Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Look,if we get zemaj's lynch out of the way, please let us focus on Drixx next. He keeps digging his own grave, and I would love to oblige him.

Unvote: Drixx
Vote: zemaj

I believe this puts it at 13.

unvote: zemaj

I don't want it to go to lock status just yet. Zemaj has a reasonable defense, and Asrrin has made quite a few posts, but none of them really put forward any new information. He merely plays upon other people and puts votes out. Getting a bad vibe.

Now what is the matter here? I like reading, magazines and things, but I can always put them down and retire for the night when I want to, I don't have to keep reading those into the wee hours of morning. You people never seem to stop talking though, even when there is little new being said.

One of you is certainly loud above all others. I think someone said his name was Dricks? Funny name, did you know it meant tips in Swedish? I learned that from old man Fredriksson, he likes to sing some old drinking tunes when he gets in the mood. Learned them in his homeland before the war, or so I imagine. He never talks about that much, he mostly just sings or hums to himself now, such a shame. He has no voice for singing you know. Mr Dricks though, he sounds like he could have a wonderful singing voice. I wonder why some people call him a liar? He seems like such a nice man when he is not throwing accusations around, which he seems to be doing quite a lot, come to think of it. Reminds me of that detective I saw on television, the way he questioned people. He always had one more thing to add when he was leaving too.

Oh, and Mr Jemage seems to be back too. I wonder if he has something interesting to share with us?

Bravo. Brilliant post.

Like Zemaj, I obviously have played this game with a different group of folks because it seems the majority of the attentive players have read my early game as scummy. Will be a shame when you all get my role reveal (be that when I die or at the end).

 

[Asrrin]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

I believe this puts it at 13.

unvote: zemaj

I don't want it to go to lock status just yet. Zemaj has a reasonable defense, and Asrrin has made quite a few posts, but none of them really put forward any new information. He merely plays upon other people and puts votes out. Getting a bad vibe.



Bravo. Brilliant post.

Like Zemaj, I obviously have played this game with a different group of folks because it seems the majority of the attentive players have read my early game as scummy. Will be a shame when you all get my role reveal (be that when I die or at the end).

Suddenly hesitant to vote your scumbuddy Drixx? I've not been "playing" upon anybody. I zeroed in on you and zemaj from day one. I've pointed out every slip up of yours I've seen.

 

[Gwaihir]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Actually ... the longer that passes without that 13th vote the more sure I become that zemaj is mafia. The reasoning is that if he's not mafia, surely there's a mafia or two in the game who have been post active and could "switch" or "agree" and finish off the voting without raising too much suspicion. Getting the town to kill a townie is a good day's work, especially with me seemingly on the hook for tomorrow.

I believe this puts it at 13.

unvote: zemaj

I don't want it to go to lock status just yet. Zemaj has a reasonable defense, and Asrrin has made quite a few posts, but none of them really put forward any new information. He merely plays upon other people and puts votes out. Getting a bad vibe.



Bravo. Brilliant post.

Like Zemaj, I obviously have played this game with a different group of folks because it seems the majority of the attentive players have read my early game as scummy. Will be a shame when you all get my role reveal (be that when I die or at the end).

So what just happened here? You unvote zemaj just as there is enough to lynch him? After all this do you no longer think him mafia?

Says who? It hasn't been established that your attack was by a player. It could simply be a part of the game. It's too soon to tell for sure but we have 2 nights and 2 attacks which appear to be separate from mafia targeted kills.

And of course my point of view is selfish. This game started with 26 players. That's probably gonna end up in a game that goes weeks if not into a 2nd month. Dying at the start of such a game is pretty crappy.

You seem to think that someone is randomly getting targeted by the game each night, and that Gorny is acting as this P2P killer? This seems very unlikely, have you ever played a game of mafia where something like this happened. I mean I have heard that Gorny likes crazy games, but that seems way out there.

ok, caught up & have a few thoughts:

First off: yeah, I laid low after realizing that having a different play-style from the usual = you get lynched. I figured someone else would show up & take the heat off of me long enough to be able to make a post without being set upon by wild dogs... as did indeed happen. Otherwise, RL reared its ugly head & decided I had to be away. Should I have made a "I'm here!" post? Probably, but I didn't... I hate extraneous filler, which seems to be about 20-30% of the thread already, and "if your not part of the solution...".

