PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

[Kijya]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

I bet some of you could answer this...

Im working on my hybridzon, and will be using WWS for LIs. If my merc uses Reapers Toll, will the amplify dmg from WWS and the decripify stack?
I know a necro cant stack his curses except for attract, but what if the curses are cast by different "chars" (merc & I)?

Thanks!

They don't stack I'm afraid, however it's still a good way to apply "at least" one for them fast by having both you and your merc proc one.

 

[yourlocaldj]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

This is a great guide. Thanks for sharing.

I do have a few questions for the people on this board. I was considering maxing out guided arrow (higher damage) for the lighting immune since I figure my lighting fury will kill quicker than multi/strafe. I was also taking into consideration if some punk decides to go hostile. Basically, I was considering somewhat of a PVP/PVM hybrid zon. Here are some of the stats/gear I'm planning to use. Feedback would be most appreciated.

Stats:
Str: 95 (w/ no gear)..With gear, and charms, I'm hoping it will become 156 to use Pheonix/Stormshield (Plan to switch off)
Dex: 100 (w/ no gear)..Again with gear, I'm hoping to have decent dmg on bow.
Vit: Everything else.

Gear:
Helm: Vamp Gaze
Weapon: Faith GMB/Titans
Shield: Stormshield/Phoenix
Armor: Engima/Fortitude
Belt: String of ears

I'm just using regular boots and 20% ias gloves.

 

[Kijya]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

This is a great guide. Thanks for sharing.

I do have a few questions for the people on this board. I was considering maxing out guided arrow (higher damage) for the lighting immune since I figure my lighting fury will kill quicker than multi/strafe. I was also taking into consideration if some punk decides to go hostile. Basically, I was considering somewhat of a PVP/PVM hybrid zon. Here are some of the stats/gear I'm planning to use. Feedback would be most appreciated.

Stats:
Str: 95 (w/ no gear)..With gear, and charms, I'm hoping it will become 156 to use Pheonix/Stormshield (Plan to switch off)
Dex: 100 (w/ no gear)..Again with gear, I'm hoping to have decent dmg on bow.
Vit: Everything else.

Gear:
Helm: Vamp Gaze
Weapon: Faith GMB/Titans
Shield: Stormshield/Phoenix
Armor: Engima/Fortitude
Belt: String of ears

I'm just using regular boots and 20% ias gloves.

My guide doesn't really take PvP into consideration. As if a normal hybrid isn't enough, it's even harder making it for PvP, since you'll have to balance even more variables (life and res will have higher priority. If enigma then fcr more important, if not then frw must be high etc etc)

For a bow focused hybrid, try TienJe's guide:
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=573409

For a javelin centered pvp hybrid, I'd guess you can build as a pvp javazon and have faith (MB) on switch (the bow can be made into a cta for style points if you wish).

For a balanced pvp hybrid, I'll have to say that I myself don't have enough experience to guide you, and don't know where to direct you. Check the other guides and see if there's anything of interrest, otherwise I guess you'll have to wait for others to respond to the thread you made.



That being said ...
vamp gaze = you need a better one, griffon's or 45 ias. dr should come from stormshield mostly, then maybe from enigma/belt/ber rune.
faith GMB = you'd need 95 ias for 7 fpa, go with MB or use better ias gear.
ss/phoenix = use ss, phoenix doesn't work well in pvp.
enigma/forti = tele will require high fcr (99 I'd guess ...), both can work though forti is most common on bowzons ofc.
string = you need a better one, string is only good in lld/mld. Arach = fcr, nos coil = ias, dungo = DR.

Regular boots and 20 ias gloves? Sounds like a low budget pick ... you can't hold back on founds if you wish to pvp, you need to get better then "regular" stuff.

 

[nerflung]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

hi there,
i've read your guide a few times now, and i must say it is one of the most well thought out, organised and interesting ones i have ever read, and have thus decided to settle on it as my next new char/build
i have a few questions though - bear with me as i am typing this on very little sleep
i play hardcore and would like to focus on running CS/pits for MF/fun, though i already have a smiter and tk/orb sorc for MFing/ubering etc
here is my planned setup so far:

