At the time it seemed obvious to me, and as I said earlier, I don't have the best memory ever.
OT: Mafia game
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At the time it seemed obvious to me, and as I said earlier, I don't have the best memory ever.
Liquid_Evil
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The more you post, the less believable that story seems to me.
unvote: Zhao
vote: Hey
unvote: Zhao
vote: Hey
Both? First time on the net, played it quite a bit irl. Not sure on exact number though.
Taken from a quick google search:
Most Murder, Inc., murders were unsolved. Very often the killers, and sometimes even their victims, were strangers to the city where the murder took place, making them difficult to trace. Police would concentrate on local suspects when the killers were already en route to their hometowns. Targets included informants (including civilian informants) or gang members who had embezzled mob money, but gang members, particularly Reles, were known for casual murder as well.
Following this logic, Gorny's murderer would be someone from not "around" the community forum.
So unless I can be persuaded otherwise...
Vote:Liquid_Evil
Most Murder, Inc., murders were unsolved. Very often the killers, and sometimes even their victims, were strangers to the city where the murder took place, making them difficult to trace. Police would concentrate on local suspects when the killers were already en route to their hometowns. Targets included informants (including civilian informants) or gang members who had embezzled mob money, but gang members, particularly Reles, were known for casual murder as well.
Following this logic, Gorny's murderer would be someone from not "around" the community forum.
So unless I can be persuaded otherwise...
Vote:Liquid_Evil
Liquid_Evil
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What logic? Let me try and understand this. You're saying that:Nolecub said:
1. Gorny was killed by someone not from the community forum.
2. I'm the only one that's not from the community forum.
Therefore, I had to be the one to kill him.
Is that about the gist of it?
Where do I begin? Well for starters, premise 1 is a huge stretch as Gorny could have been killed for a variety of reasons. To speculate so much so that you can infer without a doubt why he was killed just gives me more fodder for my previous thoughts against you. Once again, You know more than you should be able too if you are just a plain townie. And even if that's the most logical response (and it isn't), all you have to do is use reverse psychology to say that someone killed him to make it look like it wasn't someone from the community forum. (which would probably be more true since the mafia is supposed to be a step ahead of the town). Premise 2 is obviously false as there's several SP'ers and go-betweens playing. Therefore, that conclusion is total pig wallow and I think it's painfully obvious that you are reaching.
Nolecub has disguised a purely retaliatory vote (for me twice naming him an earlier suspect which he has yet to address) as something thoughtful. The only problem with the thoughts is that they are filled with more speculative trash than I can shake a stick at.
False premises? Wiki links to "informants"? Please. You're trying to make things fit and blend in, sidestepping my earlier accusations by trying to bandwagon. Just address the points I made against you from my previous posts and explain your wording instead of coming out of the woodwork to try and rattle my cage.
My read on you just went from bad to worse.
Actually, your read is totally wrong. I was only attempting to use logic to explain 3 deaths in one night, not any "non-townie" knowledge.
"Premise 2 is obviously false as there's several SP'ers and go-betweens playing."
But you were the only one that pointed out that you were not familair with some in the community forum. (And based on your accusations, me in particular.) So allow me to introduce myself.....Hi, I'm Nolecub Townie 4 Life
"Premise 2 is obviously false as there's several SP'ers and go-betweens playing."
But you were the only one that pointed out that you were not familair with some in the community forum. (And based on your accusations, me in particular.) So allow me to introduce myself.....Hi, I'm Nolecub Townie 4 Life
My last post was #50. As I write this, we've reached #91. Seems I have some writing to do.
Apologies. Your noticing the 'hidden' message within the note is absolutely superb, but I hadn't seen it myself. Never thought to look for anything steganogramic at all.
That's no excuse for voting with no or false reasoning.
Regardless of what image you wanted to convey by using those adjectives, you would agree that Zhao normally writes a lot, which is more useful to the town than nothing at all? It's each persons duty to work out which information is useful and which is pointless or even a downright lie, not one person's.
I didn't expect such a reaction to that early vote either. I was thinking more along the lines of sparking a debate over how I could be sure so early and why I wasn't explaining anything as to why I vote that way. The fact that so many voted alongside me means I either drew in most (all?) of the mafia with me or that this town is happy to blindly follow someone else's votes. The former I find unlikely due to how I'd expect a mafia team to play. Which leaves me to conclude the second which is only just short of terrifying in terms of prospects.
Then again, you voted for Zhao with what I still consider weak reasons.
Hey! I thought I was the monster post factory!
(Others are emerging, true)
I checked up the thread, and at this point only Zhao had voted for Liquid_Evil. So I'm interpreting this as saying that IntelligentX voted for Zhao because he was following the crowd of other voters voting for Zhao. I'll stop here before analogies can be drawn between myself and broken record players.
