refuse to consider this as a serious option, and only include it for completeness.

C) zemaj was mafia and lying. 'Cause, you know, that's what they do.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is why he didn't role claim his true name?

Or can anyone think of reasons that we ended up with e Mike role claim as well as Ank showing up with the same role?

See explanation C.


Hmmm. Strange that both Drixx and Korialstraz are trying to defend zemaj in the same manner, after seeing the mafia flip. Was there a previous connection between those two? Why, holy rusted metal Batman, I do believe there was!

 

[korialstraz]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Hmmm. Strange that both Drixx and Korialstraz are trying to defend zemaj in the same manner, after seeing the mafia flip. Was there a previous connection between those two? Why, holy rusted metal Batman, I do believe there was!

I'm not defending, I'm hoping others will post their views on what happened during the night. Thanks for doing that.

If I was asked what I believe to be the more likely scenario, then I'd say Zemaj is anti-town and was lying. And in which case he had a very clever lie too, as he knew he was a regular mafia goon, and by role claiming the miller, he was certain that the results of his lynch would be identical to his claim.

But I won't rule out other possibilities. This is a Gorny game after all.

 

[Uraj]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Just to hopefully put this whole "Drixx's message can't be decoded without knowing how to do it in advance" thing.







Plenty clues in here about the code is using a very simple encryption with a very simple cypher invented thousands of years ago, and hoping a sheriff type role wil crack it.



Now regarding yesterdays votes, I've included below the list excluding ankeli (voted on by zemaj) and obviously zemaj himself.

coju [5].................(corax, Noodle, flippy, flubby, Drixx)
corax [2].................(Gullik, Ryleh,)
Drixx [5].................(Valhauros, Asrrin, Bad Ash, coju, kestegs)
Sathoris [2]................(Boogyman19946, Malevolent)
Feysal [1]................(Sathoris)

I'd very much like an explenation from Gullik, Rlyeh, Boogy, Mal and Sath as to why you didn't help get the lock on zemaj. Or at least why your vote stayed where it was at the end of D1. In fact I wouldn't mind having everyone that voted on coju and Drixx to do the same thing.

What's even more interesting is why Asrrin, PvtCaboose and Flip didn't vote at all. Explenations please?

I'd be willing to throw a vote on coju, if there was some momentum. Just seems to be a bit reckless, which worries me.

OK, Drixx.

vote: coju

Welcome Leo.

And I agree with Flubb and Malevolent's analysis, plus it always bothered me the way Sarth was first really heavy on trying to get me lynched, then changed his mind and declared me to be a good guy when another lynch train was getting started, then flipped back against me when there was a chance zemaj might not get lynched.

Vote: Sarthoris

 

[Uraj]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

O_O

I'm still in it. :O

:jig:


I don't know if Zemaj was really anti-town or not. I do not believe his role claim though, which is very fishy, as Ankeli showed up as Mike. However I found something that to me is interesting for the miller role. It may work differently in this game though.




The only thing that doesn't make sense is why he didn't role claim his true name?

Or can anyone think of reasons that we ended up with e Mike role claim as well as Ank showing up with the same role?

Three explanations exist.

A) He was a Death Miller. This role is considered to be a poor role to put into a game. Makes little sense, since he lied about his character name. Townies typically don't lie.

B) Gorny is lying to us about zemaj and Ankeli's flips. In this case, we should really just lynch people at random, since we can't trust the moderator's information. I refuse to consider this as a serious option, and only include it for completeness.

C) zemaj was mafia and lying. 'Cause, you know, that's what they do.



See explanation C.


Hmmm. Strange that both Drixx and Korialstraz are trying to defend zemaj in the same manner, after seeing the mafia flip. Was there a previous connection between those two? Why, holy rusted metal Batman, I do believe there was!

 

[RlyehExiled]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

@Leo

"1.) why was Drixx being pushed for a lynch? What made him suspectful to the people who voted for him? (Val, Asrrin, coju, kestegs)"

His over-defensivness against anyone who raised a case against him, enroached the thread making it impossible to focus on anything else.

"Rlyheh? Dentists?"

Rlyeh, here usually referes to me, but is acctually a sunken city where the great old one Cthulhu sleeps until he awakens to lay waste to the earth. [/ot]

Dentist is an anti-town role who is included in some of the mafia card games. At night he can pull teeth of people to stop them talking the next day. The "dentist effect" that happened night 0 was after Caliun got stabbed he couldn't speak D1.

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

I'm understanding you, Uraj. All non-zemaj voters have now moved to the list and should have an explaination why they couldn't, in good "conscience", vote for zemaj.

Including the above with the continuous dental subterfuge.