Helm: perf kiras w/ 15ias
Amulet: highlords
Bow: WF w/ shael
Javelin: eth titans
Shield: faceted monarch or perhaps stormshield
Armor: Fleece/AP fortitude
Gloves: rare +jav, 20ias etc / loh
Belt: razortail
Boots: war travs
rings: raven, rare dual leech
Merc: a1 cold faith, delirium, fort

str: 95~ base, depending on torch/anni
vit: enough for 1.1k-1.2khp unbuffed after charms
dex: the rest

bow skills: 4prereqs, 1 strafe
passive: 9 prereqs, 4 pierce(?)
java/spear: 4prereqs, 20 CS, 20 LF

i can get a hold of an anni/torch relatively easily, and should be able to get a hold of whatever skill charms etc that are necessary for the build.
i am a little confused as to where i should stick my next skill points however. ive read the entire stickied multi/strafe debate and still cannot make a decision. i am thinking of getting a level 17 valk after +skills just to be a bit on the safe side as ive already mentioned i play hardcore.
would i be right in assuming that with thie build, LF is used for medium-large(5-6+) packs, multi for medium-large(5-6+) LI packs, strafe for small(2=3) packs or spread out targets, and CS for bosses?
still new to amazons and still trying go get my head around it all, sorry if the questions have been answered many times before and thanks in advance for any help/advice you can give.

 

[Kijya]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

hi there,
i've read your guide a few times now, and i must say it is one of the most well thought out, organised and interesting ones i have ever read, and have thus decided to settle on it as my next new char/build
i have a few questions though - bear with me as i am typing this on very little sleep
i play hardcore and would like to focus on running CS/pits for MF/fun, though i already have a smiter and tk/orb sorc for MFing/ubering etc
here is my planned setup so far:

Helm: perf kiras w/ 15ias
Amulet: highlords
Bow: WF w/ shael
Javelin: eth titans
Shield: faceted monarch or perhaps stormshield
Armor: Fleece/AP fortitude
Gloves: rare +jav, 20ias etc / loh
Belt: razortail
Boots: war travs
rings: raven, rare dual leech
Merc: a1 cold faith, delirium, fort

str: 95~ base, depending on torch/anni
vit: enough for 1.1k-1.2khp unbuffed after charms
dex: the rest

bow skills: 4prereqs, 1 strafe
passive: 9 prereqs, 4 pierce(?)
java/spear: 4prereqs, 20 CS, 20 LF

i can get a hold of an anni/torch relatively easily, and should be able to get a hold of whatever skill charms etc that are necessary for the build.
i am a little confused as to where i should stick my next skill points however. ive read the entire stickied multi/strafe debate and still cannot make a decision. i am thinking of getting a level 17 valk after +skills just to be a bit on the safe side as ive already mentioned i play hardcore.
would i be right in assuming that with thie build, LF is used for medium-large(5-6+) packs, multi for medium-large(5-6+) LI packs, strafe for small(2=3) packs or spread out targets, and CS for bosses?
still new to amazons and still trying go get my head around it all, sorry if the questions have been answered many times before and thanks in advance for any help/advice you can give.

Seems you got most everything right.

Gear:
Should work fine, only thing I could comment on is that your merc doesn't have any life leech. Not 100% necessary since she's a rogue, but having something to fill 'er up after taking a poison attack is still good. CoH can do this for you without loosing deliriums ctc confuse. She doesn't really come anywhere near your damage output, even with a forti, so it's not that big of a deal if she replaces it.
For charms I firstly reccomend resist (+life if possible) ones until your've maxed your resists (if nessecery), then balance the rest with java skillers (life ones if possible) and max/ar (+life or frw if possible) charms. Really can't say anything more specific about that, it'll depend on your taste as you play her.

Edit: One thing, kiras gives CBF, so a raven isn't 100% mandatory. Still a good ring, but not necessarily the best.


Skills:
Since you play hardcore the higher valk is a good idea, and for running CS I highly recommend spending some extra points in multi. A couple more points in pierce might be needed to reach 100%. After that I'd just pump CS synergies.

If you have any AR problems (shouldn't be that much of a problem, high dex and the faith merc do provide a decent amount) you can use lava gout gloves for the enchant, or just some good max/ar charms. Spending extra points on penetrate really shouldn't be needed on the high budget wf/faith setup you've listed.


playing style:
You pretty much hit the nail when to use what skill, in general it's like that. Then of course you may use CS to kill some large non boss targets as well, and multi works fine even on non LI packs when you've invested enough firepower into it.

When encountering a mob with both non LIs and LIs in it I mostly use multi, "I'd need to arrow the LI's anyway some might as well bow them all".
Multi has a longer effective range then LF, allowing you to spam it in the though of hitting things that are still of screen. I use multi even on just "one" monster when I belive I'll be hitting more monsters that are of screen.