Secondly: I can now see why I seemed so scummy to many... watching Drixx dance around D1 has shown me exactly how my early attempts appeared in context of the way you guys play. Hopefully, I can now amend this somewhat.


also interested in hearing reasons for not securing a lynch (though I certainly glad it wasn't me, there should always be a lynch. Otherwise we get no solid info, just hearsay & assumptions).

anyway, I now cast my vote!

Vote: Drixx

withholding info is VERY anti-town, no matter your supposed intentions. I am surprised no one else has caught this. Only mafia wants info constrained to a few, lending to uncertainty & confusion... town should ALWAYS share all information possible.

Also, we MUST lynch today & not have another day of 'spinning wheels'. To this end, if time gets close & everyone hasn't decided, I'll lynch myself, just so the town has solid info to go on. I would prefer being dead & giving helpful info to being in a game where we all get whittled down by mafia & never get anything going ourselves.

Well volunteering at this point is quite generous of you. While this does seem to be the least scummy post so far, I still think you are the best lynch candidate as you have still not given any details. I would think being at 13 votes would convince you to roleclaim, especially as we don't even know if we get details on death.

 

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

I simply don't believe we should auto-lynch someone with 23 hours to go. There are still loads of people who haven't said anything substantive at all the entire game so far. Plenty of people haven't voted at all. Locking in the lynch 23 hours early robs us of information.

I'll thank you not to ascribe motives to my actions or call me a liar, thanks.

 

[coju]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Wow... And I was thinking drixx was cleared as being scum. Were we only voting for zemaj because he was gone and unable to defend himself?

I really need to read D2's postings. I've just been skimming over them, obviously missing TONS.

unvote: zemaj

I'll vote later in the 'day' when I actually read up on everything. (forget 'days' last 48 hours)

 

[corax1]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

I'll thank you not to ascribe motives to my actions or call me a liar, thanks.

I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. It is after all the point of the game to ascribe motives to actions and determine if you are lying.:whistling:

 

[Asrrin]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

I simply don't believe we should auto-lynch someone with 23 hours to go. There are still loads of people who haven't said anything substantive at all the entire game so far. Plenty of people haven't voted at all. Locking in the lynch 23 hours early robs us of information.

I'll thank you not to ascribe motives to my actions or call me a liar, thanks.

If the shoe fits...

 

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

So some interesting stuff late in the day. I mention that it's awfully strange how long Zemaj hovers on 12 votes so close to an auto-lynch and how that might indicate his mafia pals are hesitant to finish off the lynch, and then someone makes an "of course we would look at the final votes!" comment closely followed by Assrin coming in and putting the penultimate vote on Zemaj.

I then, being consistent with my stated strategy yesterday of not wanting to lock in the lynch too early and rob ourselves of valuable information, temporarily remove my vote. Who should then use my action as a screen to also remove their vote? Coju ... who was pinging the scumdar yesterday.

Interesting stuff going on in the byplay. Now that it seems relatively safe to do so again, and now that anyone who piles on and locks the lynch will be quite brilliantly lit in the spotlite: vote: zemaj

I've got to head to bed and have a longish day of class tomorrow.

 

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

If the shoe fits...

The problem is that, especially this early in the game, there's not actually any way to sift truth from untruth. You could randomly select any post in the thread (of substance) and put together a post attacking it and using it to point the finger. If the person responds in defense, then you're off to the races. You can literally make anything look bad.

My objection is really twofold:

1.) Someone took it beyond a game and went into personal namecalling

2.) If I give a reason for something, and you want to question that reason ... by all means do so. When you ignore my reasons and make up reasons without any support simply to besmirch my character, I think you've wandered a bit out of the intended play area.

Again, feel free to pick apart my reasons, but I'll thank you to not ignore them and make up conjecture to try and paint me personally with that brush.

 

[Gwaihir]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

I simply don't believe we should auto-lynch someone with 23 hours to go. There are still loads of people who haven't said anything substantive at all the entire game so far. Plenty of people haven't voted at all. Locking in the lynch 23 hours early robs us of information.

I'll thank you not to ascribe motives to my actions or call me a liar, thanks.

I may be confused about this game, so maybe you can point out where I am wrong. My understanding is that there is a minority of people playing this game trying to kill off the rest of us. This group of people accomplishes this by lying pretty much every day. So what is my goal then? To analyze posts so I can figure out motives and find who is lying.

So at least I think ascribing motives and and figuring out who is lying is a huge part of winning this game. So please forgive me if I do it falsely, but that is how the game works sometimes.