 

[korialstraz]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

I guess the thumbs up is aimed at CG? In which case I like how you neglected to include my reply...

@flubb: I asked for an explenation earlier as well (for the D1 lynch) and I don't think everyone replied to it then. We'll see how people reply now though.

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

BTW...Why aren’t we congratulating ourselves on lynching a mafia?!?!?

GYAAAH!!! We didn't lynch a townie, we lynched a freakin' scum-uh-lumma-ding-dong and no one is cheering/drinking/running around taking off shirts!!!


end of line

 

[RlyehExiled]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Hey someone asked Gory what dentist meant and he said to ask me. *shrug*

I didn't vote for zemaj because Drixx was a bigger ping with his sea-of-posts, everytime I tried to read the thread 10 new pages propped up, which was mostly drixx vs the world.

As such any read on any other player was being choked by this.

Looks like Uraj has a post restriction where he can only post images from NCIS, that one's kinda cool acctually.

Also I've never known miller to flip mafia before, just ping mafia if a cop investigates them. Also as for his claimed character being the guy who was nixxed, I think it's just a coincidence that people are trying to force a pattern onto. People are wired to see patterns where there are none, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Drixx is still at the top for the moment on my scumdar, for the same reasons as previously stated, plus the almost instant "I think Zemaj was really a mafia but...." after he flipped mafia, just seems too be to sow confusion.

Corax is lurking a lot, so he's second on the list.

I found a way to read people's posts in isolation so I'm going to do just that and see what else pings the radar before placing a vote.

 

[korialstraz]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Also I've never known miller to flip mafia before, just ping mafia if a cop investigates them. Also as for his claimed character being the guy who was nixxed, I think it's just a coincidence that people are trying to force a pattern onto. People are wired to see patterns where there are none, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Would others agree with this as well? If so then I'd say zemaj is most definately scum (GO TOWN! :jig.

But even if the exact mechanics of the miller is different from time to time, I'd still say zemaj was mafia, due to Ankeli's lynch and role reveal.


You get a lot of weird thoughts at around 8-9 am in the morning when you're not sleeping well. >_>

 

[Sathoris]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

"My bad"

Though I stand by my reasoning. The case was **** but we got lucky. So I'm glad I was wrong. I could've hold on to the Zemaj is a miller, but lying about his role knowing full well he would show mafia to us shows us he's really mafia and not a townie.

Post #406, #423, #426, #552, #563, look them up yourselves. You will find most of them Sathoris is defending/fighting for zemaj not to be lynched.

Vote: Sathoris

I'd be pretty stupid to openly defend my mafia brother like that. I also mentioned I only 'defended' him to show you were all voting for someone based on a faulty case. I wanted you to switch to Drixx, not save Zemaj and lynch someone else or no one.

What I think tells us more is the people who unvoted Zemaj after I made my post about his case. The VI unvotes but that can be disregarded. But behold! Malovelent shows up again. He's also piling on my wagon the first chance he got.

Vote: Malovelent

Do you know anything about how you got knocked unconscious Sath?

No

 

[Noodle]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Uraj, that's pretty scummy. You seem to be trying to make it look like I didn't vote for zemaj yesterday - I refer readers to post 551, where I clearly did. I don't know why Uraj is ignoring that and only looking at the previous day. Too much time spent messing around with photobucket, not enough time actually reading, or a deliberate attempt to obfuscate?

 

[Sathoris]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Uraj, that's pretty scummy. You seem to be trying to make it look like I didn't vote for zemaj yesterday - I refer readers to post 551, where I clearly did. I don't know why Uraj is ignoring that and only looking at the previous day. Too much time spent messing around with photobucket, not enough time actually reading, or a deliberate attempt to obfuscate?

Someone wants us to know he voted for a mafia...

 

[Goryani]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

O_O
The only thing that doesn't make sense is why he didn't role claim his true name?

Or can anyone think of reasons that we ended up with e Mike role claim as well as Ank showing up with the same role?

There was once a game where two different townies thought they had the same character name (not roles/abilities, just name). Even if that were true this game, the whole death miller thing isn't explained. I think it considerably more likely that zemaj was mafia trying to fake a claim.

BTW...Why aren’t we congratulating ourselves on lynching a mafia?!?!?

I think we're trying to decide if we actually lynched a mafia before celebrating lynching a mafia. If Ankeli were here, he might make a comment regarding some ironic self-loathing failure of not keeping all your mafia buddies alive.

Hey someone asked Gory what dentist meant and he said to ask me. *shrug*

Perhaps I was too subtle. Look at Ankeli's version of dentist and the certainty Ankeli had that Caluin Graye was doc saved. The killer may have thought he/she was targeting a power role.