Think the video I made can be adequate as an example, excluding the teleporting it should still show a bit on when to use what:
http://mygamersvideos.onlinewelten.c.../ZHPuhhQy3rdd/

 

[nerflung]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

thanks for the quick response!
will adopt the suggested changes/suggestions (CoH on merc, res/life/java/max/ar charms and BK instead of raven)
i should have +5 all skills with the setup so far, so id get:
3 in pierce for 99%, 12 in valk and 10 in multi.. how many points would you suggest in strafe? and would a few points in the dodge skills to get each to around 50% be a wise decision? seen it mentioned in a few other guides
thanks again for the help

edit: oh, and the video is just amazing.. cant wait until i can build my char up to something near that level

 

[Kijya]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

thanks for the quick response!
will adopt the suggested changes/suggestions (CoH on merc, res/life/java/max/ar charms and BK instead of raven)
i should have +5 all skills with the setup so far, so id get:
3 in pierce for 99%, 12 in valk and 10 in multi.. how many points would you suggest in strafe? and would a few points in the dodge skills to get each to around 50% be a wise decision? seen it mentioned in a few other guides
thanks again for the help

edit: oh, and the video is just amazing.. cant wait until i can build my char up to something near that level

Note that you can cast the valk with java setup (where you'll have 2 extra +skills from titans).
For strafe I say go for level 8 after skillpoints, never regretted doing so myself.

As for dodgeing, I personally don't play hardcore so can't say it'd be useless for you, but I personally found 1/1/1 enough when using the non tele setup. It's a hotter topic for pure bowzons or hybrids that only use LF, since they have more spare points anyway. Still, you could equip passive skillers temporarly to see if higher d/a/e is for you.

 

[Sinn]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

im building a hybrid myself but since i lack wealth i have a quick question, things i have atm is WF (6%), Kiras, Atmas, Razortail, Titans, Stormshield/Spirit, Raven, 20 Ias/+2 Java Skill Gloves, Duel leech rare ring 5%LL and 4%ML Highlords, Andys, Torch and WT.

As you can see i dont list a Armor since i dont know what to use, i cant afford runes for a Faith Bow so i need 90 Ias, 40 from bow and 20 from gloves that leaves me 30 ias to gain elsewhere, i plan on having about 150MF on this char also, i get 39 from Gheeds and 47 from WT and have 2*7% SC, my question is what to do, if i strip my other chars i can perhaps afford CoH or Fort but dont want to spend all my wealth on the wrong item, if i go with a runeword i need to change helmet or Amulet and my resist will suffer greatly, and tbh i cant really see a Unique Armor being real good for this build.

I have a few resist charm i can use but i would like to leave some squares free for items i find, and those resist/life charms cost more than the whole setup all together, so those are not a option.

So my question is what setup would be the best.

setup 1
WF(sheal)
Titan/Storm/Spirit
Andys (ias jewel)
Atmas
WT
Raven and rare ring
Ias Gloves
Razortail
CoH or Fort

Or setup 2
WF(sheal)
Titan/Storm/Spirit
Highlords
Kiras(ias)
WT
Raven and rare ring
ias Gloves
Razortail
CoH or Fort

Or setup 3
WF(Sheal)
Titan/Storm/Spirit
Atmas
Kiras(ias)
WT
Raven and rare ring
ias Gloves
Razortail
and then some Unique with Ias jewel in or a runeword i dont know and can afford.

if anyone who have tried some of these setups could point me in the right direction it would be great, and faith cost 2 expensive runes so thats a no go for me, just started playing on ladder 2-3 months ago.

Kind regards Sinnerster.

 

[crawlingdeadman1]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

man, look no further than treachery. it wont help your lightning side one iota, but it's got everything a bowazon would want.

a good alternative would be a vipermagi. it's what my current bow/jav hybrid is using (though she's not a physical zon at all). i've got mine socketed with an ias jewel to help with that end. when you look at it, it's like a mini coh that you can socket:
coh:
65 res
2skills
20str
life leech
ed% to certain monster types
it really is the very best choice for an armor for this build, imo. it has everything you need for jav side and only loses out a little ed% vs fort

vipermagi:
35 res
1skill
fcr (really it helps when you're using decoy. i've noticed it before and it's nice)
socket (great for that missing ias you need.

also worry about res a little less. you're primarily a ranged attacker. sure you have a great CS, but mostly you should be at range. i'd honestly change to an andy's or steelskull. both have ias and leech and nothing beats steelskull for a bowazon looking to increase her mf a bit. andy's has the 2skills as well as the 20ias. i use mine on my gunslinger as it has a huge chunk of str too. i only really miss that it doesnt have mana leech whereas steelskull does.

