OT: Mafia game

[SiTro]

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Furthermore it doesn't fit with what we've seen of Aman's umpiring. He decided to modkill Dii and kertin$ stating that otherwise he would have to reverse his decision on Hey. From what I can see he's been quite consistent there and so the assumption would be that he would have a similar approach to handling PM's.

Now, to my mind, moving from just revealing a target to be mafia to also identifying the faction they came from is a little less than consistent.

This does rest on how strong the above assumption is though.

 

[Crowd Control]

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I am on the same page with you. Though I found his ruling about Kertin and Dii way too harsh. That wasn't necessary at all, since it was accidental. Anyway, that happened indeed. And I do think Aman is consistent enough to not make such mistakes.

Prime suspect:
vote: Vorstelman

 

[Aman]

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For me to comment would be unfair, but i believe i have been fair in the way things have been handled.


@Question asked earlier :They were mod-killed so I don't share their roles

 

[Aman]

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I only think the Dii decision was harsh, Kertin posted 3 times(not just a few mins after my post)

The only fair thing to do was kill them all

 

[vorstelman]

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Im going to bed now, so i just want to put up a last couple of things that you guys can ponder on all night. (im going to keep a couple of things in my mind though until liq posts)

Here is what i see can happen at the end of the day.
situation 1) You guys don't believe me and vote for me. I get lynched and it wil reveal my role:
1a) my role is revealed as ''cop'' wich means you know liq is mafia
1b) my role is revealed as ''mafia'' wich means i was lying but you still have no idea on what role liq might have.
situation 2) You guys do believe me and vote for liq, he wil get lynched and his role wil be revealed:
2a) His role is revealed as ''mafia'' That means i wasn't lying but wil most certainly be killed the next night.
2b) his role is revealed as ''insert some towny role here'' wich means you know i was lying and i wil probably die very soon.
Situation 3) you guys vote for some random person and nobody or someone other then me or liq gets lynched: Wich means you still don't know who is who and we will still be in the same situation as we are now.

now for the town any situation exept #3 would be a good one since 1a) You know a mafia for sure, 1b) you killed a mafia, 2a) -1 mafia yet again, 2b) you know a mafia for sure again.

So exept for a attempt to help the town what reason would i have to tell i am the cop.

i will post some more tommorow, 1am here already :/

 

[vorstelman]

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oh, and exept = except :tongue:

 

[Crowd Control]

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You may edit if you want :evil: .

 

[Crowd Control]

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Besides I think you didn't got lynched last day, because a revealed cop is a dead cop. You're not dead, so there's no reason to let you stay alive again over night. Only to see you live to see another day.

 

[Thyiad1]

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I still think vorstelman is the least of our worries. Worst case scenario he's an idiot (in game vorsty) and is trying to get himself killed.

I think Liq is a bigger fish. ZY successfully predicted that he would die and that the implication is Liq is lying about his role and is in fact mafia. So Liq almost got killed, lived and ZY dies the next day. Too convenient for my taste.

We almost had a consensus before, let's lock that lynch in now. Vorstel is irrelevent. If the mafia believed he was a cop he'd be dead by now.

 

[Liquid_Evil]

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I don't believe the note is a double set up. That presumes the two groups would be working together. I can't see that happening.

I didn’t say anything about the groups working together. (Which I think wouldn’t work well and would actually be one big group). What I said was that they were both trying to do the same thing. I’ve been almost lynched, my name has practically been spelled out in a death note, I’ve been in the spotlight the entire game, and the guy who dies says that “if he dies, look at liquid.†Isn't that too convenient for anyone but me? You don’t think that combination would be an excellent way to ensure my death today?

ofcourse for me there was only 1 obvious person to investigate this night. I thought i would get killed this night but somehow they wen't for Zhao. Without thinking a second about it i investigated Liquid. To bad for him i didn't find out he was a ''coroner'' instead i found out he is part of the mafia group murder inc.

No Coroner eh? Then you haven't dropped your act and must be lynched as soon as possible. Lying to ignite a debate is one thing, but lying about your role and the role of others only serves to hurt the town.

So if you are telling the truth (which you aren’t), then that means that:
A) Aman is sloppy and didn’t give you the group name of the Mafioso you investigated the first night? Since Aman is a flippin’ drill sergeant when it comes to rules, I doubt that very much.

B) What you are saying you believe is true. I doubt this as well because that would imply *three* mafia groups. Murder, Inc., the Midnight Killers, and these now unnamed ones. Three mafia groups would decimate a town! There’s no way Aman would have worked that into the rules. (And really, since I haven't investigated anyone from Murder, Inc. and the town hasn't lynched one, we don't even know for certain that they officially exist. It could be the signature of a different group just trying to mess with us.)

C) You screwed up your story, plain and simple. You forgot that you had listed Gorny as a regular mafia and then when you are deciding to fabricate this latest one in an attempt to kill me, you decided to add on a mafia group to make it sound that much more plausible. Oops. You should have read your stuff twice before posting a glaring mistake like that.

