PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

[KremBanan]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

I repeat that I saw myself as a more Javazon orientated built and she'd benefit more from the + skills it [T-gods] offeres.

I know what you said, you just are wrong :thumbup:
Let me refrase my answer: For a PvM Fury Java, a Razortail is better than Tgods. The pierce from it will do more for you than the +skills. You can ofc have Tgods in your stash for the times you run down to Baal, but in almost any other situation Razortail is better.

 

[Ilumm]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

I know what you said, you just are wrong :thumbup:
Let me refrase my answer: For a PvM Fury Java, a Razortail is better than Tgods. The pierce from it will do more for you than the +skills. You can ofc have Tgods in your stash for the times you run down to Baal, but in almost any other situation Razortail is better.

I agree with you. I only use thundergods for baal. I use razortail for chaos sanctuary and ofc cows. For this build razor is even better due to the 15dex.

 

[KremBanan]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

The 15dex is third after pierce and the 10max damage Its the same as having a 10max grand charm in inventory, nice little bonus for the physical part of this build.

 

[Ilumm]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

I just won 2 ist runes here on the forum and i was wondering what to do with them.

One i will most likely spend on anihilius(to replace the one taken from my sorc).

The second will be best spent(in my opinnion) on p&m gcs(for penetrate/critical) and on res scs(i already have more than enough life).

What do you think?

 

[KremBanan]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

NN for PM-skillers imo. If, its either Javaskillers and/or max damage charms is the better.

 

[Ilumm]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

It still seems the xtra ar from pene/xtra dmg from critical and survability from valki/decoy.dodge/avoid/etc would be almost the same(they are also a lot cheaper).

 

[Kijya]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Ilumm, you're right that p&m skillers are an option. The math regarding charms is pretty tedious for this build, and which charm is better will depend on your general setup, if your're focusing on bow or java, etc etc.

Each hybrid will have different gains from all the charms, and much will be decided by the players preferance alone, so no pure generalization can be made on which are best.

An offensive bow setup favors +max charms or p&m skillers (check if the increased critical will do more then +max, not always the case but can be).
A defensive bow setup favors p&m skillers and life/res.
An offensive java setup favors java skillers.
A defensive java setup favors life/res and p&m skillers.


My own hybrid is a "defensive java setup" formost with focus on life/res charms (somewhat reckless offensive playing style so need the survivability from the defensive setup to survive). However, when I reached enough survivability I of course filled out the rest with offensive charms.

 

[Ilumm]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Ilumm, you're right that p&m skillers are an option. The math regarding charms is pretty tedious for this build, and which charm is better will depend on your general setup, if your're focusing on bow or java, etc etc.

Each hybrid will have different gains from all the charms, and much will be decided by the players preferance alone, so no pure generalization can be made on which are best.

An offensive bow setup favors +max charms or p&m skillers (check if the increased critical will do more then +max, not always the case but can be).
A defensive bow setup favors p&m skillers and life/res.
An offensive java setup favors java skillers.
A defensive java setup favors life/res and p&m skillers.


My own hybrid is a "defensive java setup" formost with focus on life/res charms (somewhat reckless offensive playing style so need the survivability from the defensive setup to survive). However, when I reached enough survivability I of course filled out the rest with offensive charms.

I curently opt between a combo of res/p&m/java (with life as 2nd atribute). I also plan to get a tals armor for even more res(and mf).
This way i can run chaos sanctuary with good res and about 200mf.

The main prob is that i have big issues with anything over player 3/4 in chaos.

Btw what is your opinion on the worthiness of runing river+chaos+diablo/wsk2,3+throne+baal/cows.

 

[MagpieLee]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Don't get me wrong I like Razortail.

But I went down from my 196ed T-Gods to the 188ed T-Gods (I added a Lem to sweeten the bemuzed dealer). This ladder is a sortof theme for me and Razortails can't go upto that 188ed range. Luckily my other Java hybrid (who uses FA) uses them so its all fine
Your suggestion of carrying it would mean carrying a T-Strokes, T-Gods and sometimes a demon limb...thats gonna way her down heavily lol.

Anyway, I have both a Java and a PM skiller and filled with res/dex charms. I've yet to include an anni in the equation but with 22 skill points left, and about ~70% chance to hit stuff (lower for bosses), I am confuzzled as to whether I should add into Penetrate. Most guides suggest 1pt in it and suggest +skill to do the rest. Should I take the plunge? I might whack on 5 hard points for the hell of it. I'm using Atmas which has 20% Bonus to AR and will upgrade to WF soon and try a HL for more damage

 

[KremBanan]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

You payed a 196ed Tgods+ a Lem, and you got a 188ed? I hope I misunderstood
But, I cant see a practical advantage with 50%enhanced defense more.

 

[NASE]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

You can't put a price on style.
Don't think you miss understood.