One thing to bear in mind is that the last time an event like this happened, there was a group of people who expressed concerns that it actually two townies arguing between each other, which was allowing the mafia players to remain in the shadows easier. This is the start of the game, so the chance of that is probably higher than it was then.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
Not too bad a response at this point, but if you start getting more votes I'd advise making more of an effort to defend yourself. I'd imagine you would as a mafioso anyway, but if you stand by and let the town lynch you when you know you're a townie then you're letting us waste a valuable chance to catch a bad guy.
I think everyone's posted now, but there are a few who have made posts a line or two long and not containing much information. Now that there's more data to go with, perhaps a vote would help to purchase some opinions from them?
Vote: kertin$
Interesting. Taken from one of the opening paragraphs of this wiki page it seems.
I'm still not convinced that the note couldn't have been left by someone acting alone and claiming to be more than an individual. There's nothing to say it's not a group of people working together, either.
I think it's more likely that faction decided to give themselves a name referring to that historical fact and most other coincidences that can be seen between them and then are just that. Coincidences.
*Shudders*
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
Believe me yet?
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
...
That's all, folks!
Apologies. Your noticing the 'hidden' message within the note is absolutely superb, but I hadn't seen it myself. Never thought to look for anything steganogramic at all.
That's no excuse for voting with no or false reasoning.
Regardless of what image you wanted to convey by using those adjectives, you would agree that Zhao normally writes a lot, which is more useful to the town than nothing at all? It's each persons duty to work out which information is useful and which is pointless or even a downright lie, not one person's.
I didn't expect such a reaction to that early vote either. I was thinking more along the lines of sparking a debate over how I could be sure so early and why I wasn't explaining anything as to why I vote that way. The fact that so many voted alongside me means I either drew in most (all?) of the mafia with me or that this town is happy to blindly follow someone else's votes. The former I find unlikely due to how I'd expect a mafia team to play. Which leaves me to conclude the second which is only just short of terrifying in terms of prospects.
Then again, you voted for Zhao with what I still consider weak reasons.
Hey! I thought I was the monster post factory!
(Others are emerging, true)
I checked up the thread, and at this point only Zhao had voted for Liquid_Evil. So I'm interpreting this as saying that IntelligentX voted for Zhao because he was following the crowd of other voters voting for Zhao. I'll stop here before analogies can be drawn between myself and broken record players.
One thing to bear in mind is that the last time an event like this happened, there was a group of people who expressed concerns that it actually two townies arguing between each other, which was allowing the mafia players to remain in the shadows easier. This is the start of the game, so the chance of that is probably higher than it was then.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
Not too bad a response at this point, but if you start getting more votes I'd advise making more of an effort to defend yourself. I'd imagine you would as a mafioso anyway, but if you stand by and let the town lynch you when you know you're a townie then you're letting us waste a valuable chance to catch a bad guy.
I think everyone's posted now, but there are a few who have made posts a line or two long and not containing much information. Now that there's more data to go with, perhaps a vote would help to purchase some opinions from them?
Vote: kertin$
Interesting. Taken from one of the opening paragraphs of this wiki page it seems.
I'm still not convinced that the note couldn't have been left by someone acting alone and claiming to be more than an individual. There's nothing to say it's not a group of people working together, either.
I think it's more likely that faction decided to give themselves a name referring to that historical fact and most other coincidences that can be seen between them and then are just that. Coincidences.
Hi, I'm Nolecub Townie 4 Life
*Shudders*
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
Believe me yet?
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
I'm a townie.
...
That's all, folks!
...Not quite. Just remembered I was thinking about quoting Hey's posts together in a separate section to analyse them together. I think everything I wanted to say has been said though. The original vote was extremely suspicious, and an excuse of not being able to remember why it was made only four hours afterwards doesn't seem to gel quite right with me either. But this has been said before.
Re: OT: Mafia game
I don’t have a problem with random votes to generate conversation, but I do have a problem with people contributing to a quick lynch in a suspicious manner.
When Sitro pointed out your bandwagon vote on me, all you did was ask who had the highest number of votes. Then when I called you out on it, you said it was a random vote to follow the crowd.
So you were not aware of the number of votes on me and you voted me with no reason just following everyone else. I don’t know if this is from laziness or negligence, but I shudder that you could have laid the hammer vote with not much attention.
I’m very suspicious of you right now because your responses are not satisfactory at all. It can either be from being not familiar with the forum version of the game or you are actually panicking since people are pressuring you.
You’ll find out that people will vote you if they think you are mafia or an unhelpful townie. You better start caring or you’ll be lynched faster than you can blink.
IntelligentX said:
I don’t have a problem with random votes to generate conversation, but I do have a problem with people contributing to a quick lynch in a suspicious manner.
When Sitro pointed out your bandwagon vote on me, all you did was ask who had the highest number of votes. Then when I called you out on it, you said it was a random vote to follow the crowd.