I am hoping you are not accusing me of name calling, pretty sure I have not done that. And you also did not answer my question. Why on earth would you believe that the P2P is some sort of game mechanic to attack random people? That is one of the most out there statements I have seen someone make this game. Do you have any specific as you say "reasons" for stating this, or is it just a wild conjecture meant to distract?

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

1.) Someone took it beyond a game and went into personal namecalling..

Oh quit being so sensitive...............Fatty

 

[Malevolent]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

So what just happened here? You unvote zemaj just as there is enough to lynch him? After all this do you no longer think him mafia?

Yes, this seems very odd drix, why take you vote off zamaj just as we could have lynched him?

Every post you look more scummy, and every post zemaj looks a little less scummy

 

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

I am hoping you are not accusing me of name calling, pretty sure I have not done that. And you also did not answer my question. Why on earth would you believe that the P2P is some sort of game mechanic to attack random people? That is one of the most out there statements I have seen someone make this game. Do you have any specific as you say "reasons" for stating this, or is it just a wild conjecture meant to distract?

Well ... from what I gather most of us are in the dark. Or am I the only one who doesn't know how many factions there are, how many anti-town, how many town, how many roles and which ones are roles?

The night one "injury" was a specific serial killer attempt with post/vote restriction. Night two was nonspecific... trying to make sense of it.

Oh quit being so sensitive...............Fatty

How did you know?

Yes, this seems very odd drix, why take you vote off zamaj just as we could have lynched him?

Every post you look more scummy, and every post zemaj looks a little less scummy

For the reason I listed. The rules say if you get to the "lock" number then the lynch is locked in. If that happens, everyone who hasn't yet voted is off the hook to vote. Everyone who hasn't yet made any substantive posts can just make posts that give us very little.

I don't think we should give anyone a free pass any day. Plus, taking my vote off him for awhile gave us all some more information. Look at what people said and did in response.

 

[coju]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

lol. This is funny. I don't even know why I voted for zemaj in the first place. Never got a real scum vibe from him anyhow. Other people may have. Other people may have not. I go with a lot of what people say here, and after trying to tally up and keep track with everything in D2, i stopped 200 posts ago.

It looks like a lot of back and forth wishy washing nonsense. Myself included: by unvoting zemaj.

I have to say that I'm going to go by my first instincts on these type of things for now on, unless it means my vote will be the decisive vote, just to push the game on.

Sath and Drixx are the top of my list. Drixx being number one. For one, he posted his defense without even being prodded for it at the beginning of D2. "Suspensions" of the story pointing at him, or something like that. Sath, because I felt some 'togetherness vibe" at the beginning of the game; now which I have forgot.

I'll vote and unvote who I please. It may have been because drixx unvoted because of his 'strategy' of not wanting to lynch early because of vital 'town' information. Drixx then, after seeing I unvote, proceeds to cast a vote on zemaj again.

I'll advice the rest of my fellow townsmen the advice of our most outspoken 'friend'
"Listen to me, I have all the answers. Follow me, and we will prevail," drixx. (I know you never said this, but it is what I get from your posts)

ANYBODY, I will say again, ANYBODY can say this. You have said so many things-I will go back and quote if needed-that anyone can say to appear town. You have been the most outspoken person in this game, and that may be your downfall. If you are indeed town, you're right, this forum plays different than other places you have played.

Anyways, I'll be casting my vote later on. It looks like it won't matter, since zemaj will prob be lynched. Which is alright for me: gives us vital information. Will switch the views away from drixx (if he comes up scum) and onto other people.

I do agree with drixx on a few things, I stated them earlier. Getting rid of people not contributing whatsoever will help the game further. Though, if we keep lynching towns-lurkers and mafia are killing us, we better start looking at those who are active.

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Yes, this seems very odd drix, why take you vote off zamaj just as we could have lynched him?

Every post you look more scummy, and every post zemaj looks a little less scummy

This isn't the most well thought out post I've read so far...

 

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

I'll vote and unvote who I please. It may have been because drixx unvoted because of his 'strategy' of not wanting to lynch early because of vital 'town' information. Drixx then, after seeing I unvote, proceeds to cast a vote on zemaj again.

Sarcasm and mockery may be intended to make the target look bad, but in the end you only demean yourself.