 

[MagpieLee]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Banana man check out my profile, there's a list of my collection and then you will see

Seriously though I'm trying to fiddle around trying to find my optimal set up without my merc using faith. She's currently using Harmony which is decent and I'm looking for a WF myself. I'll probably have to check my IAS BPs as well.
Any suggestions on it? Faith is a long way away and behind my HR RW queue headed by Enigma, Grief, Hoto, CTA etc.

 

[Kilp]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

First of all, nice quide, suited perfectly for someone building first Ama after coming back to D2LoD from ~5 years break :thumbup:

After grinding Pit and other similar places with my Hammerdin for ~1month, it feels really good to run CS with Gunslinger and not to worry about merch dieing on IM -> loosing Mediation aura and mana regen or those extra fast mobs with Fanatisc aura... Not to mention that personally my one attack wonder hammerdin is getting bid dull to play :crazyeyes:

Im having some mana issues with both javelins and bow that I deal with 2 rows of Mana pots and picking up every mana pot that drops. Would it be safe to assume that if I obtain Windforce I could leech mana fast enough to keep up what multi consumes and even regain full mana with strafe? At the moment with Harmony and 6ml in total Im barely leeching enough for strafe.

My "Gunslinger" is now lvl 90 with following budjet/semi decent gear:
-Kiras (15IAS Jewl)
-"Lionheart" Dusk
-Rare Gloves (+2 Passive'n'Magic, 20IAS...)
-Thundergods
-War Travellers
-Highlords
-Raven Frost
-Rare Ring (6ml, 7ll...)

-Titans (non eht, non upped)
-"Spirit" Monarch

-"Harmony" Shadow Bow

Inventory:
-Low Anni
-Low Torch
-Javask
-Passive'n'Magsk +26l

Skills:
-Maxed LF (35 with gear when using jav)
-Maxed LS (35 ...)
-Maxed SC (32 ...)

-10p Multi (15 with gear when using bow)
-1p Strafe (6 ...)

-10p Valkyrie (20 from gear)
-1p on rest Passives (13 with javs 9 with bow)

3 unassigned points, unsure where to use

Stats:
-181str
-429dex
-178vit
-51eng

20 unassigned points, unsure where to use (if I have enough str for monarch shield with different belt and armor)

 

[Kijya]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

First of all, nice quide, suited perfectly for someone building first Ama after coming back to D2LoD from ~5 years break :thumbup:

After grinding Pit and other similar places with my Hammerdin for ~1month, it feels really good to run CS with Gunslinger and not to worry about merch dieing on IM -> loosing Mediation aura and mana regen or those extra fast mobs with Fanatisc aura... Not to mention that personally my one attack wonder hammerdin is getting bid dull to play :crazyeyes:

Im having some mana issues with both javelins and bow that I deal with 2 rows of Mana pots and picking up every mana pot that drops. Would it be safe to assume that if I obtain Windforce I could leech mana fast enough to keep up what multi consumes and even regain full mana with strafe? At the moment with Harmony and 6ml in total Im barely leeching enough for strafe.

Yes, once you get one of the top tier, high damage, bows the 6 ml on your dual leech ring should easily be enough to keep your bow coming. With WF's extra ml on the bow it shouldn't be a problem to leech back to full blub in one or two strafe/multi. The javelin is harder to satisfy manawise but you can of course switch to bow to fill her up now and then even when using the java switch mainly.

My "Gunslinger" is now lvl 90 with following budjet/semi decent gear:
-Kiras (15IAS Jewl)
-"Lionheart" Dusk
-Rare Gloves (+2 Passive'n'Magic, 20IAS...)
-Thundergods
-War Travellers
-Highlords
-Raven Frost
-Rare Ring (6ml, 7ll...)

-Titans (non eht, non upped)
-"Spirit" Monarch

-"Harmony" Shadow Bow

Inventory:
-Low Anni
-Low Torch
-Javask
-Passive'n'Magsk +26l

Skills:
-Maxed LF (35 with gear when using jav)
-Maxed LS (35 ...)
-Maxed SC (32 ...)

-10p Multi (15 with gear when using bow)
-1p Strafe (6 ...)

-10p Valkyrie (20 from gear)
-1p on rest Passives (13 with javs 9 with bow)

3 unassigned points, unsure where to use

Stats:
-181str
-429dex
-178vit
-51eng

20 unassigned points, unsure where to use (if I have enough str for monarch shield with different belt and armor)

For skills it's hard for me to decide for you, but I'd spend them on more javelin synergies. Not like you should need them anywhere else so might as well put them there. Another option is 1 point FA, though it's not to nessesary since you have a strong valk, but fun to use sometimes (like minnions of destruction in baalruns or infectors pack in CS).

I'd try probably make sure I could use the monarch while using a razortail belt, but looking at your strength that doesn't seem to be any problems. Sink them in dex I'd say :thumbup:


How's your AR? If your arrows miss a lot it will of course deminish leeching, so if you've got a low cth you may wish to use some means of enchant (lava gout/obedience/demon limb).

