PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Kijya, Im plainng of making a harmony, coz im poor atm.

What do you think is the best bow to make it in? Should it have high IAS, or dmg, etc?
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

matriarchal bows are the best.
If you really want, great bow are fast and can be transferred to merc once you find a better bow yourself, though mat will give you more damage and will give you skills.
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Hey Kijya, I might be leaning more towards the javelin side , is that fine?

So my question is, where will I get my bowa dmg from? Is it only from Faith and Fort?

Because I wanna use Griffons as my helm. to further boost my java light dmg
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

iLoveSoccer said:
Hey Kijya, I might be leaning more towards the javelin side , is that fine?

So my question is, where will I get my bowa dmg from? Is it only from Faith and Fort?

Because I wanna use Griffons as my helm. to further boost my java light dmg
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Sure it's fine.

Bow damage can come from; bow, fort, charms, dex, auras, and jewels (ias with ed or +max) mostly.
Helms can hold jewels, but doesn't do that much else for your bow damage (apart from IAS). If you wish to use griffons and fort or enigma then you will not reach 7 fpa multi with a GMB, a matri bow can still reach it, or you could focus on strafe which requires far less ias to be at it's best.



 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Kijya said:
Amulet: +2 java rare/crafted/unique
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euh oeps...


Has anyone tried the mid-cost setup? What kind of damage may one expect to find in that setup? And what shield would you advise for someone at nonladder? Spirit seems a bit high cost, rhyme doesn't offer that much. So sanctuary seems like the only usefull one assuming that I want resistance, right - I'm rinding a self found mode at the moment, so ko ko mal will be a problem. Any other suggestions?
Second, do you really think harmony will underperform compared to wws? I really like harmony so I'll probably be using that one.

P.S. I've heard stories about an Azurewrath on a act 3 merc - to knockback undead. Might be nice to experiment with if you have one.
I will though it's ladder-only.
again...



 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

good shields are splendor, lidless, and mosers. you can cheap out on azure by using lawbringer. it also has sanctuary. (edit: crap it's ladder only too, sorry)

harmony is good. side by side i'm not sure which i prefer (wws or harmony).
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Im confused as which shield to use.

Phoenix - I absolutely love it. Is the delay really annoying?
Spirit - Kijya you mentioned that the fcr is good for nigma users. However If i just run mostly, and tele for walls, etc, do i REALLY need to hav ehigh fcr?
Faceted monarch - I am starting to like this shield. What base mods am I really looking for? Basically its just 4 soco monarch socketed with light facets right?
 
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iLoveSoccer said:
Im confused as which shield to use.

Phoenix - I absolutely love it. Is the delay really annoying?
Spirit - Kijya you mentioned that the fcr is good for nigma users. However If i just run mostly, and tele for walls, etc, do i REALLY need to hav ehigh fcr?
Faceted monarch - I am starting to like this shield. What base mods am I really looking for? Basically its just 4 soco monarch socketed with light facets right?
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Yes the delay is annoying in my opinion, as a hybrid you might need a few more throws or pokes compared to a pure java, and phoenix stops you from doing them in quick succession.

Nope, not really, even a slow tele is good enough when you're just using it to pass such obstacles.

4 socketed monarch with facets yes, you can only get them either plain or magic. The magic ones can have an additional suffix on top of the prefix (that is needed to get 4 sockets on them).
The famous JMoD is a bit wasted on our zon, since she probably has high dexterity anyway to get higher bow damage, so the increased chance to block isn't needed to reach max block.
Magic ones in general are dead hard to get hold of, a plain will work just fine.


NASE said:
euh oeps...


Has anyone tried the mid-cost setup? What kind of damage may one expect to find in that setup? And what shield would you advise for someone at nonladder? Spirit seems a bit high cost, rhyme doesn't offer that much. So sanctuary seems like the only usefull one assuming that I want resistance, right - I'm rinding a self found mode at the moment, so ko ko mal will be a problem. Any other suggestions?
Second, do you really think harmony will underperform compared to wws? I really like harmony so I'll probably be using that one.

P.S. I've heard stories about an Azurewrath on a act 3 merc - to knockback undead. Might be nice to experiment with if you have one.
I will though it's ladder-only.
again...
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Oops, ama skills ofc, not only java :smiley:

Harmony and wws are indeed hard to decide between. I'd choice like this:
strafe = wws
multi = harmony if I can get a matri one, otherwise wws.

I say strafe knockback should be better in most situations when compared to sanctuary aura. Losing might (and maybe decrep from reapers?) probably hurts your damage more then it's worth, though in a doll area one might consider it further.



 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

In chaos, mele mercs are out of the question. Now seen that I will probably use harmony myself, act 1 mercs are out of the question as I simply don't have any good bow to give them. That leaves mele barb - agian mele is a no go - and that leaves us with act 3 cold mercs, as those are the best.
That leave us with spirit - I have two of them, though only good for the merc - Last Wish - ladder only and freaking expensive, though comes with might - or something else with an aurea. The only something else thing I've found are those sanctuary aurea's swords.
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

On a lower budget I'd think hearding the oblivion knights for your LF will be more important then your mercs ability to kb undead, at least in cs.

