Tournament Idea: Nudist

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Tournament Idea: Nudist

The Nudist Tournament

In this tournament, the slots for helm, armor, gloves, and boots must be kept empty at all times. Personally I think belts should be allowed (where else would a nudist park his cell phone?), but I'm undecided about shields--any comments on these 2 slots?

Since the possibility of making guardian is kinda slim, I think it should be SC, single pass. The tournament would be judged on points, and would last 30 days. Skipping quests or WPs would be allowed, but it would cost you points.

Points: +1 per character level, +1 per WP, +2 per quest, +5 per act, +10 points per difficulty completed (including da cows, which counts as an act, +5 points), +50 for making mat/pat.

Any ideas, folks?
 
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I kinda figured something like this had been done before. But there are quite a few differences. For one, yours didn't allow any equipment, which I assume means weapons too. It's quite a bit more challenging than what I have in mind, since I was going to allow weapons and belts. Also yours was 2 years ago, so people might be ready for something like it again--it looks like yours was pretty popular. I wish I had been around then, I would've enjoyed it.
 
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SC? So... unlimited retries? So the tactic would be trying to sprint your level 50-whatever through Hell, and through sheer statistics eventually getting through? The person with the most determination to keep retrying wins, and so because it isn't a test of skill I'm uninterested. :(
 
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Hmm, I’d probably have to agree with Bob about it being hardcore or bust . . . there might not be a Guardian but it would still be fun to see how far someone could get!

Concerning equipment:

I’d personally probably be inclined to add shields to the list of slots that must be kept empty at all times. I think the challenge of naked characters comes from low resistances (probably . . . I haven’t done one before) and it is super easy is to stuff three pdiamonds in a shield and get a huge +57 boost to all resistances.

Belts, . . belts are good. My only thought would be if you were only allowing belts for making potions (and cell phones) easy to use; perhaps you might want to require that only normal ‘white’ belts be used.

As for weapons, perhaps characters could only equip weapons if they were going to be using them to directly make kills? For example, a Sorceress couldn’t equip an orb/sword/whatever if they are going to be using ‘Blizzard’ to kill monsters but a crazy nude Barbarian could equip a weapon to use ‘Berserk’ and an Amazon could equip a weapon to use ‘Strafe’. (This might give weapon wielding characters some advantage . . . but considering they’re wielding a weapon they would probably start at a disadvantage so it might all even out).

Also I was wondering, what about rings, amulets, and charms? . . and mercs?
 
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OK, you talked me into HC, white belts only, and no shields (that slot available for arrows/bolts or dual-wielding). :) I was considering allowing jewelry and charms...your opinion? Any merc allowed, but it must follow the same equipment restrictions. Your weapon restrictions sound a bit complicated, also even a blizz sorc might need a weapon sometimes--out of mana/no blue pots... The emphasis is on nudity, and I don't consider weapons and jewelry to be clothing.
 
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JayeM said:
I kinda figured something like this had been done before. But there are quite a few differences. For one, yours didn't allow any equipment, which I assume means weapons too. It's quite a bit more challenging than what I have in mind, since I was going to allow weapons and belts. Also yours was 2 years ago, so people might be ready for something like it again--it looks like yours was pretty popular. I wish I had been around then, I would've enjoyed it.
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Just thought id post my old one up so you could take a look at the ideas brought up in there and apply it to yours.

I second the HC suggestion!

As for allowing equipment, i like the idea about allowing white belts. I think the extra potion slots is vital and can save a lot of headaches and time.

Hans suggestion about weapon sounds good as well. I don't mind allowing a weapon...i guess it allows some "fun" with regards to item drops. Otherwise pretty much all item drops are pointless, regardless what you find.

I dont think Hans weapon restrictions is confusing at all. It makes perfect sense, you can only use the weapon if your actually physically going to use it. Not just hold it for its benefits. I like that idea a lot!



 
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JayeM said:
OK, you talked me into HC, white belts only, and no shields (that slot available for arrows/bolts or dual-wielding). :) I was considering allowing jewelry and charms...your opinion? Any merc allowed, but it must follow the same equipment restrictions. Your weapon restrictions sound a bit complicated, also even a blizz sorc might need a weapon sometimes--out of mana/no blue pots... The emphasis is on nudity, and I don't consider weapons and jewelry to be clothing.
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You could allow the sorc to have a weapon on switch for when they need to attack (probably not very often).

