OT: Mafia game

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That was quite an ending for yesterday. Sadly, the players are killing themselves quicker than the mafia can. But turning our attention to today’s events and only one killing (both groups targeted the same player because 2 different party notes = 2 mafia groups at Zhao's house), do these notes look forced to anyone but me? I’d say they were only meant for wasting the town’s time, but this one struck a nerve with me.

"Fluid is my nature
And Heinous are my crimes
I live to kill and kill to live
Already death has struck
Seven lucky times…
-Murder, Inc."

@ BobTheWarrior- Still look like a note in Crowd Control’s style?

I think that’s an obvious mention to me in that note. “Fluid†is too stupidly obvious a hint at my own online moniker, Liquid, and doesn’t even really make sense in the way it’s being used. (Not to mention it has changed from omniscient to a clear solo writer with words like “myâ€. Not that that really means anything though)

I was almost lynched yesterday, now Zhao is dead (like I had hoped for), and I have a note with my name alluded to in it. Does anyone else smell an obvious setup? By *both* mafia groups! With so many roles having been killed and NK’ed so far, it’s going to be harder to spot a fake cop claim. The power of my role in a partial reveal game comes from ID’ing the dead guys to shoot down false-claims when they arise.

As for what I discovered after looking over the latest body, it’s clear (and odd) that Zhao was a Bitterroot Mason. Zhao’s role surprised me a bit (I was expecting something more sinister), but his death ID is actually a stroke of luck on my part. His Masonic partner(s) could actually come forward and clear me by confirming his role. I’m not asking them to come out of the woodwork just yet, but this might be something to think about in the future.

But speaking of doing a little critical thinking, let’s take a look at vorstelman. He left us with a pretty unbelievable claim a mere 3 minutes before the day ended.
vorstelman said:
i know for sure that liquid is a liar, now this might be a bit dangerous but i just want to put this out to you guys, I had been assigned the role of the ''cop'' and i investigated the role of gorny the first night and found out he was in fact a ''mafia''

Let me just say this again for the record. You are lying. Gorny *was* a plain townie. I’d stake my life on that fact. (and could screenshot Aman’s PM if that didn’t break some rules) Would you bet your cop blood similarly? If you were strung up today, that’s the story you’re sticking too? That you are a cop that came forward on the first day? Hopefully there isn’t anyone in this game stupid enough to believe that. You’d go down in history as the worst cop ever. And since you are alive today, that means that both mafia groups didn’t buy your false-claim, or worse, that you are part of them. (And I see no reason to false-claim if you’re on the town’s side) Drop the act and give us the real scoop. What were you trying to accomplish by lying?

However, to entertain your false-claim, if you are indeed the cop (which you 100% are not), who did you investigate last night and why?

You can keep my vote until you convince me of a good reason to pull a stunt like that (i.e. indefinitely)

Vote: vorstelman

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@ Aman- One more quick question, but since it’s part of my abilities, do I get to examine the bodies and look at the roles of Hey, Diilegend, and kertin$? It would actually make sense from a role-playing standpoint…
 
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Just for a quick reply already, are you under one hat with Bob or something? Needing him for confirmation concerning me about....what? I've never posted any hints if that's what you mean.

Saying there's 2 Mafia teams hitting the same person is a rather quick conclusion. There's already 8 people dead iirc. It's very well possible one team is eliminated already. Also having that monsterpost ready so fast seems a bit suspicious too. I still have to figure out your claims against Vorstelmans concerning you both implying the other lied.

Liquid, you SHOULD have died, since you probably revealed too much information for either of the Mafia teams. My guess is there's one team left with you in it. That's the only reason I see now why you could've survived the night.
 
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I think Vorstelman not dying in the night says something about his alliance. He claimed that he was the cop. Wouldn't the mafia cue in on that claim and try to kill him? The cop is the mafia's biggest opponent, since he or she can reveal who is mafia or not. The fact that he's still alive speaks volumes, at least to me, about his possible role.

Unless something else comes up, I have to Vote: vorstelman
 
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Just for a quick reply already, are you under one hat with Bob or something? Needing him for confirmation concerning me about....what? I've never posted any hints if that's what you mean.

You must've missed the posts where I voted for you based on the first note, and said later that I still suspect that you wrote the note.

Crowd Control said:
Saying there's 2 Mafia teams hitting the same person is a rather quick conclusion. There's already 8 people dead iirc. It's very well possible one team is eliminated already. Also having that monsterpost ready so fast seems a bit suspicious too. I still have to figure out your claims against Vorstelmans concerning you both implying the other lied.

Liquid having a monster ready first thing in the day is not unusual, he re-reads the thread in the 'overnight' period and is ready with his analysis in the morning. I agree it's possible one team is eliminated already with the 3 mod kills. But, then why are there two notes?

Crowd Control said:
Liquid, you SHOULD have died, since you probably revealed too much information for either of the Mafia teams. My guess is there's one team left with you in it. That's the only reason I see now why you could've survived the night.

I have a theory on why he survived. We've seen it before in past mafia games. There are two mafia groups here. They both thought Liquid was a sure thing death, so neither voted for him. Instead, they went after other targets.

Why Zhao? I'm at a loss as to why the mafia would kill him. He was stirring the pot, was steadfast against another townie, and would likely have persued him today had he not died last night. Why kill him?

@Liquid - still pondering whether the new notes were written by Crowd Control or not. I need to look over the players list again and see if anything resonates.


 
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On Vorstelmen - is it possible there is a Village Idiot this game? If so, would that not be the perfect thing for the VI to do to get lynched?

I'd like to see his response before I officially vote for him.

Don't take this post as being in his defence. Liquid has provided way too much valueable and plausible information for me to believe Vorstelman over Liquid.