Yeah, option C is the only one that makes sense. Real cops would never come forward this early. To have me believe that a real cop (the town’s only real power role!) would sacrifice himself to net a lone Mafioso on day 1? I guess I just can’t swallow that pill. My vote stands.

 

[Crowd Control]

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But, it's not unthinkable there's a VI in the game.

And why couldn't you identify Zhao's body today? Or did I miss something here?

 

[Thyiad1]

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I didn’t say anything about the groups working together. (Which I think wouldn’t work well and would actually be one big group). What I said was that they were both trying to do the same thing. I’ve been almost lynched, my name has practically been spelled out in a death note, I’ve been in the spotlight the entire game, and the guy who dies says that “if he dies, look at liquid.” Isn't that too convenient for anyone but me? You don’t think that combination would be an excellent way to ensure my death today?

I think it's too obvious that it's too obvious. You forget Liq I've seen you play Mafia before in the SPF. I know how devious you lot are. Putting your own name in that note as a smoke screen is exactly the sort of thing you would do. That's exactly what I think you did do.

No Coroner eh? Then you haven't dropped your act and must be lynched as soon as possible. Lying to ignite a debate is one thing, but lying about your role and the role of others only serves to hurt the town.

*smokescreen alert #2*

Liqy I think you're blowing stuff here and it's getting out of hand. So Vorty may well be stupid to pretend to be a cop. Irrelevent. If the mafia believes him tomorrow and kills him, that's fine. But I'm much more interested in you. I think you're using the "oh people are trying to frame me" along with diversion tactics against vorty. Won't work with me. I think you're mafia.

C) You screwed up your story, plain and simple. You forgot that you had listed Gorny as a regular mafia and then when you are deciding to fabricate this latest one in an attempt to kill me, you decided to add on a mafia group to make it sound that much more plausible. Oops. You should have read your stuff twice before posting a glaring mistake like that.

Yep vorty probably did do this. Doesn't make him mafia, it makes him careless.

You almost got lynched last round and I'm still ashamed I let you off the hook.

You need to die this round.

 

[Liquid_Evil]

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And why couldn't you identify Zhao's body today? Or did I miss something here?

You missed something here.

As for what I discovered after looking over the latest body, it’s clear (and odd) that Zhao was a Bitterroot Mason. Zhao’s role surprised me a bit (I was expecting something more sinister), but his death ID is actually a stroke of luck on my part. His Masonic partner(s) could actually come forward and clear me by confirming his role. I’m not asking them to come out of the woodwork just yet, but this might be something to think about in the future.

@ Thy’s Rant:

So you acknowledge how careless and mafia-like vorstel is, but then say that I am the bigger threat? A bigger threat than the guy who you believe is lying? So I guess the only logical explanation is that I’m the most wildly unconventional Mafioso in the history of the game? Yeah, that probably makes the most sense.

I can see it as well as everyone else. I’m an easy vote and will continue to be as long as the mafia let me live. But your vote against me is weak to say the least. It sounds more likely that you’re just trying to rescue a friend from the gallows. To sit there and say someone doesn’t look right (in this case, vors) and then vote elsewhere doesn't make sense to me.

You’re either playing right into the mafia’s hands or have another agenda. Since you know me from all the previous games we’ve played together (none), then you should know that I hate hidden agendas.

 

[Thyiad1]

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If you don't like hidden agenda's then post yours.

Because I don't believe the drivel you're spouting Liq.

So vorsty's a liar. Big deal. If the mafia believe him, he'll die soon enough. Why he fake revealed? Don't know, don't care. But your smoke screen doesn't work on me. I'm convinced that note was an obvious scent-thrower.

We almost had you yesterday. I'm hoping we'll get you today.

 

[SiTro]

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Need to vote:

Vote: Liquid_Evil

Can't back this up with reasoning just yet, need to sleep. Will try and find some free time tomorrow.

 

[Liquid_Evil]

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So vorsty's a liar. Big deal.

I think it's a very big deal. There is absolutely NO reason for a pro-town role to lie like that.

If the mafia believe him, he'll die soon enough.

Why would the mafia believe him if no one else does?

An obvious, obvious lie should be dealt with immediately.

 

[Orphan]

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vote: Liquid_Evil

I voted for you last round mostly based on what I had read at the time. Your posts since then has actually made me more suspicious, specifically your comments on Zhao's role.

 

[IntelligentX]

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Can't imagine stuff is going so fast in this mafia game...

Can't be bothered to read all entries, I think I will believe Orphan's analytic skills.

Vote: Liquid_Evil

 

[Soylentred]

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I've said it before, I will say it again.

Vote Liquid_evil

 

[Liquid_Evil]

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Can't imagine stuff is going so fast in this mafia game...

Can't be bothered to read all entries, I think I will believe Orphan's analytic skills.

Well, that's a very poor way to vote.

Whatever though. I've said all I can say. It's 7 hours into the first day and just 1 more vote will lock my lynch so I'd like you guys to take a breather in case one of Zhao's comrades actually decides to come forward and save me with a role verification.