If you disagree with my assertion, please explain how I am wrong. I assert that: If we lock the lynch vote, then everyone who has not voted gets a pass on today. They don't have to vote and won't be viewed suspiciously at all for not voting. Anyone who hasn't posted anything will also get a free pass on today. They can simply show up and make their minimum posts for the day without saying anything of substance, and since the lynch is already decided for the day, they also get a pass.

Is my logic bad in there somewhere?

And yes, I've played with different crowds. Generally someone who doesn't interact with the game early on is viewed with great suspicion. It seems that here if you do interact with the game, you're viewed with great suspicion. Most of my posts have been defending myself from posts accusing me.

 

[Uraj]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

This passage bothers me. Mainly, the last sentence there. You speak like this is something that did happen, yet all I see is a vague reference between Uraj and Ankeli possibly talking about lynching someone else should zemaj be replaced. I don't see where someone else pointed out zemaj making a post towards end of day? It certainly doesn't read like you meant to say that hypothetically, so where was that stated? Was it in this thread?

Probably this post from Malevolent.

he will almost definately show up at the ned of the day and make 2 random posts.

Says who? It hasn't been established that your attack was by a player. It could simply be a part of the game. It's too soon to tell for sure but we have 2 nights and 2 attacks which appear to be separate from mafia targeted kills.

Cal has claimed here that he was informed that Jonas Cobb targeted him.

I don't want it to go to lock status just yet. Zemaj has a reasonable defense, and Asrrin has made quite a few posts, but none of them really put forward any new information. He merely plays upon other people and puts votes out. Getting a bad vibe.

I somewhat agree with this assessment of Asrrin's play. He has added a few bits against you, but hasn't shared any views on other players. The only exception being zemaj whom he claimed had a lot of early scum tells but was overall kinda vague.

 

[Gwaihir]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Well ... from what I gather most of us are in the dark. Or am I the only one who doesn't know how many factions there are, how many anti-town, how many town, how many roles and which ones are roles?

The night one "injury" was a specific serial killer attempt with post/vote restriction. Night two was nonspecific... trying to make sense of it.



How did you know?



For the reason I listed. The rules say if you get to the "lock" number then the lynch is locked in. If that happens, everyone who hasn't yet voted is off the hook to vote. Everyone who hasn't yet made any substantive posts can just make posts that give us very little.

I don't think we should give anyone a free pass any day. Plus, taking my vote off him for awhile gave us all some more information. Look at what people said and did in response.

I will admit to being in the dark, but I still try to come up with what I consider reasonable explanations. Once again, what reasons do you have for thinking that the P2P character is not run by a person when CG thought otherwise?

 

[coju]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Sarcasm and mockery may be intended to make the target look bad, but in the end you only demean yourself.

If you disagree with my assertion, please explain how I am wrong. I assert that: If we lock the lynch vote, then everyone who has not voted gets a pass on today. They don't have to vote and won't be viewed suspiciously at all for not voting. Anyone who hasn't posted anything will also get a free pass on today. They can simply show up and make their minimum posts for the day without saying anything of substance, and since the lynch is already decided for the day, they also get a pass.

Is my logic bad in there somewhere?

And yes, I've played with different crowds. Generally someone who doesn't interact with the game early on is viewed with great suspicion. It seems that here if you do interact with the game, you're viewed with great suspicion. Most of my posts have been defending myself from posts accusing me.

You may be right(concerning sarcasm.)

I don't feel like digging up where I found scum in your posts, but others saw it also. Your logic on waiting towards the end of day to lock someone is perfectly fine. It's just once I unvote, you proceed to vote again, throwing your logic out of the water. Do I need to say IMO?

At the last of your quote, "Most of my posts have been defending myself from posts accusing me." you defended yourself at the beginning of D2 without any notions of being attacked. Almost as if you knew the nights actions would lead to you. Defending yourself before hand is a great play of cards. I'll learn a lot from the way you've played drixx.

(If you care for some awesome music, relating to the post: 2:30-4:30 for the whole thing. 3:28-4-ish for relevance.)

 

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

I will admit to being in the dark, but I still try to come up with what I consider reasonable explanations. Once again, what reasons do you have for thinking that the P2P character is not run by a person when CG thought otherwise?

I didn't see a post where Caluin Graye thought it was an actual player. He just said it was the guy from the one NCIS episode. I'm just saying we don't know for sure that someone who is a player in this game has that role. It could be a twist to the game. Until we have more data I just think we shouldn't make assumptions that directly determine whether someone is good or bad.

And assuming that Caluin Graye was targeted by a player is a huge "good" assumption for him.