 

[Kilp]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Thanks for the quick reply.

5041 attack rating, 73% chance to hit Storm Caster so I suppose that figure could be higher.

Ill give my dexterity some loving, I should have one demon limb somewhere for the enchant and ofcourse start looking for Windforce.

 

[nerflung]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

hey just thought i'd post and tell you how my zon is doing, finally got her built up at level 88 minus charms
currently using kiras with 15ias/30ed;45ar to demons, highlords, 1596GH fort 25res 1.5xlife, 175ed eth upped titans, +18/-15 monarch, shaeled WF, 50wartravs, 20/236 raven, razor, 5% bk, LoH, 38gheeds, 18/14/8 anni and 18/20 torch. merc is using shaft/gaze and 13fanat faith and i have mostly life charms in inventory currently with plenty of space. definitely room for improvement overall but it gets the job done
i was just wondeirng though which items do you think can potentially be replaced with mf gear? could fill up my inventory with mfscs or maybe res charms and use a shako instead of kiras..
i'm also a little unsure of what i should socket my titans with.. will i hit the last IAS breakpoint with a shael or should i just facet it? a bit confused as to how much effective IAS im getting from my faith merc (i assume 30?)
doing 4050 strafe, 3906 multi with max frames and 6776AR(will improve with charms); 3078phys/2785lit CS, 3509phys/1651lit LF with 13 skillpoints spare and 75/58/80/58res, 890 life in hell
very happy with the build so far.. managing 5:30 CS runs with a little tentativeness as i'm still new to the class.. plenty of decoys etc
thanks again for the great guide

 

[MagpieLee]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Firstly, you can't socket Titans revenge

MF wise, I know someone who went 3 part Tals. Helm, Armour and Belt and came up with good results as it offered good res with a big chunk of MF (65+88+15 and you can add upto 2 Perfect topaz/ists if you don't wanna socket the armour/helm with IAS).
This will probably decrease your performance with the bow side due to no forti and you'll have to make-do with the lowered pierce.

Shako vs Kira can work if your res can cope though. If you were on a budget (which you evidently aren't), I would pick a stealskull to keep your IAS,FHR and leech up (and upto 50%MF). Tals and Stealskull both have mana leech so you could drop your BK and use a Nagels.

 

[Kijya]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

i was just wondeirng though which items do you think can potentially be replaced with mf gear? could fill up my inventory with mfscs or maybe res charms and use a shako instead of kiras..

4 isted monarch is a good switch shield if you wish to mf. Together with WT's and gheeds that already potentially 190 mf. Another 100ish mf can be gotten from armor is you wish, though it of course lowers your damage quite a bit (I lost 1k bow damage when going from forti to enigma, eni lets you place more in dex but you still loose ~230 off weapon ed with that counted in).

75 res from kiras ~ 5 Gc's with max all res = 15 spaces
50 mf from shako ~ 7 sc's with 7 mf = 7 spaces

So IMO shako ain't worth it if you still need the res.

i'm also a little unsure of what i should socket my titans with.. will i hit the last IAS breakpoint with a shael or should i just facet it? a bit confused as to how much effective IAS im getting from my faith merc (i assume 30?)
doing 4050 strafe, 3906 multi with max frames and 6776AR(will improve with charms); 3078phys/2785lit CS, 3509phys/1651lit LF with 13 skillpoints spare and 75/58/80/58res, 890 life in hell

Can't socket titans, though you're already at the maximum bp since using a faith merc.

very happy with the build so far.. managing 5:30 CS runs with a little tentativeness as i'm still new to the class.. plenty of decoys etc
thanks again for the great guide

Glad you like it :thumbup:

 

[sevencreature]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Max resists on Kira's are 70, so 14 spaces 'only' (Shimmering scs of Good Luck for maximum pwnage recommended whistling) and you are free to wear your favorite natty Cracked Cap :thumbup: (or Griffon's, ok).

//seriously do they even exist? I have never even heard about 7%MF, 5@ scs (I wonder what would be price of one such charm :scratchchin

If you wear Tal's armor with Act 1 Faith merc you can still reach max breakpoints with WF I guess? Pretty nice.

Hmm, I have probably forgot to mention, that this guide is awesome (and also thank you for your nice Amazon tables :worship: ).

 

[Karky]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but what about Edge bow? I know it will only damage undead and demons, but there are a lot of undead and demons in the game, I went over the monster list, and there aren't that many LIs that are not undead or demon (most of them are in act3, a place I don't plan on spending a lot of time). I want to get harmony eventulally, but I'll need a Ko for that, would Edge work for killing undead and demons if I put it in an elite bow? I also have lycanders aim and a buriza, but I find the buriza to be slow and lycanders to lack dmg..