I also like the idea of allowing charms and jewelry.


 
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Let me see...how about if the character has non-weapon skills on left and right click, no weapon may be equipped? Since switch has different click settings, a sorc with, say, Ice Blast/left and Blizzard/right might have normal attack on the switch/left click and so she could have a weapon on switch. Also sorcs need a weapon starting out till they develop their skills and mana to the point where they use spells all the time. Druids in were-form still depend on their weapon-damage so they could equip weapons. Does a paladin with Smite on right-click get to use a shield?
 
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The attacks you are USING seem much more relevant than the attacks on each button. If I have "normal attack" on left and "blizzard" on right and am never (or rarely) using the former, benefiting from weapon mods seems a bit fishy to me. ;)

EDIT: The entire problem could also be completely avoided by permitting only white/grey items with no staffmods.

Sorcs don't need a weapon starting out. They can use their fists. (A weapon can help, of course.)

I do not see the point in allowing a shield exception simply to enable smite builds. I would just say that smite is not a viable build option for this tournament. ::shrug::

Why would jewelry be allowed?
 
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JayeM said:
Let me see...how about if the character has non-weapon skills on left and right click, no weapon may be equipped? Since switch has different click settings, a sorc with, say, Ice Blast/left and Blizzard/right might have normal attack on the switch/left click and so she could have a weapon on switch. Also sorcs need a weapon starting out till they develop their skills and mana to the point where they use spells all the time. Druids in were-form still depend on their weapon-damage so they could equip weapons. Does a paladin with Smite on right-click get to use a shield?
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Nah too confusing.

How about what i suggested?

You can only wield a weapon if you plan on physically using it to attack, be that "normal attack" or a "skill based attack" (i.e Fire Claws). If your character is a sorc and you use Blizzard as your "main" attack then you are not physically using a weapon....so in this case you cant use a weapon.

For amazons i would say using a Bow is still considered "Physically" using the weapon, despite it being ranged.

Paladins dont get to use shields.



 
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Sounds interesting.

I don't see the point of disallowing weapons to be used for 40% lightning res. or +3 blizzard, but allowed for 12-30 damage. What about +trap claws w/resistance on them? They could be used to attack with occasionally (or often), as well as for weapon block, resistances/passive bonuses, and +skills. What about barefoot kickers or trappers? Even if + skills are banned, IAS and weapon speed factor into kicking and traplaying speed, so you could just hold a fast weapon and get a benefit.

If weapons with +resistances are banned, then any bowazon lucky enough to find witchwild string will be unable to use it. If + skills are banned, then martial arts sins will be unable to use imbued claws, since they will spawn with staffmods, and possibly with +trap skills.

I can see the logic of either banning weapons completely, for complete nudism, or of allowing them all, since they aren't clothing. I don't understand the logic behind this proposed restriction. What exactly is it meant to stop, besides sorc orbs? Kickers aren't physically using the weapon, just benefiting from the passive IAS/weapon speed. If I use a combination of lightning traps and blade fury, am I allowed to use claws with +traps? (blade fury is also in the trap tree)

Weapons can have multiple uses, so 'intent' doesn't help much, you might intend to use a weapon for quite a few reasons. 'Main attack' is pretty clear for some builds, but almost meaningless for others.

How would the restriction deal with kick/trap/blade fury hybrids? Pre-buffing on switch? Would you be disallowed from casting minions in town with a weapon equipped because you aren't about to hit a monster with the weapon?

Would banning sorc orbs/staves and necro wands accomplish the goals of the restriction?

What about summons, especially multiple summons (druid/necro)?
 
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Morathi said:
Nah too confusing.

How about what i suggested?

You can only wield a weapon if you plan on physically using it to attack, be that "normal attack" or a "skill based attack" (i.e Fire Claws). If your character is a sorc and you use Blizzard as your "main" attack then you are not physically using a weapon....so in this case you cant use a weapon.

For amazons i would say using a Bow is still considered "Physically" using the weapon, despite it being ranged.

Paladins dont get to use shields.
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I think that works. A sorcs merc can weild a weapon anyway (for immunes). We should leave it up to the players discretion as to whether they consider that they are using the weapon for 'physically attacking'.