Oh, and I doubt you'll get a look at the bodies. The mafia never had a chance to see their roles, so why should the town? (assuming mafia gets roles revealed to them as the kill).
 
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Why Zhao? I'm at a loss as to why the mafia would kill him. He was stirring the pot, was steadfast against another apparent townie...

Bolded word mine. Though I have to say, if I was in Liq's position and mafia, I wouldn't have targetted Zhao. And it appears both groups did. However, Zhao himself predicted he would die:

Liquid is false claiming. He's going to kill me tonight and say he investigated me and found out I was mafia. I can't believe you people are buying into it, given his suspicious behaviour today.

Oh well, I guess I die on Night 2. Don't worry, I'm used to dying early.

Saying there's 2 Mafia teams hitting the same person is a rather quick conclusion. There's already 8 people dead iirc. It's very well possible one team is eliminated already.

...

My guess is there's one team left with you in it. That's the only reason I see now why you could've survived the night.

I like your optimism. :thumbsup: I might run some numbers later to get an exact idea of these chances.

End of yesterday - Liq summed up my thoughts on vorstelman's claim fairly concisely with this post:

^ Liar x 10 .

The cop would NOT come forward this early.

Also, I don't see what the mafias gain by targetting zhao over vorstelman. Sure, they lessen the chance that they hit the same target but they also lessen the chance that the cop will be killed. And both go after the same alternative target? Strange. All I know is that from a mafia viewpoint I'd rather ensure the cop died and be able to relax easier at night without being detected by the cop.

I'm wondering over the new notes as well. This appears to be the first note from the second group which makes me wonder if its a copycat move or if there was meant to be one in the bomb yesterday but was blown to smithereens. I also wonder if the one signed Murder, Inc. was left by the same group that left yesterday's note?



 
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Also I would like Bob to point out why I'm connected to (the) riddles. I do not recall this as my playstyle.
 
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Ok Let me get this straight…

IF there are 2 mafia factions can they actually target the same player at the same time?

Wouldn’t the first hit man get his kill and the second attempt show up and find a dead body? There has to be some sort of time-stamp on hits?

Then couldn’t the “Johnny come lately†hit man go off and whack someone else? I mean the night does last 24 hrs…
 
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Well that turned out as I predicted. The first note referring to Zhao was not to incriminate him but as I said- it inferred he was the same as Gorny - a townie and as a townie the next victim of the mafia.
By people taking their lynch vote off of Zhao at lease we did not do the mafia's work for them.
Two notes this time. One written in what looked like blood - whose blood? or fake blood ? The second mafia group carried fake blood to Zhao's death and were prepared to leave a note because they were too late? Real blood ? meaning the two mafia groups fought at the scene and someone was injured and someone decided to write a note in that blood?
Two unlikely scenarios.
Perhaps the note in blood was there first. Perhaps this note was amusing to Zhao to such an extent that he laughed himself to death over it.

Zhao predicted his own death and told us who to accuse when he died. Perhaps being faced with his assassin and being so correct was enough to make him laugh bitterly unto his end.
 
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Zhao predicted his own death and told us who to accuse when he died. Perhaps being faced with his assassin and being so correct was enough to make him laugh bitterly unto his end.

There is no way that aman is that sloppy of a host. To give clues in the death stories goes against everything an impartial, neutral host is supposed to be. Death stories are just that...stories. Your post about the blood is some severe over-analysis. Go that in depth on some of the posts we've seen (rather than the host) and we might catch a mafia today.

Speaking of our gracious host, Aman, can you please address my question from earlier?



 
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I'm not happy ZY is dead. He's many things but a good Mafia player is one. He's analytical and dangerous so to me, that says he was on the right track.

I don't believe the note is a double set up. That presumes the two groups would be working together. I can't see that happening.

This looks like a really obvious vote to me.

Vote: Liquid_Evil
 
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I couldn't possibly think of a way how 2 mafia groups would interact with eachother with the (lack of) knowledge we currently have.
 
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ofcourse for me there was only 1 obvious person to investigate this night. I thought i would get killed this night but somehow they wen't for Zhao. Without thinking a second about it i investigated Liquid. To bad for him i didn't find out he was a ''coroner'' instead i found out he is part of the mafia group murder inc.

Im not realy sure why they wanted zhao dead, but the only reason for not killing me would be that there is a very high chance that i will get lynched because i revealed i was a cop yet no mafia tries to kill me in the night.

so once again my vote goes to *drums*

Vote: Liquid_Evil
 
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after rereading some posts this also seems a viable reasoning for me not being killed though

I have a theory on why he survived. We've seen it before in past mafia games. There are two mafia groups here. They both thought Liquid was a sure thing death, so neither voted for him. Instead, they went after other targets.
 
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That sounded like pure bullcrap to me. Liquid is not off my suspect list, but I certainly don't believe him being Mafia because you said so.
 
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if there was anything i can do to prove it i would, however theres not much more to add for me now. Though im sure there is enough to tell when liquid responds.
 
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Well yeah that figures. It's your word against his. Either one of you is lying.....or maybe even both of you. That opens a new door I guess, gotta think this one through thoroughly.
 
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Riddle me this, vorstelman... You claimed that Gorny was a member of the mafia, yet never said what the name of the mafia group was. Now today, you tell us that Liquid is a member of Murder Inc.

It's pretty convenient that you just happened to leave out the name of Gorny's group, and happened to remember the name of the only certain mafia group we've seen when claiming Liquid was mafia.

Whats up with that?
 
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The first night when i investigated Gorny i only got a PM back with gorny is mafia and not what group he was part of, im thinking aman didn't want to reveal there were multiple groups.
 
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Can we ask Aman for an honest reply on this? Or that too much to ask for? His answer could immediatly incriminate or confirm Vorsts innocence.
 
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