 

[Sinn]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

ok ill look that up, its the Assa Armor right?? and will WF do enough dmg without dmg from a armor??

thx for the answer

 

[crawlingdeadman1]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

sure it does great, wf is the damage bow. try and get high dex to help with ed%. i also edited my post above before you replied so check out my viper/coh comparison.

 

[Sinn]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

ok thx for taking your time to answer this, ill start with Treachery since its ok cheap, then when i gain abit more wealth i will try and get CoH so i dont have to strip my other chars now, and i can still strike gold on a good skiller without much MF.

like i said thx for taking your time

kind regards Sinnerster

 

[Sinn]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

ok so this is the setup i will aim for before i can afford CoH without stripping all chars.

WF(Sheal)
Andy(Ias jewel)
Atmas
Lionheart Armor (knew i missed one)
Ias Gloves
Razortail
Raven
rare leech ring
WT

and when wealth comes my way i just change Lionheart for CoH

my merc will use

Reapers Toll (Amn)
Shaft
and Gaze

and when i get super rich i swap for a act 1 cold merc and use Faith.

regards Sinnerster

 

[crawlingdeadman1]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

i dont feel like there's much that atma's offers this build. it kills physical immunes, sure, but isnt that what LF is for? go with highlords or if you dont need the ias, 2zon ammy (or mara's).

 

[Sinn]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

i thought it would boost my bow dmg really much, i remember back in the Cow lvling days, burizons rules there, but perhaps they have changed something other than physical dmg in hell, like how amp works or something (tho seems to work fine for my Necro :yes: ) but im pretty sure you know more than me so ill take you advice, but then i can socket my helm with something else like MF or %ED

 

[nerflung]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

thanks again for the help, just one more quick question..
which bow should i stick faith in for my merc? they cant use amazon only bows correct?

 

[Kijya]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

i thought it would boost my bow dmg really much, i remember back in the Cow lvling days, burizons rules there, but perhaps they have changed something other than physical dmg in hell, like how amp works or something (tho seems to work fine for my Necro :yes: ) but im pretty sure you know more than me so ill take you advice, but then i can socket my helm with something else like MF or %ED

It does up the bow damage when triggered, but as a hybrid we don't need atmas as much as the general bowzon might do, we can simply electrify PIs.

thanks again for the help, just one more quick question..
which bow should i stick faith in for my merc? they cant use amazon only bows correct?

Great bow is my pick, but you can compare them yourself if you wish, table 07 in the amazon tables.

 

[crawlingdeadman1]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

if you ever think you may use it on some other character my pick is shadow bow. it has good damage and low str req for it's speed (note: it's not as fast as a great bow or blade, but over all i like it for non zon, non merc characters)

 

[Sinn]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

after using this whole weekend trading runes back and forward i got my hands on a Faith Hydra bow with 1/14 stats, my merc can use it at lvl 82 (im lvl 81 atm) is there any reason why i cant use this?? i know its slow and wont proc so many innersight and so on but is there any other reason??

if i give her Treachery and Andys helm along with the Faith bow will she fire any faster or is it a set speed and no ias can change that.

also does the 10% Reanimate As: Returned work on my merc or is that only when i myself would use the bow.

kind regards Sinn

 

[Kijya]

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

after using this whole weekend trading runes back and forward i got my hands on a Faith Hydra bow with 1/14 stats, my merc can use it at lvl 82 (im lvl 81 atm) is there any reason why i cant use this?? i know its slow and wont proc so many innersight and so on but is there any other reason??

if i give her Treachery and Andys helm along with the Faith bow will she fire any faster or is it a set speed and no ias can change that.

also does the 10% Reanimate As: Returned work on my merc or is that only when i myself would use the bow.

kind regards Sinn

Your merc can't really compare to your own killspeed, so loosing a frame or two on her attack speed is much of a problem. I've even used a 10 wsm exceptional bow at one time and it worked fine.

She should fire faster with some ias, but again, you don't really need her to kill. If you still wish to give her some attack speed 35% would give her 10 frame attack, and 70 would give her 9 frame attack.

The procing of returned will work on the merc to.

Cheers