Edit: @ ancalagon: I think the rule should be that you can only use a weapon if you intend to 'phyiscally' attack with it most of the time and leave the enforcement of the rule up to the players discretion for the not so cut and dry cases.


 
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I agree with ancalagon. I had been in favor of no weapon restrictions, since restrictions open a whole new can of worms. But I did have another idea that I will mention for your approval:

[highlight]The Emperor's New Weapon[/highlight]

In the nudist country of Nudania, Emperor Varius insists that all his soldiers become proficient in a wide range of weapon types...

In addition to the no helm/armor/glove/boots/shield rules, The characters must change weapon type each act until Hell difficulty, where he can use the weapon of his choice. Starting weapon allowed until the weapon type chosen for 1st act is found/bought/gambled. Weapon types: Sword, axe, dagger, staff, mace/scepter, throwing knife/axe/potion, bow, crossbow, javelin, polearm, spear. There will be a 12th choice for assassin(claw) and sorceress(orb). Mercs must be of the current act, except for Act IV where any merc may be used.

Does this alternative strike anyone's fancy?
 
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JayeM said:
I agree with ancalagon. I had been in favor of no weapon restrictions, since restrictions open a whole new can of worms. But I did have another idea that I will mention for your approval:

[highlight]The Emperor's New Weapon[/highlight]

In the nudist country of Nudania, Emperor Varius insists that all his soldiers become proficient in a wide range of weapon types...

In addition to the no helm/armor/glove/boots/shield rules, The characters must change weapon type each act until Hell difficulty, where he can use the weapon of his choice. Starting weapon allowed until the weapon type chosen for 1st act is found/bought/gambled. Weapon types: Sword, axe, dagger, staff, mace/scepter, throwing knife/axe/potion, bow, crossbow, javelin, polearm, spear. There will be a 12th choice for assassin(claw) and sorceress(orb). Mercs must be of the current act, except for Act IV where any merc may be used.

Does this alternative strike anyone's fancy?
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I still feel strongly about my suggestion.

Making the player change weapon every act seems rather pointless, rather just adding to the annoyance of having to find another weapon and disregarding your previous one (which could be a weapon that you want all game). Also it wouldn't allow for a consistent game plan or build that a character would be hoping to strife towards or achieve, to overcome being naked.

For example: i am Valkazon and my goal is to find or make a weapon that is able to apply PMH, OW, Slow, Blind etc to the monsters, while my Valk does the killing. This wouldn't be possible if i have to keep changing weapons. Plus it would destroy the fun of finding a really good or useful weapon and then having to throw it away at the start of a new act.



 
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@jdkerr: I only asked about jewelry because it seemed obviously missing from JayeM’s list of must be kept empty at all times slots. (I was wondering if that was on purpose). I see no reason to allow jewelry either . . . but it’s not my tournament idea :nod:

I don’t really have a strong opinion about weapons (I could go for no weapons, all weapons or anything in between) . . . no weapons would be much more glamorous but prohibit some builds . . . so, if I had to take a position I’d probably stick with what I (and then Morathi) suggested.
 
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As morathis says the main problem with this build is that it restricts alot of characers I.E no Bowazons or Javazons.

Another option would be to allow every character to use weapons, but disallow certain weapon types (I.E wands, orbs, staves, possibly scepters).
 
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I'm leaning towards the Han/Morathi weapon suggestion now...also considering giving up jewelry, but keeping charms (they're not on the body at all) and white belts.
 
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I do like the Han/Morathi weapon suggestion and leave it up to the players discretion for the borderline cases (we are only playing for glory and bragging rights after all).
Most cases will be fairly obvious (I.E trapsin, summon necro, most sorcs etc.)
 
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How about this: a player may use weapons, as long as that player often kills monsters with physical damage from the weapon (assassin kicks and physical damage converted into elemental damage by a magical attack also count).

I also think pre-buffing should be allowed (even if the pre-buffing weapons aren't normally used to kill things), and dual wield should be allowed even if only one of the weapons is normally used to kill things (blade fury only uses the primary weapon).

That leaves plenty of room for hybrids, but prevents overpowered pure casters (a pure summon necro isn't going to be able to melee anything to death in hell with a 2-4 damage wand).
 
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