Only cheap auras when worn for non mele mercs are sanctuary (Azurewrath, Lawbringer), thorns (edge) and vigor (harmony).

Vigor merc would probably be my choice between them, but if you're using it yourself then it's not many options left. You could have a look through the ctc items and see if there's anything left that looks fun.

1 point FA should be better then the cold merc for freezing when needed.


Skill granting items link in sign of course :azn:
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

A3 mercs can not wield Azurewrath, can they? The dexterity requirement is too high.

Ah yes, you are right :)
 
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Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

I absolutly love this build, and your guide for being so clear on the descriptions of every aspect for the build.

I however, make all my PVM characters into MFers so I'm not wasting too much of my time when I'm having fun. I ended up switching my facet'd shield, fortitude, and kiras for a delerium, skullders, and a rhyme shield. However this takes my resists from nearly maxed, to barely in the positives.

Would you recommend running a MF setup like this, or just tone down the MF for a bit more survivability. I've always felt right above 300 as my ideal zone, but I'm finding with this low of life, I should be more inclined to survive.

I've also really loved having delerium, whether on my merc or myself, for the help it does against giant mobs, and especially archer packs when I cant get a decoy down to pull the pressure off me.

For what its worth, I'm east hardcore ladder. I've built dozens of glasscannons before so dont assume because hardcore I should have stacked res and 50% dr or somethign :P
 
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AnimageCGF said:
I absolutly love this build, and your guide for being so clear on the descriptions of every aspect for the build.

I however, make all my PVM characters into MFers so I'm not wasting too much of my time when I'm having fun. I ended up switching my facet'd shield, fortitude, and kiras for a delerium, skullders, and a rhyme shield. However this takes my resists from nearly maxed, to barely in the positives.

Would you recommend running a MF setup like this, or just tone down the MF for a bit more survivability. I've always felt right above 300 as my ideal zone, but I'm finding with this low of life, I should be more inclined to survive.

I've also really loved having delerium, whether on my merc or myself, for the help it does against giant mobs, and especially archer packs when I cant get a decoy down to pull the pressure off me.

For what its worth, I'm east hardcore ladder. I've built dozens of glasscannons before so dont assume because hardcore I should have stacked res and 50% dr or somethign :P
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wartrav + gheeds can be up to 90 mf, then something minor from somewhere an you have 100, top it with a 4 isted monarch for 200.

250 if you use shako with ias jewel, or 25 from delerium? chains of honor got 25 and makes up for some of the lack of resistance from other places.

A few mf charms and you've reached your desired 300 mf :azn:


By all means do not throw away to much safety for mf if you're on hc, but of course the area you run will determine how much danger there is in lowering your resists.



 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Oi Kijya, you mentioned this is a good char for running chaos even in 8 player game.

Does that mean you have to use light skills basically and change to bow when you encounter LIs?
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

iLoveSoccer said:
Oi Kijya, you mentioned this is a good char for running chaos even in 8 player game.

Does that mean you have to use light skills basically and change to bow when you encounter LIs?
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Either that, or depending on your focus you can get a strong enough bow so you can use CS only for diablo and bow for rest if you wish.



 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Oi Kijya, I maxed CS and LF, however I plan on maxing 1 more synergy therefore 60 points, and my plan is to put the remaining 20 in freezing arrow. Is that good enuf WITHOUT synergy ice arrow?

If i dont put in 20 freezing arrow, where do i put it =P

EDIT: hahah kijya may I ask you something? where did YOU put ur remaining skill points into? =D

I also realized that Freezing arrow is just for freezing groups of enemies right? Or is it used to damage enemies too?
 
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Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

20 points unsynergized FA will be rather weak, if you wish to use FA for damage then you should try the fishy guide.
If you thought about increasing it's duration by adding points then use cold damage charms instead. FA doesn't gain duration from adding more points in the skill itself, and ice arrows added duration is to low to justify spending points in it. The fishy guide should cover the further details regarding how FA works.

20 points into another lightning synergy doesn't hurt, but I don't know enough about your setup and playstyle to determine where your points will fit best. Is your walk strong enough? Do you reach 100% pierce with razortail? Is your multi covering enough area? If yes then another synergy would be my choice.

Edit: My zon can be viewed in the zon showoff thread, link in my sign. Yes FA is only for freezing once needed, kb does the job most of the time, but against, lets say an extra fast fana lister pack, there FA can increase the safety greatly.
 
Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

Thanks for posting this guide, it's always nice to see devoted non-standard amazon players.
I might have one (well, maybe two) rather silly questions though.

1) Boots:rolleyes: I made a survey among people I know for decent knowledge about amazons, and they claim that using gores is generally better for 90+ chars with close-to-high-end equipement, while War Travs are nicer for the development stages. Is it true (regarding the standard eq you mentioned)?

2)I don't like the idea of having a merc with me, I'm rather aloof, you know:prop:
I understand that without her I'll need more ias, and first thing that crossed my mind was just mavina's helm. Oh, and I'll use fort/windforce if that matters.
Do you think it is an option, or without merc I'll lack too much to call my ama a "gunslinger"?

As you may've noticed, I tend to be pushy, but any answer will be very much appreciated.
Regards,
Tym^^
 
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