So you were not aware of the number of votes on me and you voted me with no reason just following everyone else. I don’t know if this is from laziness or negligence, but I shudder that you could have laid the hammer vote with not much attention.
Hey said:
I’m very suspicious of you right now because your responses are not satisfactory at all. It can either be from being not familiar with the forum version of the game or you are actually panicking since people are pressuring you.
You’ll find out that people will vote you if they think you are mafia or an unhelpful townie. You better start caring or you’ll be lynched faster than you can blink.
Re: Mod vs Mod?
That assumes she has a "hunch", which to me just appears to be very random.
I finally caught up in the reading, and I have a few thoughts.
Ray's catch on the codeword was impressive. I didn't think think to look at the messages that way. Initially this made me think he might be a townie, but once I start to read that a few other people didn't notice the codeword either then I can't help but wonder whether the only person that noticed it was the one that created it. Of course, it'd be a risky maneuver to bring that code to the surface if no-one else recognized it, so I still have my doubts that he could be Mafia.
Hey's voting and unvoting also strikes me as a little quick. That said, I'm not entirely sure what the motive could have been. The only thing I can think of is a quick launch to get someone out, but once that didn't appear to be working he backed off.
The whole session between Zhao and Liquid also makes me a little uneasy. The initial posts does make me feel that Liquid is "gunning" for Zhao a little, which only reminds me of the message left with Gorny. Still, I don't frequent the SP forum much, and it sounds like it's consistent with the other mafia games, which means that someone other than Liquid could be playing up on that with the message, possibly to to draw attention to him. This someone doesn't exclude Zhao either.
Finally, Soylentred mentioned:
Couldn't Gorny have been an SK? Can't Zhao be the SK? This makes me think that Soylentred is more attune to what the Mafia are thinking then others.
I'm going to read over the thread again but I'll probably cast a vote in the next couple of hours.
That assumes she has a "hunch", which to me just appears to be very random.
I finally caught up in the reading, and I have a few thoughts.
Ray's catch on the codeword was impressive. I didn't think think to look at the messages that way. Initially this made me think he might be a townie, but once I start to read that a few other people didn't notice the codeword either then I can't help but wonder whether the only person that noticed it was the one that created it. Of course, it'd be a risky maneuver to bring that code to the surface if no-one else recognized it, so I still have my doubts that he could be Mafia.
Hey's voting and unvoting also strikes me as a little quick. That said, I'm not entirely sure what the motive could have been. The only thing I can think of is a quick launch to get someone out, but once that didn't appear to be working he backed off.
The whole session between Zhao and Liquid also makes me a little uneasy. The initial posts does make me feel that Liquid is "gunning" for Zhao a little, which only reminds me of the message left with Gorny. Still, I don't frequent the SP forum much, and it sounds like it's consistent with the other mafia games, which means that someone other than Liquid could be playing up on that with the message, possibly to to draw attention to him. This someone doesn't exclude Zhao either.
Finally, Soylentred mentioned:
Soylentred said:
Couldn't Gorny have been an SK? Can't Zhao be the SK? This makes me think that Soylentred is more attune to what the Mafia are thinking then others.
I'm going to read over the thread again but I'll probably cast a vote in the next couple of hours.
Re: OT: Mafia game
I have never played the forum version before, so that's probably part of it, and also, I'm only playing this game for fun, the Pal part is just an added bonus. As to the second part, I'm not panicking, I generally only give the bare minimum.
I have never played the forum version before, so that's probably part of it, and also, I'm only playing this game for fun, the Pal part is just an added bonus. As to the second part, I'm not panicking, I generally only give the bare minimum.
Ray Patean
New member
Re: OT: Mafia game
Which has typically been a classic tactic of the mafia in previous games...
Which has typically been a classic tactic of the mafia in previous games...
Soylentred
New member
Re: Mod vs Mod?
Ha ! me attuned to mafia thinking - that is funny. My closest experience with mafia thinking is Corleone or Soprano only - purely spectator.
Gorny SK - unless the rules have changed or are theoretical I do believe the serial killer would not strike on the first night.
Uneasy yes -
Does anyone else think that little Zhao and Liquid tiff was a charade? Look at me I'm a townie I'm going to lead the group to jesus and we are going to wipe out that mafia guy. Two mafia would do that - two townies would not. It just did not ring true.
Ha ! me attuned to mafia thinking - that is funny. My closest experience with mafia thinking is Corleone or Soprano only - purely spectator.
Gorny SK - unless the rules have changed or are theoretical I do believe the serial killer would not strike on the first night.
Uneasy yes -
Does anyone else think that little Zhao and Liquid tiff was a charade? Look at me I'm a townie I'm going to lead the group to jesus and we are going to wipe out that mafia guy. Two mafia would do that - two townies would not. It just did not ring true.