I found a way to read people's posts in isolation so I'm going to do just that and see what else pings the radar before placing a vote.

That's a sanity saver. In case not everyone knows about it:
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/search.php?searchthreadid=812635
Filter by username or keyword or date or any combination.

It also doubles as a means to catch Gorny's secret messages.

 

[Sathoris]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

That's a sanity saver. In case not everyone knows about it:
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/search.php?searchthreadid=812635
Filter by username or keyword or date or any combination.

It also doubles as a means to catch Gorny's secret messages.

You can also just click on the number of replies in the community forum and then click the name you want. His or her posts will then show up aswell and you don't need to misspell any names.

Yeah my name is sathoris, Drixx. Not Sarthoris.

 

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Doh. Why did you point it out?

vote: Sathoris

The moment Gorny posted the lynch message, I was eager to talk about what had happened. It was not fun to sit on my thumbs for a day waiting for morning. From the mafia wiki:

A rather controversial twist is the Death Miller, whose alignment is shown as "Mafia" by the Moderator upon death. This has been argued and discussed in Ethics Threads as a source of distrust in the Moderator, which most people feel should not be tolerated. Thus, the Death Miller is an particularly scarcely-used role even in bastard mod games.
Use and Balance

Since there are no game mechanics given to us for this game, when I read that on a quick google search, I was pretty worried that Zemaj's claim could have been true. I assume from some of the byplay that all of us were given an NCIS character name, so the one thing that makes me fairly sure Zemaj was indeed mafia is that he claimed to be Mike Franks but then our night death ended up being Mike Franks.

Had a different person been killed during the night, it's very possible there would be absolutely no clue as to whether Zemaj was really mafia or not. By what seems to be happy coincidence we have fairly strong evidence that Zemaj was indeed mafia, simply because he chose a character which someone else actually had and that someone else actually got killed in the night following his lynch.

I, for one, would hope there isn't actually a Miller in this game, as the role seems pointless to me. And mean.

 

[Goryani]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

You can also just click on the number of replies in the community forum and then click the name you want. His or her posts will then show up aswell and you don't need to misspell any names.

You learn something new everyday. Thanks! So easy to see post counts now...

Had a different person been killed during the night, it's very possible there would be absolutely no clue as to whether Zemaj was really mafia or not.

OK, going to nip this in the bud:

zemaj was Merton Bell, Mafia Goon and anti town

I'm not sure if continued speculation is serious, in which case I point to Gorny's statements on the matter, or if you are trying to lead the town down a wild goose chase AGAIN.

Unfortunately, I think there is merit to discussing whether or not Ankeli was actually Mike Franks. A recurring plot of NCIS episodes is mis-identification of recently deceased. The NCIS team has to use their 'power roles' to correctly identify the body in order to solve the case. I'm not so sure zemaj mentioning Mike Franks was an accident. Most are aware of the janitor mafia role. What if mafia have a super janitor that alters the ID of a deceased? This brings up a number of issues, not least of which is that Cobb might be part of the mafia instead of a SK, making a lot of other assumptions invalid.

Crazy? Implausible? Headache inducing? Yes. Worth of a Gorny game? Absolutely.

 

[Caluin Graye]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

I don't think Sath is scum. zemaj's lynch was way too easy of a bus to hop on to. One lone scum trying to sway nearly the entire town off his scum partner is a waste of time and practically suicide, and Sath knows this.

coju, on the other hand, performing a "whatever, I'm not participating" action pings my scumdar a little bit.

zemaj: [17].......................(ankeli, Korial, Noammr, gullik, Uraj, kestegs, Gory, Gwaihir, Noodle, laarz, flubby, Drixx, coju, zemaj, Malevolent, flippy, Asrrin) [Laarz]

Why is Laarz's name listed twice, once in brackets unlike anyone else?

I'm still of the opinion that we should consider lynching Drixx today to test Korial's day 2 claims. Speaking of which, Korialstraz, do you have any new information to share?

Unfortunately, I think there is merit to discussing whether or not Ankeli was actually Mike Franks. A recurring plot of NCIS episodes is mis-identification of recently deceased. The NCIS team has to use their 'power roles' to correctly identify the body in order to solve the case. I'm not so sure zemaj mentioning Mike Franks was an accident. Most are aware of the janitor mafia role. What if mafia have a super janitor that alters the ID of a deceased?

This is a smart possibility, but I'd say that until someone comes forward with information that contradicts what we assume to know, that we just work with what's in front of us and carry on from there.

Also, I'm not sure that theory would line up with the story, since Franks spent the evening at Gibbs' house. Makes me wonder if Ankeli had a power role and visited Gibbs, or if it's just flavour.